Destiny revealed: Bungie's ambitious online FPS
Destiny exemplifies the very epitome of AAA game development: it aims to be nothing less than the biggest world ever created for a video game, while reinventing the FPS.
Fight aliens in space. Again.
Character classes will have different abilities
'The Traveler' is the giant orb atop Earth
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replyAndrew Yoon posted a new article, Destiny revealed: Bungie's ambitious online FPS.
Destiny exemplifies the very epitome of AAA game development: it aims to be nothing less than the biggest world ever created for a video game, while reinventing the FPS.-
If you have any other Qs about Destiny, feel free to post them here. I'll try to answer them!
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Why are they shlepping Destiny on the current hardware when the game appears to be a decent ways off and next gen systems are on the horizon?
Seems like the easiest way to hold back your ambitious new game, there's bound to be a lot of sacrifices and compromises for the aging hardware.-
I think it's all about install base. This is an expensive game. Release the first one on current gen, and then look forward for future games.
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Install base is sort of what I was figuring ( http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=29703523#item_29703523 ), but what's the ETA? If it's delayed and well after the launch of these new systems that people are buying and replacing what they currently have in their entertainment setups, will they actually do a lot of business on the old hardware with a new game?
It's Bungie backed by Activision so it'll probably sell regardless, but I know I will not be interested in any 360 or PS3 release once the new systems are out, and I don't even plan to buy any of these systems at launch. I've already been preferring the PC for a long time now but that's not really the point here.
Hopefully they're developing it for next gen systems and scaling shit way back for the current hardware, and will have better versions of the same game more or less ready to go for the new consoles. Activision seems to want their games on all the platforms these days. Although apparently not the PC with this one. Will be interesting to see if a 'next-gen' version is at the Sony conference on the 20th. I'm guessing not.
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^^ I was thinking the same thing. Why is this going to be on the current Gen. Looks like this will be a PC purchase as long as it doesn't look like it is 5 years old.
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"Activision's Eric Hirshberg saying that the game is only announced for PS3 and Xbox 360 right now"
I doubt we will see a pc release for a long time if ever.
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So they're betting on the next gen console having BC...or do they just figure that everyone is going to keep their current gen stuff hooked up to their TVs as well? If the next gen systems don't have BC...I tend to consider that to be MS and Sony telling me not to buy ANY current gen stuff anymore ever.
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On Giant Bomb Jeff seemed pretty convinced that it was coming out on the next-gen platforms. He said it was coming out Q2 2014 at the earliest, because Activision said it wouldn't have an impact on their 2013 financials during an investor call.
The reason they can't speak about it is because neither of the next-gen platforms have been officially announced yet, so they are still bound by NDA.
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Sounds ambitious. Shame they didn't confirm PC.
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I don't know, but unless the contract has changed, the first one is going to be Microsoft console platform exclusive: http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/21/entertainment/la-et-ct-bungie-activision-contract-20120521
The 27-page agreement calls for Bungie to develop four "sci-fantasy, action shooter games," code-named "Destiny," released every other year, beginning in the fall of 2013. Bungie also agreed to put out four downloadable expansion packs code-named "Comet," every other year beginning in the fall of 2014. Activision has never disclosed release plans for Bungie's titles.
The first Destiny game will initially only be available on Microsoft's Xbox 360 consoles, as well as its potential successor, which the contract refers to as the "Xbox 720." Later games would be made for Xbox consoles as well as Sony Corp.'s expected successor to the PlayStation 3, and on personal computers.
Maybe part of it is platform familiarity, considering that Bungie has been a 360-exclusive dev for almost 10 years (since Halo 3 started development).-
Hmm, Hirshberg saying "360 and PS3" seems to suggest that cross-developing for PS3 would be far easier than attempting to make a PC port. Bungie... you got some 'splainin' to doooo...
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They kept on referring to the leaked contract as an old one. So clearly, some details have changed since its release, like how it's multiplatform from the get-go.
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Jeff Gerstman said they repeatedly avoided questions about the PC platform, and said several times that they see themselves as a console shooter developer, that was their strength, thats what they do best.
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I see myself as a guy who plays mostly PC shooters and didn't really care a lot for the Halo games...so I might not be impulse buying this.
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I'm a guy with Boyd Crowder hair who ran over his children with a corvette...and Halo 5 is going to be my autobiography! (Seriously though...THAT story in Halo 5 would probably get me to buy it...just because it would be so WTF o_O).
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why not just play something like Planetside 2 right now? I'm missing the 'reinventing the FPS' stuff here... it doesn't look special.
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You don't need to have your handheld in a sandbox shooter. There is a story for PS2 but its all set up and lore behind the factions. Story elements have to be really done well to work in multiplayer.
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so you're looking more towards more Halo... which a lot of people are over though. So my point is still what are they doing to draw new people in? Or is just expected they mostly get newcomers with a new console who don't have any frame of reference.
