Tesla's largest competitor in China BYD says FSD tech is basically impossible
EV automaker BYD believes the focus on self-driving cars may be a flawed idea and that the focus should be on autonomous manufacturing instead.
As it turns out, auto manufacturers may have things all wrong when it comes to the idea of autonomous driving. At least that's what Chinese and electric car company BYD believes. On Tuesday, BYD addressed the subject of self-driving cars and FSD tech, believing the concepts to ultimately be flawed and noting that focus should instead be on manufacturing.
Source: BYD
"When we think about [self-driving tech] from all aspects, from human psychological safety needs, from ethics, from regulation, from technology — including application in this industry — we haven’t figured out [the logic] and we think it is probably a false proposition," BYD spokesperson Li Yunfei said during the Shanghai auto show (via CNBC).
BYD is recognized as China's largest seller of electric vehicles and the company's perspective on autonomous driving comes from a variety of statistics. Li added that two million people are killed in traffic accidents every year and that self-driving vehicles would make it more difficult to determine responsibility. While some BYD models offer assisted driving tech, the company does not appear to be aiming for full automation and now appears to find it an impossible goal.
Instead, BYD would rather focus on autonomous tech going into manufacturing plants. Li added that an increased usage of autonomous technology could save the company a substantial amount on monthly wages and benefits. However, there's no timetable on how long it would take to perfect autonomous machines or workers in a factory setting.
Have automakers approached the question of self-driving technology the wrong way? This may be worth asking, even as companies like Tesla launch Full Self-Driving initiatives. We'll continue to follow this story as it develops.
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replyOzzie Mejia posted a new article, Tesla's largest competitor in China BYD says FSD tech is basically impossible
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Humans can do it with just vision, so that’s the emulation. I think we’re a LONG way from it, but the way AI is advancing rapidly, it’s gonna happen. Lasers are good but they can’t tell the difference between a sheet of newspaper and a brick wall.
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I completely agree with you. The other sensors all have the same problem too. Its a LONG way away.
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> they can’t tell the difference between a sheet of newspaper and a brick wall.
On the contrary. A camera is far more liable to be tricked into thinking a surface is not dense when it is.
Lasers actually *can* be used to detect differences in thickness / density, and provide necessary redundancy to keep human lives safe. -
It seems like humans use more than just vision? Hearing is a big one. Plus all the processing going on in the mind.
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We could put ears on the side reflectors.
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Cronenberg movie idea: single-use human brains/ears/nervous systems developed to power computer vision applications.
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The short story is called Lena and is available free from the author here: https://qntm.org/mmacevedo
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Also explored quite a bit in Altered Carbon
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Hell yeah we do
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Well when you get a colonoscopy you'll be peeing and pooping.
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even if it was possible using just vision why would you handicap yourself? You can give the computer so much more advanced senses than just traditional vision and make it even more capable (especially in conditions where vision breaks down like darkness and weather).
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Yes. I think eventually the infrastructure should be upgraded too. Like road signs and lights that communicate with the cars via QR codes or whatever. Electromagnetic paint for the lines that the car can read without cameras.
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But it does it now? It's not perfect but it's not some far fetched thing. It's just like a slightly dumb driver.
And I know people will be like "oh but blah blah it ran into a parked car or braked randomly" but people do dumb shit also and that stuff is really rare.-
It's definitely worse than a slightly dumb driver given arbitrary conditions in an arbitrary location.
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Eh I've been more just annoyed by it being super cautious and stuff. It's never done anything I'd consider dangerous. Just not how I'd drive.
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I think the scariest part is that you think your car is handling things then suddenly HOLY SHIT THE CAR FUCKED UP AND YOURE GOING 75MPH.
I’ve read the stories about it missing obvious obstacles and wrecking that would be solved with a system involving more than vision. It’s kind of shitty that the government would allow a car with just vision as the FSD solution.
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100% agree in this case. I think the only way for Self driving to actually happen, is for all the auto manufactures and the highway governmental(state/federal) agencies to team up and
1. Add hardware in cars that talk to other cars. So a highway WAN and each car can communicate with each other and share information.
2. Add sensors/markers to the roadways that adds to this communication to supplement the in-car sensors.
3. Highly encrypt the shit out of it
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Meanwhile them old folks are driving around in a 1984 Chrysler LeBaron
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Lol at impossible
https://apple.news/Ar55GdvaSQxykqf-tgpLgEg
It’s about car communication to other cars. This isn’t hard.
