Super Mario 3D World doesn't rule out more Galaxy, says Miyamoto
Shigeru Miyamoto said in a recent Q&A that Super Mario 3D World doesn't mean no more Mario Galaxy games. The same team works on both, he says, and they can't make both at once.
Super Mario games have started to branch off into separate lineages, with Super Mario 3D World and Galaxy coming from one team at Nintendo and the various 'New Super Mario' games from another. But while the Galaxy team has been hard at work on 3D World, that doesn't necessarily mean Galaxy is dead and buried. Mario creator Shigeru Miyamoto recently signaled that another Galaxy is still a distinct possibility.
"Just so there is no misunderstanding, I should point out that this doesn't mean we'll never make another Super Mario Galaxy game," Miyamoto said in an Iwata Asks. "The same team can't make both at the same time. And we can't bring in a second party and slap the name Super Mario Galaxy on it."
Miyamoto also said he likes keeping the two separate, since they scratch such different itches as a designer. "Personally, I would like to take on a variety of new challenges with Super Mario Galaxy and design 2D Super Mario games in an easy-to-understand way within certain restraints," he said.
In the same Q&A, producer Yoshiaki Koizumi said he felt 3D World lets them appeal to a broader audience than Galaxy did, thanks to its range of characters and play types. Luigi was available in Galaxy, but wasn't on equal footing with Mario.
"I think the deep-blue image of space and the impression you get from the title was more geared toward boys," Koizumi said. "I felt like a player-character you might want to choose besides Mario was necessary to convince, say, my wife to feel comfortable picking it up and playing. This time, we welcomed in Princess Peach, so you can play as a female character. In that way, I feel like we filled in a piece that had been missing."
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Shigeru Miyamoto said in a recent Q&A that Super Mario 3D World doesn't mean no more Mario Galaxy games. The same team works on both, he says, and they can't make both at once.-
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To be fair, the 3d Land and 3d World titles are pretty new.
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because mario galaxy was the best game of the last console generation. i usually say dark souls but the reality is that nintendo does constantly amazing work and if you look at the development of
mario bros, mario bros3, mario world, mario 64, mario galaxy etc they evolved the sries like no other even with the occasional turd like sunshine in between.
i havent even mentioned great incremental stuff on handhelds or pseudo marios like mario 2.-
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Sunshine was the shit. Still my favorite 3D Mario game.
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Same here!
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I didn't miss jumps in Sunshine as often as I did in SM64, mostly due to the FLOOD cannon. It has that ability where you can levitate for a few seconds by bumping water toward the ground from dual nozzles, like flames from a jet pack. That made judging distance and depth more forgiving.
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As much as I liked Galaxy, I wasn't crazy about the whole platforming on a sphere thing. I love Sunshine because it was so goddamn bright and cheery and the gimmick with the water stuff really felt fresh and fun to me.
Also, I feel like my experience of SMG1/2 was tainted by my general annoyance with waggle.
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As much as I love Galaxy and want 3D World, I miss the days of Nintendo creating a new Mario series for each new console. The NES had Super Mario Bros. 1-3; the Super NES had Mario World; N64 had Super Mario 64; GameCube had Mario Sunshine; Wii had Mario Galaxy; the Game Boy had Mario Land; the DS had New Super Mario Bros.; and the 3DS had Mario 3D Land.
Nintendo used Mario as a familiar character who could introduce gamers to his new console's capabilities through new moves and settings, while retaining core elements that carried over from game to game.-
I wouldn't say they were different series. Every Mario "series" can be grouped by paradigm.
Super Mario World played basically the same way as the first 3.
Mario 64 and Sunshine are another group... I might even want to group both Galaxies with them too.
In other cases they can be grouped simply from the time they were released. For instance the NEW Super Mario Bros. games would probably be grouped independently from the original 4 even though they were modeled after them. -
How was Mario World significantly different than 3? I dunno, it feels like splitting hairs. Mario is Platforming. The big jump in 64 was there, and Galaxy somehow built on that even more, now we have different flavors in 2D (NSMBU), 3D-ish (Land/World) and 3D (Galaxy). What more do you want!?!?!?!
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I'm not dissatisfied at all! I'm simply pointing out that Nintendo used to kick off a new series on every new console. 3D World looks awesome, but--and I could be wrong--it looks like a follow-up to 3D Land on the 3DS. And there's nothing wrong with that at all. I was just hoping for a new series that showed off the functionality of the Wii U specifically, just as Mario 64 was designed around its console's controller, Super Mario World was designed to show off the greater color palette and storage capacity of the SNES, and 3D Land the 3D capabilities of the 3DS.
Super Mario 3D World looks like more of what I and other gamers love about Mario: it's colorful and fun, features exquisite level design navigated via tight controls, and welcomes other players to join in. And I'm stoked for all of that! It could easy be GOTY, and it would deserve that accolade and more. It just feel like a game designed for the Wii U.-
Last sentence: *it just DOESN'T feel like a game designed for the Wii U.
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Games based on mechanics instead of stories or simulation are rehash proof, in a sense. People just want more level design and more mechanics, and it's hard to accuse them of staying pat on those fronts, they've always been very creative and fresh.
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Every NSMB game I've played has been great. The problem is fatigue. Nintendo has never pumped out Mario games so quickly and recycled assets so often. One of the reasons I like to see a new Mario series debut on each new Nintendo platform is because Nintendo is forced to give familiar elements (tight platforming, speed-run challenges, secret levels, etc.) a new paint job. I'm okay with sequels, I just don't want to see Nintendo fall into the annualization trap that so many other publishers seem excited about.
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when there're no third party titles to drive your hardware sales suddenly the 3-5 year cadence for first party series doesn't work as well
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Maybe if they didn't let so many of their IPs languish, they could do more 2-3 dev cycles with different series hitting each year.
I guess what I'm saying is a want a 2D Metroid on 3DS really badly.-
yeah but Metroid is never going to move hardware like Mario. And Zelda is a much better hardcore franchise for them to use and it's hardly being churned out quickly.
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Rumors have been floating around that Nintendo will give more classic games the HD treatment to fill in the gaps between new releases. Super Mario 64 has come up, although I don't want that as much as I'd love a Mario Galaxy HD double feature: one disc, both Galaxy games. SM64 is great, but might feel redundant so soon after 3D World--same style of graphics, movement, and level design.
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As great as that would be I just don't see it happening.
Wind Waker was a special case due to it's unique art style while still having a relatively high poly count, I can't imagine a game like SM64 getting the proper HD treatment without an enormous amount of work put into it. If Nintendo is striving for the same 6 month development time I think that's not feasible.
I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I don't have my hopes up.
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Next one will have branching dialogue trees.
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