What the community thinks of Xbox One
Longtime members of the Shacknews Chatty community weigh in with their thoughts on Tuesday's Xbox One reveal event.
Microsoft's event was heavy on entertainment, but light on gaming content
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Ozzie Mejia posted a new article, What the community thinks of Xbox One.
Longtime members of the Shacknews Chatty community weigh in with their thoughts on Tuesday's Xbox One reveal event.-
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I couldn't give two shites about The Price Is Right, I don't give a flying fuck about the NFL, NBA and my fucking Fantasy NFL/NBA team! I couldn't care less about switching from cable TV to a game by a bizarre hand-gesture (especially when I can press *one* button). In fact I am about to cancel my cable subscription altogether (which by the way is a statistic that is growing at alarming rates according to cable co.'s) I can watch Halo on YouTube, and that is only if I am really fucking bored. What else, I can Skype on my phone and every other device in my house already, EA can go take a shite, and whatever that confusing game was with the ship and the bridge and the girl and her mom.... thing... well, I think I'll pass on that too.
I started "next-gen" gaming with the PS1 back in 1995, and it looks like I'll be going full circle nineteen years later. That, or re-invest in a PC for my gaming fix. Which is looking all the more inviting.-
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Yes, it's obvious Xbox One will play games. So that means MS was justified in not spending more time talking about that feature? That's why people are uppity: "playing games" is now a feature to tick off an Xbox One checklist rather than THE feature. Read my quote: Sony's PS4 unveiling back in February covered topics besides games, but every topic tied back TO games. "Playing games" is the nucleus of the PS4. For Xbox One, MS presented it as just another feature to squeeze in between... I don't know, Skyping during a basketball game or something.
Another obvious point: MS will focus more on games at E3--though probably not to the extent that Sony and Nintendo will. But that's not a good enough reason to devote the vast majority of the One's unveiling to all the other junk it can do.-
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The PS4 has the same CPU, clocked the same, with more (7GB) and faster (5500MHz GDDR5 vs 2133MHz DDR3) memory available to games. (Xbone has 5GB for games).
Given the historical differences in the previous generations, the system with more ram and more flexibility tends to come out look better (Xbox 1 vs PS2, 360 vs PS3).
We have no idea, but I'll take my bet on Sony right now given the memory bandwidth and dedicated differences.
Also, Sony is focusing on indie developers, unlike Microsoft, so more of the games I'm interested in will be there or PC as Microsoft has decided that Indies cannot self-publish on the Xbox One. -
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That presentation was not aimed at us. Right or wrong, that presentation was aimed at the media and Joe Everyman, not the hardcore gamer segment. If that makes you butthurt, I guess that's your prerogative to get butthurt over it. It will play games, they will talk about it more.
Sony took a different presentation route because they had become known as hard to work with because of the PS3's crazy architecture. I don't think MS had that reputation to overcome. I don't think MS had to get the message out there that they "listened to developers"... I think they've always had some developers that are very close to the Xbox design team. Maybe they could have went after a larger group, but that will be evident as the systems are released and developers chose which to support.-
My favorite argument since the presentation has been "They are only catering to COD and madden bros!!!"
Breaking news: All companies who care about having sales at all will show COD and Madden at their console unveiling, or in Sony's case will at least say it will be on their console (I'm assuming COD and Madden weren't ready for an announcement at Sony's conf.).
MS focused on new features for the console, which amazingly is not playing video games.-
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But if the argument is "Of course there are games" it also kind of stands that "Of course Madden and CoD are some of those games." As I keep saying, I am under no delusions that the XBox will be a failure or that there won't be good games for it. For me, and I think a lot of other people, its that for the Big Reveal it was a total wet fart of a nonevent. I am almost certain that, based on the length of this last generation, in another 8 years cable TV will be obsolete in its current form. Its not cutting edge. Its increasingly irrelevant. They blew their wad on tying themselves to this. Hell focus on the same things, but start with CoD and EA sports and then go on with the "And look at all the cool TV stuff it does too!" and I bet the vibe the internet has now is much different. MS marketing is awful.
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Is it just me, or does the MS line about the XBONE (so far) somewhat resemble Sony's line about the PS3? "It's the all-singing, all-dancing, ultimate home media device that also plays games!"
