Watch the 3rd day of the Dota 2 International 5 Main Event here

The third day of the Dota 2 International 5 Main Event is about to commence, with one of the big storylines being whether Complexity and Team Secret can bounce back from their brutal losses to get any sort of momentum going. Be sure to watch along with us here at Shacknews and check out the official stream.

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It hasn't always been a smooth road, but nonetheless, the Main Event continues at the fifth annual Dota 2 International. Following some brutal losses, Complexity and Team Secret try to stay alive in the Lower Bracket, while Evil Geniuses, LGD Gaming, EHOME, and CDEC Gaming try to keep their momentum alive. This is one of the biggest eSports events of the year, with the first place team taking home $6,470,659. Here are the brackets going into today's proceedings, courtesy of the official Dota 2 International website.

Dota 2 lovers are welcome to join us here at Shacknews and watch the full stream below.

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For those that are not well-versed in all the intricacies of Dota 2, the always-helpful Newcomer's Stream is also making its return this year, just in time for the Main Event. That stream can be found here.

This is also one of the most anticipated events of the year for the Shacknews community. Watch along with us and don't forget to join the conversation with the rest of Chatty. (Don't be afraid. The community won't bite.)

Also, if you're looking to take your Dota 2 International excitement on the road, remember that many bars across the country are broadcasting today's matches. A full list of those locations can be found on the Dota 2 International website.

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From The Chatty
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    August 5, 2015 8:00 AM

    Ozzie Mejia posted a new article, Watch the 3rd day of the Dota 2 International 5 Main Event here

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      August 5, 2015 9:02 AM

      Wondering how coL will handle Virtus Pro.

      Also love the Secret fantheory that they intentionally lost so they wouldn't have to face EG before EG had to give up some strats since they so easily beat coL.

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        August 5, 2015 9:10 AM

        I don't think secret intentionally lost, the risk is too great. All though if it could be proven, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. They drafted and played super bad relative to their group stage performances.

        Still I think the losers bracket is too great of a risk to fool around like that. There are some serious contenders down there, and it would not surprise me in the least if the winner of the whole tournament came from the losers bracket.

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          August 5, 2015 9:12 AM

          Secret got out drafted, pure and simple.

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          August 5, 2015 9:23 AM

          Yeah, the lower bracket is no joke. iG had a bad tournament, but they've beaten Secret before.

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        August 5, 2015 10:11 AM

        The only potentially valid aspect of this theory is that perhaps they held back on a certain draft methodology or strategy until elimination was a risk. It's dumb to think they wanted to lose though. Everyone has been researching Secret for weaknesses (especially EHOME!) so from that point of view the result isn't a huge shock. The idea that any team at TI5 is invulnerable is silly.

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          August 5, 2015 10:46 AM

          I don't believe it, I just thought it was hilarious that the theory popped up within minutes of Secret losing the second game.

          Their drafting did seem very strange though, not sure if they were trying to throw EHOME off or what.

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            August 5, 2015 10:50 AM

            It was really uninspired drafting which seemed strange to me, which is why I think the more reasonable version of this theory could be true. But reddit trying to turn this into an anime power fantasy plot is pretty laughable. When a TI5 quality team has thoroughly researched you and has figured out some ways to throw you off your game, you can come off looking bad in a match when in reality we should just be impressed by EHOME instead.

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        August 5, 2015 10:51 AM

        Anyone who thinks they lost intentionally is delusional, no one would do that.

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        August 5, 2015 10:51 AM

        These fans would have to be so completely deluded to think they intentionally lost lmao. They are a set of really dedicated, skilled players who pretty much always try hard. Also, the stakes are too high to let yourself drop to the lower bracket, especially so early.

        I mean, I'm a huge Secret fanboy, but come onnnnnnnnnnnnnn.

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      August 5, 2015 9:21 AM

      It looks as though the DDoS attacks are already happening. ::sigh::

      Go SECRET! Whoo!

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        August 5, 2015 9:23 AM

        So annoying. What do they hope to achieve?

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        August 5, 2015 9:26 AM

        Why do you say that? It's not scheduled to start until 30 minutes from now.

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          August 5, 2015 9:28 AM

          I had the stream up in preparation, and a few minutes in, it said that it had lost connection with the Steam server, much as it did a bunch last night during the matches (the rest of the net was good, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't on my end).

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            August 5, 2015 9:28 AM

            Well, now it's offline.

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              August 5, 2015 9:30 AM

              The streams weren't hit by the ddos yesterday, that was a separate issue.

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          August 5, 2015 9:29 AM

          Yeah, I'm confused. The ddos was focused on Valve servers, not the streams anyway.

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      August 5, 2015 10:48 AM

      I hope Secret gets set home today.

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        August 5, 2015 10:51 AM

        I don't get how someone could dislike this team. I mean, I guess Arteezy isn't the most likable guy but the rest of the players are really cool and have brought a lot to Dota, including a refreshing approach to the game.

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          August 5, 2015 10:53 AM

          I think people just like to see the "top" team fall.

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            August 5, 2015 10:58 AM

            I guess so. I like upsets too but more for the dark horse team part of the story, not the great team falling part of the story.

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            August 5, 2015 11:01 AM

            Nah, there are 4 players in the scene that I really don't like (Envy, PPD, RTZ, Puppey) and as such I normally root against their teams.

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              August 5, 2015 11:03 AM

              I never watch streams outside of tournaments, so I wouldn't know.

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              August 5, 2015 11:03 AM

              Why Puppey? I can see the argument for the others, but I don't understand the Puppey hate.