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Ugh, the phrase "reinventing the FPS" is such a disgusting thing. Andrew (and the rest of the gaming industry press PR-extension), please go find a name for whatever encompasses games like Borderlands, that have action-RPG features like loot and level progression, MMO features like PvP and persistence, and say that Destiny is THAT kind of game... and STOP shitting on other FPS games.
The only similarity that Destiny will have to games like Bioshock Infinite is that it lets the player attack with a firearm in first-person perspective. That doesn't make Bioshock Infinite any less relevant, nor does it make other single-player FPS games, non-persistent competitive multiplayer FPS games any less relevant. Stop participating in Activision's marketing smear campaign. -
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If something does get revealed alongside the PS4, maybe they preempted it to avoid annoying Microsoft and inform people that it is a multiple platform game, not PS4 only.
There was some reasoning to do this on a Sunday, I don't think it was an error on Bungie's part. The content shown was a little underwhelming though, even if the concept sounds cool.-
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Nintendo typically releases first-party games on Sundays, which makes sense. More people at home and interested in playing games on the weekends.
I realize game releases are different than news embargoes, but the same logic applies.
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It's a reaction to Sony's upcoming announcement. MS wasn't expecting that from Sony so they threw this together before they wanted to announce it to try and do something.
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"We've got just enough crazy to pull this off." Felt like I was watching a commercial for some crappy T.V. show.
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FPS Sci-Fi D&D that talks to your mobile phone
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I'd be a lot more interested if it was coming out for PC and not just 360 first :(
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A Bungie shooter with aliens out for the PC? What a novel idea.
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Or for Mac, lol.
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It's not really the platform I guess, it's just the hardware it'd be running on.
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Yikes. Sounds like the culmination of everything I don't want in gaming. I want my single-player games to be narrative and free of arbitrary looting and grinding for levels. And I want my multilayer games to be stand-alone competitive matches, with none of this persistent character and grind to unlock items and skills bullshit. I just want games to be games again--something I can pick up and drop in my own time. Not a full time, never-ending job filled with pointless, empty "loot" :(
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Some of the best multiplayer games of all time (both pvp and coop) have been greatly enhanced by unlocks.
Tribes Ascend, Killing Floor, and Rainbow Six Vegas 2 come immediately to mind. Hell, Vegas 1 started you off with everything unlocked and it felt far less compelling to progress than in Vegas 2.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think unlocks are suited for every game and I've loved plenty without them. But it's all about the execution and how well they fit into the overall design. The games where unlocks are terrible are the ones where unlocks are just bolted on as an afterthought to a game that isn't worth playing for more than a few hours.-
Chivalry is another example of my head of a game that I really liked the unlocks in.
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Though Tribes Ascend just added a "pay once have everything treat it like any other game" option.
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That having been said...for all its flaws I never felt like I was being screwed out of money in T:A (don't get that sense in PS2 either).
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here here.
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lol GaaS :(
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Agreed; let's just say there's a reason why I've been playing Quake 3 regularly, and haven't touched online FPSes in a while. Adding in persistence, perks, loot, RPG elements, and other stuff into FPSes makes me FEAR the experience more, because more is at stake, longer play sessions are required, and there's a higher risk of bickering, hacking, and unbalanced play triggering a bad experience.
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Truth is being stated here! FUCK item / skill grinding in FPS games.
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No idea why this is getting so many INF's when there have been weeks of daily threads of people talking about how amazing they thought Battlefield 3 and Borderlands 2 was.
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So yet another MMO? Weak. :(
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eh it sounds more like borderlands with MMO like hubs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8zTEJwp6sg
Sessler says the MMO bit sounds more minimal multiplayer than massively multiplayer.
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" reinventing the FPS." lol
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Comment police, arrest Dave-A
He made a joke
It made a few people smile
But he's made a mistaaaaake
Comment police, arrest Dave-A
His lighthearted lol
Made Brickmatt feel ill
because literally fucking everything offends him
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This is what you get
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Nice try, but nope: http://www.shacknews.com/search?chatty=1&type=4&chatty_term=&chatty_user=Poor+Yurik&chatty_author=brickmatt&chatty_filter=all&result_sort=postdate_desc
All you just did was prove my point. "De-sensitivity training" needs to be invented right now, and you need to be given it.-
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From the outside looking in, you've been getting more and more easily riled up over time and most other people have stayed about the same as before.
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I know :|
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Well looks like this time they are taking a page from Gearbox Borderlands as far as the design goes.
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I'm starting to hate the word "innovate" because its losing all meaning.
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Looks like FPS Monster Hunter. Intrigued, but not buying yet.
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I can't be the only one that sees this: http://chattypics.com/files/DestinyWhat_zsopapq5va.png
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Here's another one without the name: http://chattypics.com/files/DestinyWhat_npxa33o3iw.png Seriously, I saw this immediately in my mind when I first saw the logo, and I can't unsee it :(
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I get a very "The Book of the New Sun" feel to it. And that's a good thing..