Maybe their tune will change somewhat at E3, and maybe they can pull off the "ultimate combo media device and game console" strategy better than Sony did. Or not. We'll see.
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Show me games. Given that I dont care about cable TV and using internet explorer on my TV, show me something that will give me reason to spend several hundred euros on your system.
Show me as a company that you understand how important games is to the success of xbox, show me that you are investing deeply in talented developers, who are going to push gaming in new directions.
Dont just casually mention 8 new IP without any other details and expect me to take any notice.
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A more apt analogy would be for them to show the new iPad's new features, whatever those may be. Does that include maybe one or two games? Sure, to show off processing power. But it won't be a focus. They're not going to spend a lot of time showing things that people already know it does.
MS showed off new features. Did they show games? Sure, to show off processing power (and get people excited for E3), but it wasn't a focus because it's not a new feature. And you know what, if they do have new gaming features for Live and such, there's a brilliant, huge, highly publicized place for them to show those things off in all their glory, and can completely ignore the TV bits, and it's only two weeks away!
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Not focusing? Yes. I think they're not focusing on games.
Do I believe it will have games, absolutely. They'll be multitasking besides a copy of Windows 8, using 3(of 8)GB of ram (according to their presentation). Meanwhile, the PS4 using 1(of 8)GD of significantly faster GDDR5 ram is focused on gaming.
Not only that, Sony is actively courting Indie groups to develop games for the PS4 while Microsoft tells Indies to get a publisher or GTFO.
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so a company as large as microsoft with a division as large as xbox is unable to devote significant resources to both entertainment features as well as gaming features on a console? why is it assumed that the human and financial resources devoted to the console won't expand as functionality expands? that they added all these features with the same amount of dollars and people behind the system? that's crazy land. like when the launched Xbox Live they did it with the same core group who built Xbox and courted devs? No, they added entire teams and subdivisions.
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Given where the focus is at the system level, I think I'm not all that far off in saying that Sony appears to be more focused on gaming from the hardware side. Is that accurate?
The evidence is: the PS4 system uses ~ 1GB of memory. The Xbone system OS uses ~3GB. Sony chose to go with faster memory (5500MHz GDDR5 vs 2133MHz DDR3). Sony chose to add more ROUs to their GPU (1152 vs 768).
Now, on the software side, there is no evidence until Developers start talking. We do know that Microsoft shut down XNA while Sony has been offering dev kit rentals to indie developers. We know that Microsoft cut off Indie (self-published) developers from the Xbone, but none of that is enough to say one way or the other.
What we can say, from a system design standpoint, is that the PS4 is designed to be a higher performing gaming machine while the Xbone is designed around more generalized tasks.-
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Where do you see that Sony is renting dev kits to developers for PS4? Only stories I can find were about loaners given out before the Vita launch. In this Gamasutra interview (http://gamasutra.com/view/news/187093/QA_What_does_Sonys_most_open_console_promise_mean.php) Yoshida says that indies should focus on PS Mobile platform because it is software based and that PS4 dev kits are expensive.
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From Jonathon Blow, he spoke about it a month ago. Sony contacted him and offered them a PS4 dev kit, which is why The Witness is a timed PS4 exclusive.
Amusingly, he was quoted: "I don’t have good communication with anyone at Microsoft right now, and haven’t been disclosed on their next console, but all our technical people like the PS4 specs a lot more than the leaked Durango specs, and we like the positioning of the PS4 (it’s about games) a lot more than what we perceive Microsoft’s positioning is going to be."
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So Sony is giving cheap/loaner access to all indies? Or is it just courting certain developers.
I would also take his comments with a grain of salt because timed exclusives don't happen for free.
As for the positioning comment, he uses the word perceive instead of know. Microsoft said time and again that the reveal would be about the console and E3 would be about the games. Couple that with their BUILD developer conference in late June, I'm sure we will have a clearer picture of their positioning soon. Right now, it's still all perception.-
Sure, and we're all talking about perception, thats what this discussion is about. Anyone who's making definitive statements is an idiot.
But the point stands, we've had a conference from each of the console manufactures. They've both had completely equal opportunity to come out and discuss whatever they want to discuss.