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              August 5, 2015 11:04 AM

              I get all of those except for Puppey. What did he do? Probably the worst thing I can think of about him is that he got mad at twitch chat at TI4 EU-hub for being terrible people. And I'm on his side on that one.

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              August 5, 2015 11:07 AM

              I didn't really like RTZ much before I read that big long 'real talk' thing of him being more introspective, and I have more respect for him.

              Envy tries really hard I think and his biggest flaw is being impulsive with team stuff.

              PPD kinda plays a troll so I dislike that, but you also need to remember how much these guys all know eachother. He's also a great drafter.

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                August 5, 2015 12:00 PM

                It's basically a bunch of 18-20 year old friends shit talking each other. Nothing to get upset about really.

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                  August 5, 2015 1:26 PM

                  Yup, it's one of the reasons why I ended up liking RTZ. The banter between them is hilarious. Dota 2 needs it. It's too clean sometimes. It's why I love the FGC.

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          August 5, 2015 10:54 AM

          I don't like most of their players (S4 being the exception). Skilled for sure, but extremely arrogant and they seem like complete douche bags.

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            August 5, 2015 10:55 AM

            How can you say that about Puppey or Kuroky?

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              August 5, 2015 10:59 AM

              Neither are very likeable to me.

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              August 5, 2015 11:04 AM

              Puppey is the biggest douche of them all given the casts he did with Tobi. Not a nice word to say about anyone.

              KKY is a cool dude for sure though.

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                August 5, 2015 11:06 AM

                He's also known for berating amateur tournament admins for special treatment since they're Navi.

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                  August 5, 2015 11:11 AM

                  Source? I've never heard this.

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                    August 5, 2015 3:12 PM

                    Well, I can't find the nice screen grabs where puppey whines in skype chat about not being allowed a remake for picking PL (during the QB bug) until he gets a remake. I also can't find the tweets from EE (or RTZ?) calling him out for always whining to the admins about server choice.

                    It's all kind of lost in the discussion of him calling Merlini a lying faggot or his sexist rant toward Sheever at BTS.

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            August 5, 2015 11:48 AM

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              August 5, 2015 11:54 AM

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                August 5, 2015 1:32 PM

                His long rant about life and the universe when he was at the European Hub. It was hilarious because everyone was sitting there just listening to him. lol

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              August 5, 2015 12:10 PM

              Him and Zai are the most laid back players in the competitive scene. I can't remember either of them being disrespectful or salty.

              Every time Arteezy drops his twitch persona he seems like a pretty normal person too.

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            August 5, 2015 1:27 PM

            haha dude what are you talking about?

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      August 5, 2015 10:52 AM

      Hope complexity can win vs virtue pro. Liked the timbersaw they played in the last game, but the Sven carry got so shut down it wasn't even funny.

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        August 5, 2015 10:55 AM

        I suspect either one will get wrecked by the winner of Secret vs IG. Should be a fascinating match though!

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      August 5, 2015 11:17 AM

      Who is in charge of the audio for this? They keep fucking with so much of it.

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      August 5, 2015 11:26 AM

      Vp locked this game up at 12 minutes, COL should just gg next.

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        August 5, 2015 11:27 AM

        And it only gets worse

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          August 5, 2015 11:27 AM

          Why on earth would you second pick winter wyvern?

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            August 5, 2015 11:28 AM

            No idea. It doesn't directly counter any of VP's picks hard. It kind of synergizes with the bristle, but, I don't think there is an explanation. As clearly demonstrated in the fact that COL has lost this game before the 10 minute mark.

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            August 5, 2015 11:52 AM

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              August 5, 2015 11:53 AM

              WW and Clock have been a pretty good combo thus far.

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        August 5, 2015 11:36 AM

        Ok what is going on here, COL is on the way to one of the greatest comebacks I've seen

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        August 5, 2015 11:54 AM

        Note to all professional teams: I know I'm the player you all ascribe to be, but don't listen to me when I tell you to GG

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          August 5, 2015 11:56 AM

          You're doing it wrong. You are supposed to wait until the end of the game and if coL loses, you say "I told you so."

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            August 5, 2015 11:57 AM

            I still reserve that right, but I have to give props to col here even if they don't win.

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          August 5, 2015 11:56 AM

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            August 5, 2015 11:57 AM

            This 10k comeback was 10k AT TEN MINUTES though. That has to set some kind of record. 10k at 20 minutes would be a big deal. 10k at 10 minutes is insanity.

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        August 5, 2015 12:04 PM

        yeah, gg!

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        August 5, 2015 12:04 PM

        fucking lol

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          August 5, 2015 12:06 PM

          I'll remove the foot from my mouth to say Complexity just pulled off the biggest comeback I think I've seen in pro dota.

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            August 5, 2015 12:06 PM

            yeah, that was well played. well played indeed.

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            August 5, 2015 12:09 PM

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              August 5, 2015 12:10 PM

              I think 10k at 10 minutes is far more substantial than a 20k turn around mid game. That much of a lead that early is not comparable imo

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        August 5, 2015 12:13 PM

        How are you so wrong all the time?!

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          August 5, 2015 12:13 PM

          Come on everyone was thinking it. All the analysts said that VP had the game locked up at 10 minutes. Not just me.

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            August 5, 2015 12:15 PM

            Just giving you shit bro, also COL had a similar lead yesterday vs. EG and threw it. They were up ~10k at 10 minutes or so. Basically a reversal of that game against EG with Virtus pro taking the role of COL.

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              August 5, 2015 12:16 PM

              I don't recall that one being 10k at 10 minutes, but mostly because I don't want to be wrong again.

