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  How did that fuck anyone over? They received it for the platform they purchased it for. The games that ar... : OverloadUT
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    Entitled Mac Gamers. : Haxim
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    • Fucking Mac gamers, going into the future to grab the steam client (but not far enough to realize the off... : walker270
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    • I'm pretty sure you can remove that middle word and it all still works. : Fayk
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• I don't think they screwed anyone over, but the whole steamplay branding stuff is just really unclear. Wh... : Fayk
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  I don't see how that's screwing anyone. It says, these games are cross-platform REGARDLESS of when you bo... : mancide
  • You could probably make an argument that they're screwing over blind and/or illiterate people : veras
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  Clearly if you buy BF:Bad Company 2 on the X360 you should be able to play it for free on the PS3 as well... : warcrow
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    you raise a very good point. : everybodysuncle
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      clearly its a brilliant point because its not like its the same hardware, oh wait.... having to buy games... : Hoax
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        despite it being the same hardware, the interfaces to that hardware are very different. porting softwa... : everybodysuncle
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          the port has already been done long ago, the game has been out since 2005. it would be different for a ne... : Hoax
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            Can you purchase a PC version of any of these games and get a mac version as well? If yes, then I agre... : everybodysuncle
            • that's a fair point, i'm not blaming valve in that case, then i'd be blaming 2k or firaxis (in the contex... : Hoax
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    Except that Microsoft nor Sony advertised that as a feature while Valve has. First they say that every ga... : Serpico74
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      yep the analogy stinks because its not the same hardware as in the mac case, its not the same distributio... : Hoax
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        I think you don't fully understand the situation. It's just that if you buy the game NOW, you get it f... : Fayk
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          yeah i got that maybe it was not clear what i was saying. most of the other games were retroactive (li... : Hoax
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            Which other games aren't retroactive? It seems like Civ4 is the only one, but I could be missing somethin... : Serpico74
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              i didn't refer to any other games. the "most" was an approximation to make my point that the civ4 case of... : Hoax
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                I was asking a real question, not continuing the discussion. I really want to know if this Civ4 thing app... : Serpico74
                • Thus far, only two of the fifty-plus offerings--Civilization IV: The Complete Edition and Fairway Solitai... : Hoax
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            Ha, I also misunderstood your post. YAY ME! : Fayk
            • yeah i just read through the trainwrecks that were my last few posts and i don't blame you. i think the c... : Hoax
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• Seems like this weekend is a good time to run another special.. : walker270
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  Lazy here, but is Civ IV *now* available for Steam Play? : Masem
  • Yes : OverloadUT
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  If you buy a game on 360 do you expect to get it for free on PS3? : Beaginator
  • Yes, because I stole it : rosewood
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    Actually, yes. It's one of the reasons consoles are idiotic: you are buying a "license" to play the game,... : kabex
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      yea, but anyone playing on a DC vs someone playing on the PC quickly learned that they were going to be d... : dedgecko
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        Not the point. Think of how cool it would be to play MW2 pc vs ps3 vs 360, all your friends no prob. : kabex
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          • It doesn't work with fpses, mouse + keyboard destroys gamepad. : daVinci1980
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      I am surprised that there is no way to connect cross platform in a game with all this wonderful modern te... : ghost hacker
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        There is but the companies like ass-raping their idiotic customers more than making practical shit like t... : kabex
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          You say this like it's exclusive to games. Capitalism and locked hardware will always be the way of life ... : Godhatesfatpeople
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            Or you can be a smart customer and not buy their shit. : kabex
            • Well we hit a vicious circle here. But yeah you're correct in that regard. But we both know that won't ha... : Godhatesfatpeople
      • It's possible and has been done before (see: Shadowrun) but the cost benefits of doing so (more sales) we... : Schnapple
    • PSN and XBL make communication between platforms more or less impossible unless you can get Sony and MS t... : mikecyb
• Anyone whining about this is an idiot :( : aggressor
• I bought it last week and I don't have a MAC? DO I HAVE AIDS NOW? : Old8Leg
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• What. : Godhatesfatpeople
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  I rarely post this, but I'm going to post it now. 0wned!!! : CrustaR
  • oh totally. : CoRDS
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  valve said, from the start, that it would be up to other developers to make the choice of allowing a game... : harold.johnson
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    People assumed that Steam Play worked retroactively for all games. The announcement with Civ4 is the firs... : Serpico74
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      People should stop assuming. : Godhatesfatpeople