They both came out and took wildly different approaches and focused on very different things. Is this the end of the story? Can we all make up our minds right now how the cards are going to fall? Of course not. Can we make a decision about what seems to interest us most, and which manufacture seems to be talking about the things that excite us? Of course. Can we infer which company is focused where by how they choose to represent their product to the world for the very first time? Of course we can.
Regardless of which approach or system tickles your fancy we can be sure of a few things. Sony's press conference didn't impress everybody, but it seemed to have overwhelmingly left a good impression on core audiences. Running up to the MS reveal there had been months and months of ugly speculation, and bad rumours circulating. After the unveiling a lot of that sentiment still remains, and there is still a bunch of confusion around rumours they did a bad job of squashing. Sure they can address this stuff down the line, but it has been a a clumsy effort so far.
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That's my feel too. They had an 8 year anticipation built with one hour to make a first impression and set the tone. Price is Right, and sports, having conversations with my bluray player, and a Call of Duty game. It obviously did not set the world on fire.
I assume they will have games yes, but the kinect being MORE obnoxiously integrated and a box that doesn't replace a cable box but will enhance it? If I had a list of things I wanted in another XBox those would be the last two things listed just under a punch in the stomach.-
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The point I made when I replied to Ozzie though, is that while I understand that, the general public isn't the group that preorders consoles. The guy excited about NFL integration isn't going to be the guy with a shelf of games like the Mass Effect series. MS marketing has always been tone deaf and several steps behind, so Spike TV at 10am to brag about how you can watch Price is Right on the XBox without having to change the input.... what?
I own like 4 PS3 games and only subscribed to PSN+ this year. I have probably 50ish games at least for my 360 and didn't drop my Live sub from the OG Xbox until this year. Both companies completely flipped the script this year. They both had their shot and the most enthusiastic XBox responses I've seen have been "Hey I wish it had a DVR but its still cool. They're totally going to show games in 3 weeks!" That is a tepid result for the bombastic SPIKETVINYOURFACEBRO money they had to lay out.-
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That could be the case but look at the Wii U. It's flop of a rollout has set the narrative now for it. The Wii U story is a failure with no games. It's only 6 months old and now it has this perceptive hole to climb out of based solely on perception. If the Xbox also has weak early sales against the PS4 then that narrative is set and becomes inertia for both through 2014.
That said, I'm pretty sure both will do gangbusters. I think it will be much closer of a race this go round though.
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Their dashboard is covered in ads for other services. Kinect wasn't about our kind of games, but mommy's exercise apps. Their presentations aren't aimed at us.
Even Peter Molyneux and Bungie quit them. Indie devs are going to kickstarter and steam.
No, I'm not seeing this glorious new gaming platform in MS? Can you give examples of how on the ball they've been lately?
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Just the fact that it will play games isn't enough. MS needs to be investing a lot of time and money to develop amazing first party games and working with third party developers to get exclusives etc for their system. Resources are finite for every company and if they are spending all their money and effort on NFL and TV content providers.. that is less money and effort for the gaming side of things. So it is significant.
Sony went out of their way to work with developers. They took their input to help design the thing. They got that message out very clearly in their press event. MS also got a message out very clearly: "TV and Sports". They still have time to redeem themselves at E3. If they come on stage and say: "ok, you saw the TV stuff a couple weeks ago... here is an hour and a half of GAMES!" Then all will be forgotten. I'm still not very confident they will do that though. I bet half of the E3 press conference will be: TV, multimedia, Kinnect fluff and goofy theoretical stuff that will never come to reality. -
We were asked to comment on the event not speculate on what may come in the future. Sure it plays games but that isn't what they showed us. They showed us a couple games (only one of which interested me since I don't like sports or CoD) and a bunch of other tangential stuff. I'm sure that they do have other games coming for it and when they show those I'll pay attention. Until then they have yet to interest me.
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I should also note that I heard back from dahanese after the fact. Didn't have time to get her quote in, but I didn't want to leave it on the backburner, so here it is:
"I'm excited about both systems (PS4 and 360) and need to see them more in action to really judge. I'm glad they kept the presser to an hour and I don't think anyone in the industry can put one of those together without the internet creating some amazing (and not so amazing) memes.