              Is there a place to look at the stats by game, I'm curious

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                August 5, 2015 12:18 PM

                Yeah, it wasn't exactly 10k but it was a similarly humongous lead.

                I'm not sure, also. I'm just going off memory from the panel/casters of that game yesterday.

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      August 5, 2015 12:04 PM

      That was some comeback

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      August 5, 2015 12:05 PM

      Wow. That was an amazing comeback.

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      August 5, 2015 12:06 PM

      NEVER GIVE UP

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        August 5, 2015 12:06 PM

        JUST DO IT. YESTERDAY YOU SAID TOMORROW!

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          August 5, 2015 12:58 PM

          As insane as that video was, I was super pumped after watching it. Gotta tip your cap at the least.

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      August 5, 2015 12:09 PM

      Pretty sure redeye is stealth pronouncing virtus throw instead of pro

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      August 5, 2015 12:14 PM

      I heard Complexity intentionally went to the lower bracket so they could save their anti-EG strats for the finals.

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      August 5, 2015 12:20 PM

      Sumail lives with eight of his family in an apartment and once had to sell his bike to play more Dota at a Pakistani game center. His team is about to make at least 1.1 million dollars.

      O_o

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        August 5, 2015 12:57 PM

        Yeah pretty crazy change in circumstance.

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        August 5, 2015 1:00 PM

        I wonder how much of the money they will actually see. I have to imagine they have to pay costs for the teams and travel and other such things unless those are explicitly already covered by sponsors. Otherwise, they will at least have taxes.

        Still it is a ton of money for these guys, not retirement level certainly, but a solid paycheck.

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          August 5, 2015 1:03 PM

          Good question, I'm sure it varies from team to team but I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown.

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          August 5, 2015 1:06 PM

          I think the standard cut is 10% for the organization, then the rest goes to the players (not counting taxes of course)

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            August 5, 2015 1:07 PM

            Isn't EG indirectly owned by amazon? I wonder if that changes the cut.

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              August 5, 2015 1:08 PM

              Yeah, because I think EG is owned by Twitch (who is now owned by Amazon)

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              August 5, 2015 1:08 PM

              I think so. EG is owned by gg and I think I remember hearing they were bought by amazon.

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                August 5, 2015 1:16 PM

                We're both right! It is a subsidiary of GoodGame Agency, which in turn is owned by Twitch. according to wikipedia

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      August 5, 2015 12:55 PM

      Of course he feels bad, he just got the shit ganked out of him in a crucial match.

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      August 5, 2015 1:13 PM

      VP coming back son

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        August 5, 2015 1:15 PM

        I would say came back at this point. Hard to say whose game it is now.

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          August 5, 2015 1:16 PM

          Well they closed the lead at least. So far they've shut down the AM well in those ganks. CoL is looking like a mess in these engagements

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            August 5, 2015 1:18 PM

            The end of this game might be really interesting but awkward. It seems like both teams don't close out late games well.

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              August 5, 2015 1:24 PM

              lol this AM

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              August 5, 2015 1:25 PM

              Imagine the pressure though, million bucks to play a video game? Any dumb mistake lets the other team back into it? I couldn't imagine it. All of this is just nuts. I can't imagine putting the hours these guys are putting into a video game. Some of the interviews pre-match really are shocking (people living on couches, playing 10+ hours a day every day). Just insane.

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        August 5, 2015 1:26 PM

        Fucking raped

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          August 5, 2015 1:28 PM

          Hahaha that was the setup I was waiting for all game. ES kept using Echo Slam on solo targets, but Song -> Vac -> Wall & Echo Slam. Boom, all ded.

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            August 5, 2015 1:31 PM

            Silencer's ult which also makes everyone useless. People forget how powerful that hero is in fights especially when he continues to sap your INT. Eventually he just turns you into a drooling Marvel fan by the end of the game.

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              August 5, 2015 1:32 PM

              I'm surprised he hasn't been picked more this TI. Especially with QOP and SS seeing a lot of success. Silencer just shuts them down.

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                August 5, 2015 1:34 PM

                I know same here. He's a solid pick for every phase of the game.

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                August 5, 2015 1:34 PM

                And he does pure damage with his right clicks which can hit really hard if he steals a bunch of int.

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                  August 5, 2015 1:39 PM

                  There was a period where I spammed Silencer for a while. Whether it's in lane as a dual support or a mid, he straight up ruins people's lives. He's such a pain in the ass when he can get decent mana regen.

                  Buy Orb of Venom to make your right click harassment more obnoxious. I'm a dick.

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                August 5, 2015 1:37 PM

                You still have all the silence counters like Euls and BKB. Silencer is kind of a free kill to those heroes, since no one is going to blow Global Silence to save a support.

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                  August 5, 2015 1:41 PM

                  Even then, when you're in the lead as Silencer. Those items only last for so long. And with their line-up. It's easy as hell to get the jump on them before using any of that shit. Silencer with Scepter is stupid powerful too.

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                    August 5, 2015 1:44 PM

                    Yeah, core Silencer is way scarier than support Silencer.

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              August 5, 2015 1:37 PM

              Relevant, for those who haven't seen it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA2VPU-VVIk

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              August 5, 2015 1:40 PM

              Enough for do my power.

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      August 5, 2015 1:26 PM

      Impressive song usage the last part of that game, some really cool plays.

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        August 5, 2015 1:27 PM

        Song is so fucking annoying.

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        August 5, 2015 1:27 PM

        The timing was impeccable. They wasted ultimates, kept their one dude alive, and shut down a huge gank. Just awesome play.