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        "If you own a Steam Play game on WIndows it will also work on your Mac!" Dang, I guess people shouldn'... : Serpico74
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          Did people really believe every game was going to magically unlock on Steam for Mac? This is what I don't... : Godhatesfatpeople
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            I'd understand people thinking this for Valve games since Valve said they wouldn't need to re-purchase th... : Godhatesfatpeople
            • That is what the Steam Play logo is for. That tells you which games from other publishers that the single... : Serpico74
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            Yes, that is exactly what people were expecting out of games with the Steam Play logo next to it. Valv... : Serpico74
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              Then that should have been cause for suspicion with Mac gamers. Because that sounds way too good to be tr... : Godhatesfatpeople
              • For the most part is isn't too good to be true. Civ 4 is only one out of almost two dozen games I have in... : Serpico74
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                It has the logo next to it. Valve defined what the logo meant. They or the developers of CIV4 put the ... : Fayk
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                  Support devs and buy again! : Godhatesfatpeople
                  • I already own CIV4 and its expansions twice (at least) :( : Fayk
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                    No backpedaling! You normally make good posts but you were a dumbass here. Goddamn you for wasting our ti... : Serpico74
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                      Should have bought a PC. : Godhatesfatpeople
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                        I own a PC. It may be faster than yours. : Serpico74
                        • Shit just got real. : Fayk
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                          So use it to play games. : Godhatesfatpeople
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                            That's all I use my PC for. : Serpico74
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                              So the Civ issue is corrected? :P : Godhatesfatpeople
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                                I nuked the Windows partition on my MBP last week. Its irrelevant in any case, Valve needs to get their s... : Serpico74
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                                  BAM, AND NOW ITS IN MY LIST, SUCK IT ;) : Serpico74
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                                    YEAH WE SHOULD COMPLAIN MORE OFTEN AND GET FREE STUFF :D I wonder if that was always the intent, or if... : Fayk
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                                      Someone screwed up, growing pains, no big deal. I'm sure the whole Aspyr thing threw a complication into ... : Serpico74
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                                        Oh, I'm not unhappy (especially since it resolved in a way that is very nice to the user base), my capita... : Fayk
                                        • Either have two tiers of Steam Play so there is no confusion, or everything under Steam Play works retroa... : Serpico74
                • Steam Play Silver and Gold, perfect! Yeah, something to segment Steam Play is needed if this is how some ... : Serpico74
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      Well that fixed that right up, didn't it? : MercFox1
      • Sure did! : Serpico74
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      The real question is whether this may 12th cutoff is the only time we'll see this: i.e, if a game show... : Fayk
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        Yup. It is super unclear right now. They just need to be up front going forward, even though the overwhel... : Serpico74
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          They should institute a fee you can pay to get the Mac version as well. I get that Aspyr needs to be paid... : Schnapple
          • I didn't know Aspyr did the port. It makes total sense that they get paid for their work. Again, my only ... : Serpico74
        • I'm totally cool with (PRE-MAC-STEAM) games not being retroactive. I just don't want to be back to "okay ... : Fayk
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  if you bought it for PC why would you need the mac version? : headbone
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    Because you switched from PC to Mac? : Mysig
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      grats, now buy it again. : jonin
      • ...thus begins the cycle of "but steam play!" : Fayk
  • someone might have different platforms at work/home, or other reasons, it's not so far fetched : ErneX
  • i bought it to play on my computer, which is a mac, with bootcamp. i would like to get rid of windows on ... : CoRDS
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  You're all missing the bigger point - if you've got it for PC, you CAN'T buy it for Mac. Though not ideal... : node
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    Yeah, that's just a bug and we know it'll be fixed, though. : Fayk
    • Not so bad then. I don't see why, if they can fix this, giving it to previous buyers is that much more of... : node
  • Oh, that's a big mistake. : Serpico74
  • I'm pretty sure Valve is working on fixing this. : MercFox1
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  Is that why Altitude doesn't show up as a game I own on the Mac? : rudds
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    It has a Mac port, but not on steam. For some reason. (See: Penumbra) : Fayk
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      I'm pretty sure Altitude was in some Steam press release for upcoming OS X games on the service. They're ... : Serpico74
      • Oh, that's cool. I assumed that the whole weekly release thing was just for the valve source-engine game ... : Fayk
• also team fortress 2 has vanished from my list of purchased games (im aware its not out yet for mac) but ... : CoRDS
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  Check your list of games in Steam, Civ 4 should be in there now, they just flipped the switch on it worki... : Serpico74
  • http://store.steampowered.com/news/3827/ : Fayk
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    Well, they sure took the STEAM out of this heated debate. : Goto10
    • Probably for the best, since the discussion wasn't very CIVil : Haxim