Also I am super psyched about the CoDog."
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To me, looks cool. Or at least sounds interesting. The potential and like usual, the ideas and concepts, are greater than the end product probably will be. For me living in Canada though, so far both systems and especially the XB1 are not an option for me. I don't know enough about the bandwidth or internet limits in the US but up here, we're limited to our speeds and in may case, our data/GB usage. These limits will in fact LIMIT me and almost everyone I know to the extent that we won't be able to utilize many of the console's features. In addition to that, we can't use any exclusive or available US based cable features. So I'm stuck, and frustrated. PC gaming at the fore front at the moment.
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I was pretty disappointed in both presentations. But, today it kind of hit me. These really are becoming more entertainment boxes rather than just game machines. The more then can do, the more there is to show and talk about. And, this is all very new to the world of the general consumer. And, that's the major concern. The general public will have trouble coming to grasp with all these new capabilities. And, it's too much to cover in one E3 press briefing. So, they've had to start the conversation early.
To this point, I think MS did it best. They specifically avoided a lot of tech talk and talked more about the newer functions. This gives the mainstream press time to talk about it to the public. Let the media do the heavier lifting about getting the word out to the world why this new device is different and why it is important for your living room.
Sony went heavier on some of the tech spec stuff - why the system will be better and how developers will be able to code for it. All good stuff, but the Wii crowd won't care one bit. They may care how easy it is to use the Xbox One to do other new cool stuff - maybe. But, that's my point. The mainstream media helps to tell that story.-
Sony didn't do that because they did it in the past with their PS3 reveal. They did the big 'it does everything' presentation in the past where they focused heavily on the media capabilities (it plays BluRays, it plays DLNA video, it does HDMI 1080p), and they got burned heavily for it.
Now here's Microsoft, 6 years later in a different type of market, making the same presentation, and now they're getting burned. It's an interesting switch.
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People who are going for PS4 over the XB1 are NOT doing it "just for exclusives" ... They're doing it because they either:
1) Like the features that PS4 offered during their presentation,
2) Disliked the features that XB1 offered during their presentation
3) Don't like some of the things coming out during the interviews after the XB1 presentation
4) Åre huge followers of the indy scene
5) Own or plan on owning a PSVita
6) Are invested in PS+ already
7) Don't like what XB-LIVE is offering service wise
there are more, i just don't want to list them all
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Everybody (including me) seems willing to give MS a pass until E3. If they screw up the E3 conference though and 90% of it is sports and TV... it will look grim for them. They better have multiple teams of people showing kick ass games with controllers in their hands and playing the games live. If they don't then I'm probably getting a PS4 first and a Xbox... when I get the chance (note: I said that about PS3 last time... and I still don't have one).
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If I said that I would still rather have a PS2 describe how underwhelmed I am by the Xbox One.
Why would I want to watch a movie and browse the internet at the same time on my 21" tv? Heck, can you even read shacknews in that little box?
Is there a reason why I would want to watch TV through the Xbox One when I will still need a cable box from my provider?
Kid: Xbox on. Play Call of Duty.
Dad: Xbox off. You are still grounded.
Kid: Xbox on!
Dad: Xbox off!
Kid: Xbox on!
Dad: Xbox off!
Xbox: Terminate all meatbags!
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The one part of the presentation that I didn't really understand, and I haven't seen much coverage of, is why MS are expanding their 'cloud' servers to such an extreme extent? Gold is already a pretty successful service. Why would they need to increase their servers 10x (I don't remember the exact amount)? Will this cloud be offering some sort of offloading of localized processing for items that aren't as affected by lag? Obviously MS has some very large strategic vision that they are unveiling, and I don't think it has anything to do with TV or expansion of the home theater. Hopefully it's given more exposure at E3.
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I'm hoping that they get a lot more specific about the new features for xbox live, since it seems that so many subscribers are losing interest. I currently am a gold subscriber, almost exclusively for the access to Netflix. Right now I'm looking at the PS4 as my next gen device, since I'm hoping that they will maintain the 'free' access to these streaming services (not guaranteed) but also for the potential backwards compatibility features to play all the sony exclusives I've missed. Maybe the updated Live will keep me in the MS fold. It's just too bad they didn't give more detail. I could have offset all this 'there's no games' bullshit that's been ringing through the discussions.