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        August 5, 2015 1:28 PM

        Yea song was a big contender in TI3 for wombo combos, wonder if it gets banned for game 3

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      August 5, 2015 1:39 PM

      The light and sound setup in there is fucking intense. I know they've had some serious DDOS/network/whatever issues that impact the gameplay, but the localized stuff is fucking super crazy amazing.

      I was there at the end of that game 1. Crazy shit. I have no idea what was going on but the crowd was roaring. Huge comeback I guess!!!

      Then, immediately like 4000 people all stood up and it was obvious they were gonna go get lunch, so I bolted the fuck right out of there because I was of course on lunch break myself! lmao

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      August 5, 2015 1:44 PM

      VP vs CoL Game 3 starting

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      August 5, 2015 2:52 PM

      Secret vs IG starting

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        August 5, 2015 2:54 PM

        This is going to be great!

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        August 5, 2015 2:56 PM

        I want to see Secret 2-0 iG in decisive fashion to feed the Secret fan theory.

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          August 5, 2015 2:58 PM

          With Tuskies in the first game and then something never seen before in the second game. Cheat code pitlord or something.

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          August 5, 2015 2:59 PM

          What's the theory?

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            August 5, 2015 3:00 PM

            Online dorks think Secret threw the upper bracket games in order to come through the lower bracket and not face EG twice.

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          August 5, 2015 3:07 PM

          ヽ(◉◡◔)ノ MY NAME IS S4, I DONT BAN GYRO CUZ IM COOL ヽ(◉◡◔)ノ

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        August 5, 2015 3:09 PM

        81%-19% odds on dota2lounge

        If Team Secret loses this will be huge.

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        August 5, 2015 3:11 PM

        lmao @ the boos for the Techies ban and they just let Puppey have his signature hero

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        August 5, 2015 3:15 PM

        Definitely feels like a stronger draft from Secret. Burning AM is Burning AM though.

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        August 5, 2015 3:26 PM

        Love watching Puppey play Chen. He makes it look so easy

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        August 5, 2015 3:27 PM

        These IG smokes :\

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          August 5, 2015 3:31 PM

          wtf is IG doing. Just standing around after these smokes not doing anything while Secret just dominate lanes.

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        August 5, 2015 3:32 PM

        this is looking ridiculous

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        August 5, 2015 3:43 PM

        Are you shitting me Valve?

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          August 5, 2015 3:45 PM

          I've been running the valve stream and the twitch stream at the same time because twitch isn't having these issues.

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            August 5, 2015 3:46 PM

            It's obnoxious that it happened right when that one engagement started

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              August 5, 2015 3:55 PM

              I've given up on Valve and Youtube. Twitch (even though it's only 720) seems to be the most functional most of the time.

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        August 5, 2015 4:03 PM

        lol another game where they just let another AM farm. When are teams going to learn

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          August 5, 2015 4:03 PM

          maybe they should've got a hex on ss? lol

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        August 5, 2015 4:04 PM

        I don't like the SF picks, the dmg is too bad after death

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        August 5, 2015 4:07 PM

        It's GG, lol nice try Secret

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          August 5, 2015 4:07 PM

          This game is just omfg

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            August 5, 2015 4:08 PM

            this game is just bad lategame choices by secret.

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              August 5, 2015 4:10 PM

              And I seriously dont see Secret 2-0'ing IG after this either. Secret had these great drafts until like that last set of games. It's like old Puppey took over lol

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              August 5, 2015 4:12 PM

              Sweet merciful xenu anti Mage for life

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              August 5, 2015 4:12 PM

              I think the early-mid game waiting for aegis to push was the biggest mistake. Gave burning way too much time to farm.

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                August 5, 2015 4:14 PM

                That and like what most teams fail in is just stop pushing. They have a hard pushing line-up and just allowed AM to farm. I really don't understand this mindset when they know they're on the clock with a hero like this.

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            August 5, 2015 4:08 PM

            them graphs OMG

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        August 5, 2015 4:11 PM

        DR on burning CHINA DON’T CARE

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        August 5, 2015 4:12 PM

        So... Anti-Mage ban for game 2?

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        August 5, 2015 4:13 PM

        rrrrreeeeeeekkkktt

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        August 5, 2015 4:14 PM

        That was insane nothing else can be said. AM ban every game now?

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        August 5, 2015 4:19 PM

        Game 2 starting

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      August 5, 2015 3:14 PM

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      August 5, 2015 4:03 PM

      how the fuck are they holding and making a come back

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        August 5, 2015 4:03 PM

        AM farming freely

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        August 5, 2015 4:04 PM

        Because SF is a bad late game carry

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        August 5, 2015 4:08 PM

        Because S4 keeps standing next to Arteezy.

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        August 5, 2015 4:16 PM

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        August 5, 2015 4:17 PM

        They kept trying to fight Burning instead of dealing with the supports and DS who were controlling the fight.

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          August 5, 2015 4:18 PM

          DS fucked them, hard. S4 should've been on Xi's case the whole time.

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          August 5, 2015 4:19 PM

          To be fair, if BurNIng dies, it's game over. What's scary is iG never hit their full wombo-combo (Secret had good enough spread most of the game).

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            August 5, 2015 4:31 PM

            It's 100x easier to take Burning's AM down when he is left to his own devices. Letting him go ham with his team supporting him was suicide.

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      August 5, 2015 4:11 PM

      In Burning we trust!

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      August 5, 2015 4:12 PM

      Holy fuck... In BurNIng we trust.