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http://www.giantbomb.com/
Jeff' posted a pretty good video on the subject too.-
its pretty lame how little they showed the press.
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Yeah its really a bit of a let down. It does sound exciting, but the fact that its currently only announced for ps3 / 360 is also disappointing. Of course it will be on the future systems, but the fact its targeted at both generations is a shame.
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Also he's drinking out a jar.
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Haha, they gave them pictures of the office?
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http://www.destructoid.com/bungie-says-nobody-plays-shooters-with-a-mouse-keyboard-245428.phtml
haaaaah
he's actually proud of slaying the genre, and it's not even his franchise that dominates it.-
I'll have to borrow about 8 seconds from the Angry Joe A:CM review to express my reaction to that quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGX2WE4QUw8#t=23m05s
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I play and want to play shooters with a mouse and keyboard, therefore I must be nobody.
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I thought I was the only nobody left.
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It's like they're giving me the finger...flipping me off while asking for my money.
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he's totally right... from a certain perspective. There's millions of people out there who have never played a shooter on PC, don't know what M+KB looks like and were most likely introduced to the genre either through Halo or CoD.
That massive blob of people certainly doesn't give a fuck about playing anywhere except on consoles.
It's just wanky to say that just because a thing is popular that it is at all good, let alone the only thing that matters, and that 'nobody' wants anything else. Even people who like console shooters are starting to have negative feelings towards CoD, and even Halo to a certain extent. They're definitely getting bored of the incessant franchising, hence the growing market for stuff like Bethesda's various first person games, and Bioshock.
But he's not wrong as such.
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We all lose for reading Destructoid.
Up until 2008/2009, Halo dominated the genre. So basically 2001 to 2008 for a total of at least 7 years, which marks a longer run as "top FPS" than Quake or Doom had. If we're in the "CoD Modern Warfare" era now, it's been going for about 5 or 6 years as sole top FPS. What else is there? TF2 or CS? They're not only isolated and unique cases, but they're smaller than Halo was and smaller by far than Modern Warfare (unless you're counting ONLY PC players).
Halo changed how FPS games are made.-
Counter-Strike was pretty big back then, probably had more active players the first Halo. The first Halo was also a LAN / local game only until it eventually came to the PC.
Both HL & HL2 sold more copies than Halo and Halo 2 if the internet is to be considered accurate. (5 & 8 million units for Halo and Halo 2, 9 and 10+ million for Half-Life and Half-Life 2). I realize Half-Life came before Halo, but the multiplayer mod scene blew up for that game and stayed strong during the first Halo's lifespan.
Other notable FPS on the PC in the 2000-2008 time frame (SP and MP):
Quake 3
NOLF
Deus Ex
Medal of Honor: AA
Counter-Strike
AVP2
Call of Duty
Battlefield 1942
Tribes 2
Day of Defeat
Team Fortress Classic
Thief 2
Op Flash
America's Army
Ghost Recon
NOLF2
UT2004
SoF2
Call of Duty 2
Battlefield 2
DoD:S & CS:S
Far Cry
FEAR
Planetside
Painkiller
Crysis
Tribes Vengeance
TF2
Portal
Rainbow Six: Vegas
SWAT 4
Call of Duty 4
ArmA
Crysis Warhead
BioShock
Far Cry 2
Left 4 Dead
STALKER
I'd love to throw Max Payne 1 & 2 in there but those were obviously 3rd person.
All of those titles probably weren't even close to the massive sales of a Halo 2, although I'm guessing the Battlefield series and maybe a few other games and mods came close to the online multiplayer popularity or even surpassed it. Console online MP was still in its infancy back then. It wasn't until Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4 that that stuff gained a ton of ground, even with the subscription required on 360.
Halo definitely changed how FPS games were made (for better and / or worse), and while I played the Halo series and enjoyed certain aspects of it (basic combat, coop) I was and still remain more into PC shooters, largely because of the controls. With multiplatform games it's always been no contest on which I prefer, even if they are crummy ports they'll still play and look better and run smoother on PC. I understand I am in the minority these days, however. And have been for a long time now, likely since the old PC mainstays started focusing on console development.
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Was excited until the Activision logo popped up..forgot that they were in bed with them. That's a shame
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PC version? THERE IS HOPE. http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/18/destiny/
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I am so freaking excited for this! Disclaimer: major Halo geek :)
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Looks interesting, but seeing Activision's name attached to it has a lot more negative connotations than positive for me. If the Dev's succeed in making a great game that I enjoy playing, you can be assured Activision will run it into the ground grinding every cent they can out of it.
Publishers are great when they enable veteran and visionary developers to realize a solid idea, they are horrific once that idea starts making money.
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