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There was a technical panel after the main panel where they talked to some of the architects who designed the system. It was 10x more interesting actually. They got into it a little bit... it sounds like the system and the OS is designed to allow games to actually use the cloud to offload processing for non-realtime stuff. It sounds very interesting but they didn't get into too much detail about how it might be used. I'm extremely curious about this stuff as well though because this is something which could potentially give the Xbox One a serious advantage over the PS4 and maybe even the PC.
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I take the entire 'offloading' thing with a huge pinch of salt.
The only example I can think of where something where that has been done is Diablo III, and that was pretty much only done to stop people cheating/duping because their ability to profit off the games economy depended on it being kept safe from stuff like that. It's not as if your PC couldn't handle the things it offloads to the servers (item storage, map geometry loading and enemy placements).
Servers are just beefier PC's, and the cloud is just a large number of them connected. MS are trying to make it sound as if they will be amplifying the XBone's processing power by using the cloud, but if that were true then they would need an inordinate number of servers to do it. A million selling game offloading that sort of workload on launchday would mean having a shitload of servers just for that title.
It's probably just going to be used to allow larger multiplayer matches and as a way to gradually force online only. Oh yeah, they can also end of life singleplayer games too. EA will love that.-
The power in the cloud doesn't need to be mind blowing, it could just be the fact that it's something which is offloaded by the box to free up resources and streamed back when needed. Just that alone could help. Also there is the idea that the cloud is external to the system itself, so five years down the road they could upgrade and change RAM, CPU and graphics of the boxes in the cloud with no effect on the Xbox (accept maybe a dashboard update or patch).
I think there is something to this and it opens up a lot of possibilities. The other impressive thing about the Xbox is that ability it has to run multiple HD panes and switch between the seamlessly, it's built into the hardware and the OS. I have a feeling the panes and the cloud stuff together could do some cool things.
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presumably xbox live will run a lot faster, less hiccups during big game launches, etc. I really think Xbox Live makes the difference in which console to get. PS4 could have a slight edge hardware wise but Xbox Live potentially has a huge edge over PSN. At least in my experience Xbox Live has been way better then PSN so far. You can see that in the community here. Has there every been a shackbattle over PSN? MS is smart enough to know this is their strong point.
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PSN evolved leaps and bounds since its launch. PS+ is pretty great and my guess is they're going to build that into PSN (maybe for a fee, maybe not) along with tons of sharing and collaborative, messaging, and group features. i think the online services will be more equal than ever, at least after a couple of years.
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Wow so delusional, Xbox will sell more day one. It's marketed to mass market not just gamers. It has exclusives to best selling game of all time call of duty and its going to be better on the new Xbox. People here are disconnected with reality and obviously not the mass market Xbox is targeting or call of duty fans as majority of gamers are. Good luck saying its the year of the play station for the 8th straight year and not even coming close to Xbox.
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Except it looks like the 360 sits at #3 behind the Wii and PS3 in sales.
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I don't think any gamer gives a shit about which one sells more, they just want games, which is why so many gamers found the MS event to be so horrible.
Once we start seeing more games and shit, then the opinion will shift a bit.
I am so tired of the "hey this thing sells billions, no way it could be bad" when there is still a valid discussion in how it might not be good for some people.
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FinalSpart4n, When it comes down to it one of the major deciding factors will be cost. As a parent the appeal of saving 100$ on a next gen system is a good thing. In a parents mind that means 1 - 2 launch games instead of the extra 100 given to Microsoft. Purchasing used games with no restrictions is a HUGE plus as well. Microsoft has dug its own grave from just those 2 points alone.
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I am excited about the direction MS is taking. They have always said that they wanted to own the living room. The Xbox one reminds me of a futuristic sci-fi interface to control all of my entertainment. I do not want a console that only focuses on games. I want a console that brings all of my entertainment together in a fresh, new way.