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      August 5, 2015 4:12 PM

      wow that was a game

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      August 5, 2015 4:12 PM

      WE FUCKING LOSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

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      August 5, 2015 4:16 PM

      Secret would have won if Techies weren't banned. :(

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      August 5, 2015 4:22 PM

      Please don't be on tilt... Please don't be on tilt...

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      August 5, 2015 4:23 PM

      IG banned AM... Didn't see that coming.

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      August 5, 2015 4:30 PM

      Team Empire ‏@team_empire 1m1 minute ago
      Secret lost 3 games in a row with Shadow Fiend so far
      Good guy Faith taking it before they pick it 4th time #TI5

      Empire trolling secret hard hahahahha

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      August 5, 2015 4:32 PM

      Thats some squishy heros on Secret

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      August 5, 2015 4:32 PM

      Ig's draft is so fucking good

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        August 5, 2015 4:34 PM

        The luna pick is possibly the best possible pick that IG could have been hoping for. Wall is going to do so fucking much late.

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        August 5, 2015 4:34 PM

        Secret needs to pull off early ganks and win reasonably fast. Seems like iG's line-up is easier to play and less pressure to win early.

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        August 5, 2015 5:01 PM

        o yeah?

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        August 5, 2015 5:03 PM

        How are you so wrong all the time?! ( ͡↑ ͜ʖ ͡↑)

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          August 5, 2015 5:04 PM

          Relax, duncandun, just relax (͡ ͡° ͜ つ ͡͡°)

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          August 5, 2015 5:05 PM

          Lol, secret did exactly what they needed to do. I didn't expect it to happen just because the average game time at TI is like 45 minutes or some shit so far. If it had gone later I was super confident in IG's lineup.

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            August 5, 2015 5:06 PM

            I'll be honest, I thought secrets draft was a bit wtf. They HAD to end the game before bkbs came out. And they did. By fighting burning. It was secret vs burning.

            Also puppey didn't play support really, kuro did, so lina was huge.

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              August 5, 2015 5:07 PM

              Yep. Hats off to secret. A lot of early game strats just haven't been paying off in this meta. Comeback gold is kind of huge at the moment. IG just had zero space and secret made no mistakes.

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                August 5, 2015 5:09 PM

                hats off to me also for correctly calling this

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      August 5, 2015 4:38 PM

      Anyone have that Zeus immortal they want to trade? Zeus is one of my fav heros to play.

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      August 5, 2015 4:42 PM

      lmao @ that Clock kill

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      August 5, 2015 4:51 PM

      You idiots why would you teleport in 3 people to die

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      August 5, 2015 4:51 PM

      Secret are mad, hoping for a game 3

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      August 5, 2015 4:56 PM

      Dark Seer plz

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      August 5, 2015 4:59 PM

      Strat to beat iG: Just fight burning entire game, screw everyone else. Ez win

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      August 5, 2015 4:59 PM

      Compared to league, the uber monster is terrible. That Roshan guy has no damage output and no AOE risk. It's a free second life and just a fight bait. They need to buff the fuck out of that thing

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        August 5, 2015 5:01 PM

        > Mentions League.

        GTFO of here

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        August 5, 2015 5:01 PM

        He does a lot of aoe and stun aoe. He scales up.

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          August 5, 2015 5:02 PM

          They just killed him with no risk and not a scratch

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            August 5, 2015 5:04 PM

            It's often risky. That one might not have been. It might not be equal to the same meta in league, but ok, I guess that's a thing league has. Rosh is pretty big and always a risk.

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              August 5, 2015 5:06 PM

              I guess hes right though, rosh himself is never the risk. The risk is the other team.

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                August 5, 2015 5:26 PM

                Right that's I guess what I mean. The monster is just a placeholder for loot. The fact it can be soloed for a second life seems weird

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                  August 5, 2015 5:29 PM

                  Hes a big juicy treat that may lose you the game if your team wipes to the other team.

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            August 5, 2015 5:04 PM

            I mean for a free second fucking life he had better put down some DPS at some point . That is dumb

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              August 5, 2015 5:05 PM

              Watch more dota and you'll get it. It's not the same game as league, sorry brah!

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                August 5, 2015 5:09 PM

                True true. I watch both at tournament level and truly try to absorb both!!!

                But damn Roshan is just fight bait for such a HUGE prize. It's a fucking second life and the monster does nothing it seems. I saw anti Mage solo it once. That means something is wrong???

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                  August 5, 2015 5:10 PM

                  you can even kill rosh at level 1 if you're tricky! It works though since its risky because if the other team sniffs it out you'll die and they'll get rosh.

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                  August 5, 2015 5:11 PM

                  Why does that mean something is wrong? It's not meant to be a one time per game raid boss, it's just an element of the map that can change the course of the game. But not too much. It's really quite balanced. Aegis isn't that huge, so the risk to get it shouldn't be that much.

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              August 5, 2015 5:08 PM

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        August 5, 2015 5:01 PM

        His damage output and health are time dependent. He levels up as the game timer increases.

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        August 5, 2015 5:02 PM

        Rosh has an AOE stun and gets stronger as the game goes on but yeah he's not really supposed to be a challenge. Killing him takes long enough and leaves you vulnerable to a counter attack.

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        August 5, 2015 5:56 PM

        Not every team composition is good at taking rosh. IRRC shadow fiend's aura works on roshan which helps a lot. Usually you want a source of minus armor or a lot of patience and life steal. Or you could just commit your entire team to killing him. Usually taking rosh is extremely high risk/reward and half the reason you take it is to deny the other team the same advantage. When I play lc I usually wait till I have a deso or an assault curass before taking rosh.

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      August 5, 2015 5:11 PM

      Secret vs IG Game 3 starting

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        August 5, 2015 5:11 PM

        secret has BH, game over gg

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        August 5, 2015 5:12 PM

        OK, in this subthread, once the draft is complete, you say which team is going to win based solely on the draft.

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          August 5, 2015 5:20 PM

          That's tough. They're both really good fucking drafts. Can't do it :D

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          August 5, 2015 5:21 PM

          Really tough to say, I like both drafts. I feel like IGs draft might just be slightly better so I'll pick them even as a Secret fan.

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          August 5, 2015 5:23 PM

          Chuan has WD monkey so iG will win.

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            August 5, 2015 5:23 PM

            I really like the WD pick too.

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            August 5, 2015 5:23 PM

            Have you seen the animation with that item when WD dies? The monkey caresses WD's head. lol, it's heart-breaking.

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            August 5, 2015 5:25 PM

            WD one of my favorite heroes to play.

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          August 5, 2015 5:27 PM

          Late but Secret is going to take it

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        August 5, 2015 5:14 PM

        Banned AM. Good move.

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          August 5, 2015 5:27 PM

          Was hoping to see that for the grand final hehehehehehe ANTI MAGE RULES

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        August 5, 2015 5:17 PM

        Pick silencer, Secret!

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        August 5, 2015 5:21 PM

        Blitz: What do you want from me???

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        August 5, 2015 5:31 PM

        That gank was great

        RTZ 4 life

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        August 5, 2015 5:31 PM

        Wow IG got served there wowwww

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        August 5, 2015 5:35 PM

        AA too strongk

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        August 5, 2015 5:40 PM

        LOL that Aegis steal fucked IG

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        August 5, 2015 5:42 PM

        Track gold? Track gold. Track gold!

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        August 5, 2015 5:44 PM

        Zai's dark seer is legit

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          August 5, 2015 5:48 PM

          Zai in general is a fucking amazing offlaner. He's good at every hero he's given.

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        August 5, 2015 5:45 PM

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        August 5, 2015 5:47 PM

        RTZ went a little too ham there.

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        August 5, 2015 5:52 PM

        hahah holy shit that vac + wall

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        August 5, 2015 5:52 PM

        That's one of the best fucking vacuums I've ever seen

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          August 5, 2015 5:53 PM

          hahaha yeah, fucking game-changing

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            August 5, 2015 5:56 PM

            That reminded me of Dendi's Rubick "The Play". It was so beautifully executed and Zai just fucking destroys everyone with that combo.

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        August 5, 2015 6:00 PM

        hahahah fuuuuuuuck

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          August 5, 2015 6:01 PM

          Puppey manfighting sf play of the game

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            August 5, 2015 6:02 PM

            It seems like everytime Secret is gonna lose a teamfight they are like "jk lol" and their supports pull out some crazy fucking play.

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              August 5, 2015 6:02 PM

              I've said it before and I'll say again, SF is a terrible late game carry

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              August 5, 2015 6:03 PM

              That's what their strength is, which is what Blitz said. He said Secret are one of those teams where their supports are just as dangerous if not more than their carries. Everyone seems to just be as leveled as they need to be to bring damage when needed. And it helps that these track kills are just all over the place at the right time.

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                August 5, 2015 6:04 PM

                Yea, because they all share gold. Especially when there is extra BH gold. CDEC also is a team that is sharing gold and seeing success

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            August 5, 2015 6:02 PM

            That was so fucking badass. Like when Puppey plays Omni or Lycan. Dude goes in hard.

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            August 5, 2015 6:04 PM

            Nah, it was the Vac + wall turn around by Zai IMO

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              August 5, 2015 6:06 PM

              That had more impact for sure. But puppey man fighting sf wins the maddog balls of steel award

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        August 5, 2015 6:01 PM

        That's game. BH playing a bigger role than I thought. Those track kills!

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          August 5, 2015 6:05 PM

          Yeah, BH is so insanely strong in this patch. Like they said earlier BH hasn't lost on the main stage yet.

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        August 5, 2015 6:02 PM

        LOL you just know the last thing Clockwerk said in teamchat before that hook was "yolo".

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        August 5, 2015 6:09 PM

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      August 5, 2015 5:47 PM

      this last game is great to watch

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      August 5, 2015 6:06 PM

      Happy Birthday Zai :D

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      August 5, 2015 6:07 PM

      I knew they'd get n0tail on the analyst desk.

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        August 5, 2015 6:09 PM

        So smart.

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        August 5, 2015 6:09 PM

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        August 5, 2015 6:10 PM

        he looks crushed though, must be pretty bitter sweet to watch secret go on.

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          August 5, 2015 6:10 PM

          Yeah :(

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            August 5, 2015 6:16 PM

            I think he's just worn out playing that position with C9. He deserves a better team. Bring back the Meepo's!

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              August 5, 2015 6:21 PM

              yeah we need more meepo. Maybe he can get together with singsing and xcalibur and form team meepo.

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                August 5, 2015 6:23 PM

                I love Xcalibur. I'd love to see that kid return back into the pro scene.

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              August 5, 2015 6:24 PM

              Yeah, don't agree with the better team. He made some crucial mistakes in game 1. I do think the current C9 doesn't work though, but it's not because NoTail is more skilled than the others.

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              August 5, 2015 6:27 PM

              One of my very favorite games I've ever seen is that XGM captains draft game where notail played support meepo to counter AM. It was so fun to watch.