It's great that we have options. Those gamers who simply want the same thing that they have always had (just a gaming console, but with better graphics) will probably be happier buying a PS4. I'm excited about something different and new, and something that brings all of my entertainment together and can be enjoyed by my entire family. Personally, I feel that I've "outgrown" an exclusive game console. I really want something in my home that my entire family can enjoy. I see my wife using Kinect for movies, and music, and TV. My son can play Fifa an Madden. My daughter can play Kinect and dance central. We can all use the internet in fun new ways. I can skype with my family back at home, right from my sofa. All this, and guess what....... I will STILL have my top-notch games.
So, if anyone is unsure about who the audience is for Xbox one. It's me, and I'm super excited about it!
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No doubt i will end up buying both eventually, but the PS4 looks like the better machine to me at the moment. With that said though I am still a PC gamer at heart and what excites me is that the consoles and PC will all share a common architecture now. Hopefully this means less console exclusivity and more shared releases across the 3. This could be a great generation for all 3 platforms.
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The xbox will do everything the ps4 does in terms of games
We can't assume this. Yes it will play the same AAA games, and yes the same DLC will be available. The features will be different. For example; PS4 lets you spectate your friends playing and if they want, have you take control for a section of the game. The Xbox doesn't have that feature.
How they both do recording of gameplay clips is different. The PS4 lets you hit the "share" button and automatically grabs the last X seconds for a clip. XBox didn't discuss how they're doing this, in fact you might need to start the recording or you lose the moment.. maybe not.. we dont know.
Indy games: and this is a big one. PS4 is aggressively going towards the indy market.. I've had a lot of fun with indy games over the last few years. In fact I think I enjoy some of these more than the AAA titles. If the PS4 has access to the indy talent, then it is a clear winner for me.
What about streaming demos to your system through "OnLive" like technology? etc. We dont know all of the features of every console yet.. and we wont for some time. These are just a few of the thigns I'm thinking about when purchasing a new console.. along with things that came out in the interview after the XBox reveal (must be online once per 24 hour period, etc)-
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I guess you missed some details?
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2013/05/sony-ps4-streaming/
Yoshida then said that Sony was gimping the vaunted feature by allowing developers to decide whether or not their games could be shared. “There will be parts of a game that the maker does not want people to be able to see,” he said. “The creator may not want to make video of the final boss sharable, for instance.”
http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-adds-smart-match-game-dvr-6408685
Microsoft also announced today that Xbox One will feature a Game DVR system whereby players can capture and share gameplay moments. Similar to the PlayStation 4's "Share" functionality, the Xbox One console will constantly record most recent gameplay, which players can then access, edit, and share through social networks and Xbox Live.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/22/4017222/sony-says-ps4-cloud-features-are-aspirational/in/3774815
Jack Tretton, president and CEO of Sony Computer Entertainment America, sat down for an interview with Forbes and was asked if Sony's new fleet of cloud services would be available at launch. "I think it's aspirational on the device, as opposed to us standing up there, pounding the floor and saying the day this thing ships all this stuff will be there," Tretton replied. "I think it'll absolutely be there for the device, but I don't know whether it will be there for day one on the device."
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/what-it-is
With Xbox One, you can start playing immediately as games install. And updates install seamlessly in the background, so your games and entertainment won’t be interrupted.
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yep. if i want ultimate graphics i will have a PC. i want my consoles to deliver something my PC doesn't - some sort of unified experience merging couch gaming, social stuff like skype and friends lists etc., media (streaming, live TV, rentals, etc), and cloud storage to share shit with others. give it voice and a slick overlay? sounds good to me. oh, the graphics of this particular game aren't the absolute top-end? *loads up PC version instead*
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http://www.itfgaming.com/opinions/what-does-the-xbox-ones-new-no-second-hand-games-policy-mean-to-you/
I am uebersoldat's completely expected Microsoft schadenfreude. Burrrrrn baby burrrn. MWAHAHAHAH *twitch*
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No, I had iTunes open. I usually can remember the approximate location, as long as I can remember or derive the podcast date. There are some epic Bombcast episodes I listen to again, like huge news stories or insightful criticism in the middle of scathing game reviews (Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor, Dead Space 3, SimCity 5, etc.).
Maybe I dwell on that stuff too much and should read some more books or something. At least it's not as soul-sucking as watching the news.
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