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                August 5, 2015 6:29 PM

                :D

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                August 5, 2015 6:34 PM

                Meepo counters Anti Mage? O_o

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                  August 5, 2015 6:36 PM

                  What they did was have one of the clones follow Era's lifestealer around while the other clones would spread out around the map. As soon as AM was spotted Era infested into mepoo and all the clones blink + poofed on AM while era popped out. Got a ton of kills with that strat.

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              August 5, 2015 6:29 PM

              He deserves a better team. Couldn't agree more.

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          August 5, 2015 6:21 PM

          properly broken yes :( made me sad

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      August 5, 2015 6:09 PM

      Is there another match tonight

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      August 5, 2015 6:18 PM

      Upper Bracket - LGD vs CDEC Game 1 starting

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        August 5, 2015 6:27 PM

        BigDaddy is so good at the desk. Thank goodness C9 likes to fail at big tournaments so much.

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          August 5, 2015 6:40 PM

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            August 5, 2015 7:24 PM

            I think when BigDaddy (N0tail...whatever) started talking it made it is obvious how shallow the analysis of pretty much everyone except a couple former top level players has been.

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        August 5, 2015 6:34 PM

        Really wish they were confident in some diversity in picks. The range is incredibly narrow

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        August 5, 2015 7:00 PM

        Why do teams continue to pick SF. He's at a 100% loss rate today. 22% win rate for the whole TI.

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          August 5, 2015 7:19 PM

          DatDota says SF has a 39% winrate.

          The hero has been huge for six months now. It's going to take more than a few bad games at TI for him to exit the meta.

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        August 5, 2015 7:02 PM

        Move over zai, THAT VACUUM

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          August 5, 2015 7:05 PM

          That wall on Luna, who couldn't move at all...

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        August 5, 2015 7:14 PM

        Amazing game out of cdec

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        August 5, 2015 7:14 PM

        Loving CDEC's play in that game.

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        August 5, 2015 7:21 PM

        Sick play by CDEC. They and MVP are my two favorite underdogs of this tournament.

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          August 5, 2015 7:22 PM

          Yeah they are both so fun to watch.

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      August 5, 2015 6:33 PM

      Two China teams next, here comes a two hour game.

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        August 5, 2015 6:34 PM

        No DDOS though !!! >_>

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        August 5, 2015 6:39 PM

        Nah games only go that long when C9 is involved.

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        August 5, 2015 7:16 PM

        This is a pretty outdated insult considering a chinese team basically invented the 13 minute deathball meta at the last TI.

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        August 5, 2015 7:27 PM

        This isn't true at all. CDEC and LGD love to teamfight.

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        August 5, 2015 9:45 PM

        look guys i found out who doesn't watch dota

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      August 5, 2015 7:15 PM

      I'm rooting for CDEC vs. Secret in the finals. That'd be fun.

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      August 5, 2015 7:20 PM

      Upper Bracket - LGD vs CDEC Game 2 starting

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      August 5, 2015 7:37 PM

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      August 5, 2015 7:52 PM

      This game is definitely more lopsided at the point than game 1.

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        August 5, 2015 7:53 PM

        It is, but given the fights it seems like CDEC should have taken more than 2 tier 1s.

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      August 5, 2015 8:03 PM

      What an absolute stomping.

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        August 5, 2015 8:04 PM

        This is the worst pub stomp of TI5 I think. Just brutal.

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      August 5, 2015 8:04 PM

      Poor LGD

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      August 5, 2015 8:09 PM

      CDEC made LGD look like a bunch of 2k chumps. Amazing

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      August 5, 2015 8:10 PM

      Upper Bracket - EG vs EHome Game 1 starting

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      August 5, 2015 8:13 PM

      Poor Aggressif looks suuuuper uncomfortable with Kaci

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      August 5, 2015 8:17 PM

      Ha ha, this British dude just told China to fuck off with the English pronunciations.

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      August 5, 2015 8:57 PM

      EG did you just brain fart plz

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        August 5, 2015 8:57 PM

        that was incredibly disrespectful of EG against EHOME, and they got punished for it

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          August 5, 2015 9:00 PM

          are they fucking asleep? sumail should've been out of there RIGHT when they saw LaNm

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          August 5, 2015 9:07 PM

          What'd they do?

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            August 5, 2015 9:10 PM

            I think he's talking about that terrible bait on the bottom lane by ppd and Fear that resulted in a 5 man wipe.

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            August 5, 2015 9:11 PM

            They saw a 5-man smoke gank moving bottom to try and take T1 tower and/or pick-off Fear's AM.

            EG jumped in after ROTK surged into the jungle, and they ended up getting teamwiped and losing the T1 tower. It was embarassingly bad.

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        August 5, 2015 8:58 PM

        That was bad.

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        August 5, 2015 9:06 PM

        First game of the day, they always start out sluggish.

        That Lina Ult dodge though, holy shit.

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      August 5, 2015 9:14 PM

      EG hasn't been able to get any decent wards up. It's really screwing them over.

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      August 5, 2015 9:17 PM

      So the big winner this tournament is China's tax coffers.

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        August 5, 2015 9:19 PM

        Gets taxed 30% by the US Government before it ever leaves our shores since these teams generally refuse to provide the paperwork required to lower the taxes.

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          August 5, 2015 9:21 PM

          (and let's face it, it'll probably be spent here anyway to buy land or something)

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      August 5, 2015 9:28 PM

      Upper Bracket - EG vs EHome Game 2 starting

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        August 5, 2015 9:32 PM

        EG plz say you got some strong ass espresso

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        August 5, 2015 9:37 PM

        Ember :D

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        August 5, 2015 9:38 PM

        LOL Yessssssssssssssssss

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        August 5, 2015 9:38 PM

        Techies last pick vs PL?

        what.

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        August 5, 2015 9:38 PM

        Really? EG betting the finals on techies?

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          August 5, 2015 9:39 PM

          they'll drop to lower bracket, this is totally a Based Aui pick

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          August 5, 2015 9:41 PM

          No they're betting it on Sumail's Ember. Which is really good. Techies are just there to stifle their map control and movement.

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            August 5, 2015 9:49 PM

            What a play by Sumail to get Rotk mid after the mines mid!

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              August 5, 2015 9:52 PM

              I know, I think it's Sumail's best hero next to Storm. He needs heroes like this to go in hard

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                August 5, 2015 10:23 PM

                Crazy thing is that the opponents had only 2 disables. Ember couldn't be shut down at all without a blink on seer, and it worked.

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                  August 5, 2015 10:51 PM

                  He just destroyed with Ember. They just had zero way of stopping him without the rest of EG going in on them.

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        August 5, 2015 9:38 PM

        There it is...fuck.

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        August 5, 2015 9:40 PM

        Techies? ugh

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        August 5, 2015 9:43 PM

        Techies pick blew the roof off, y'all are boring

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        August 5, 2015 10:09 PM

        Bloodcyka? Techies?

        Is this even real life?

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          August 5, 2015 10:15 PM

          these are the kinds of games where PPD needs to work on getting some goddamn net worth. seriously.

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        August 5, 2015 10:16 PM

        What a snooze fest this game turned into, fuck techies.

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          August 5, 2015 10:16 PM

          Are you shitting me? That was a great game lol

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            August 5, 2015 10:18 PM

            Are you serious, it was just interesting in the beginning but techies forced eHome to just cower back while EG farmed and farmed and farmed. No action the latter part of the game until EG finally had "enough farm".

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          August 5, 2015 10:17 PM

          I thought it was really entertaining and had a fair amount of action.

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          August 5, 2015 10:18 PM

          I'm there, that was the loudest game of the tournament so far, and EHOME's win yesterday was LOUD.

          The crowd was chanting "Techies", five words I didn't think I'd be saying this morning.

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        August 5, 2015 10:16 PM

        lmao @ rOtk's death

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        August 5, 2015 10:18 PM

        Why does it have to be after midnight for game three. Argh!

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        August 5, 2015 10:18 PM

        I still say Techies is one of the most boring picks, but Aui really fucking knows how to make him effective. Techies really crippled EHOME and they couldn't do shit.

        If EG could play like that every game, they could easily win TI5.

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      August 5, 2015 10:18 PM

      Upper Bracket - EG vs EHome Game 3 starting

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        August 5, 2015 10:19 PM

        Come on EG, keep up that momentum you just built up in Game 2.

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        August 5, 2015 10:24 PM

        The only solution for EG? More Techies!

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        August 5, 2015 10:29 PM

        LOL @ techies respect ban

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        August 5, 2015 10:33 PM

        I smell another EG AM pick.

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          August 5, 2015 10:35 PM

          Fear is no BurNing, he's definitely not as game saavy with AM and I don't think they want to pick it up with the easier path to the finals on the line

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            August 5, 2015 10:39 PM

            This EG draft makes me really uneasy compared to EHOME so far :/

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              August 5, 2015 10:40 PM

              this smells kind of split pushy and ganky

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              August 5, 2015 10:41 PM

              Same here

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              August 5, 2015 10:44 PM

              They seem to be extremely based on ganking and that's not necessarily good vs the 3 teamfight heroes of ehome

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              August 5, 2015 11:29 PM

              And this is just one of the many reasons I am not the captain of the top NA DOTA team in the world.

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                August 5, 2015 11:31 PM

                The execution was impeccable. The draft was still on a timer, but the execution of eg was fantastic.

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                  August 5, 2015 11:32 PM

                  I was concerned they were gonna dive hard and blow it somehow, but Fear turned everyone right around and finished the rax, and Sumail picked off PL to finish the game. definitely could've thrown it away, but they played it exactly right.

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        August 5, 2015 10:43 PM

        Oh dear.

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        August 5, 2015 10:43 PM

        I hate that damn shop bug, I got it three times today.

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          August 5, 2015 10:44 PM

          It happens when you accept a match while spectating TI.

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        August 5, 2015 10:43 PM

        Windranger :D

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        August 5, 2015 10:43 PM

        I like e-homes lineup, eg's is also good.

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        August 5, 2015 10:43 PM

        What is this draft from EG? D:

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        August 5, 2015 11:08 PM

        Million dollar shackles.

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        August 5, 2015 11:10 PM

        my goodness

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        August 5, 2015 11:25 PM

        too much diving, take those towers, they don’t grow back.

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        August 5, 2015 11:28 PM

        It's GG. Great day for second game turnarounds.

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          August 5, 2015 11:30 PM

          Such a good series. Worth it. Gonna be tired tomorrow.

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        August 5, 2015 11:29 PM

        holy shit

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        August 5, 2015 11:30 PM

        So that Sumail is pretty good, carried hard that game.

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      August 5, 2015 11:03 PM

      Static link doesn't get disjointed by PL.

      Huh, didn't know that

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      August 5, 2015 11:05 PM

      What the hell!? Up till 2am watchin EG and power outage at the start of game
      3???

      Dammit

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      August 5, 2015 11:29 PM

      FUCK YEAH! USA! USA!

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      August 5, 2015 11:30 PM

      That was really rad great round 3 loved it well played

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        August 5, 2015 11:46 PM

        "Velcome to DOTA, hontrash. We take good care of you, da?"

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