Valve's 'Steam Box' revealed as Xi3 Piston
For yonks, rumours have buzzed about Valve selling its own pre-built PC, fondly nicknamed the 'Steam Box' by fans. Yesterday Valve and Xi3 announced that the Half-Life creator and Steam mastermind had invested in the fledgling hardware company, and that the pair are working on a mini-PC aimed at living rooms with the codename 'Piston.'
For yonks, rumours have buzzed about Valve selling its own pre-built PC, fondly nicknamed the 'Steam Box' by fans. Yesterday Valve and Xi3 announced that the Half-Life creator and Steam mastermind had invested in the fledgling hardware company, and that the pair are working on a mini-PC aimed at living rooms with the codename 'Piston.'
The Piston is a diddy little PC intended to plug into your living room screen and run games in Steam's Big Picture mode. Xi3's thing is modular computers which you can upgrade by switching modules out, looking far less intimidating than upgrading a big desktop box. The company hasn't revealed Piston's specs yet, but told Polygon it's based on its X7A model.
Starting at around $1,000, the X7A packs a Quad-Core processor with 384-core integrated graphics, which I'd haphazardly guess is AMD's A10 series. It boasts 4GB or 8GB of RAM, oodles of USB ports, and four eSATAp ports for extra external storage. Now, Piston's specs and price won't necessarily line up, but this gives a fair idea of what to expect.
Xi3 attempted to Kickstart its boxes in 2012, but fell far short of the $250,000 crowd-funding goal. Exactly how much Valve invested in Xi3 and what it gets in return is unknown.
Valve head honcho Gabe Newell commented in December that bringing Steam to Linux would be a boon for its then-still-not-officially-announced living room PCs, so Linux should be an option. "Certainly our hardware will be a very controlled environment," he said at the time. "If you want more flexibility, you can always buy a more general purpose PC." Yep, that's the X7A all right.
So, Valve has the best PC digital distribution platform, which looks grand on televisions, and now a shiny little PC to sit in your living room. Interesting times ahead for PC gaming.
Here's a video from October, looking at Xi3's modular hardware:
[Story image snapped by Polygon, which has more photos too.]
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Alice O'Connor posted a new article, Valve's 'Steam Box' revealed as Xi3 Piston.
For yonks, rumours have buzzed about Valve selling its own pre-built PC, fondly nicknamed the 'Steam Box' by fans. Yesterday Valve and Xi3 announced that the Half-Life creator and Steam mastermind had invested in the fledgling hardware company, and that the pair are working on a mini-PC aimed at living rooms with the codename 'Piston.'-
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If you actually read the article above it says the X7A, which this will be based off of, is $1k.
The Piston is a diddy little PC intended to plug into your living room screen and run games in Steam's Big Picture mode. Xi3's thing is modular computers which you can upgrade by switching modules out, looking far less intimidating than upgrading a big desktop box. The company hasn't revealed Piston's specs yet, but told Polygon it's based on its X7A model.
Starting at around $1,000, the X7A packs a Quad-Core processor with 384-core integrated graphics, which I'd haphazardly guess is AMD's A10 series. It boasts 4GB or 8GB of RAM, oodles of USB ports, and four eSATAp ports for extra external storage. Now, Piston's specs and price won't necessarily line up, but this gives a fair idea of what to expect. -
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Yeah there were signifigant gains in Left 4 Dead 2 when they were testing. It's on the valve blog
http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/linux/faster-zombies/
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That will be heavily game dependent, but I doubt it's true for Valve's existing games, stuff like L4D or Portal run pretty darn well on virtually anything.
And at least one nvidia engineer I follow has been really liking coding for Linux in comparison:
http://timothylottes.blogspot.com/2013/01/kotaku-report-valves-steam-pc-getting.html
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according to this image:
http://www.engadget.com/gallery/xi3-x7a-modular-computer-hands-on-0/5546757/
its rated at 19V and 3.3A which means about 60W peak power.
Maybe 20W is for the low end device ? -
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Here are some benchmarks for its GPU. http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-HD-7660G.69830.0.html
Doesn't look pretty. -
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Here are some more solid specs: http://ces.cnet.com/8301-34439_1-57562655/xi3-announces-valve-investment-for-piston-gaming-pc/
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120 people apparently. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/262476727/xi3-help-us-usher-in-the-post-pc-era
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I think the idea of:
1. Buy game on Steam, download on PC
2. Tell Steam to download it to my Piston downstairs on the TV as well
3. Play game on my Piston downstairs
4. Wife wants to watch Keeping Up with the Real Housewives of Honey Boo Boo
5. Save game, turn off piston
6. Go upstairs, continue game where I left off
Games like Crysis would stink on it but wouldn't it be cool to have a less-intensive game be playable on both your TV and PC without much hassle?
"But you can do that today with a PC you build for your home theater"
Yes, you can do that, and I can do that, and valcan_s sure as shit can do that. But Joe Sixpack can't and he won't bother. He'll just buy an Xbox and the game on Xbox and not the PC and then publishers say "well hell, let's just cut off that PC port, it's only 10% of the market"
Wouldn't it be better if all this does is encourage normal people to buy more games on Steam?
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I hope they enter this with more of a PC mentality. Imagine 20 years from now, when you browse the steam store, you see that every game lists which Piston it is compatible with. Maybe the latest and greatest at that time would require you to buy a Piston 10, but would still be playable on a Piston 8 or 9. A casual gamer could still find the occasional new game that works on a Piston 1. You could upgrade on your own schedule, knowing that your steam account will always have value and all your games.
Still need a lot more information. Since it seems that it will be running on Linux, I wonder how much, if any of my current PC steam library would be playable on the device. I'm not particularly interested in a pure Valve console just yet. -
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This whole situation just doesn't make any sense. Why would valve collaborate with Nvidia to get linux performance up to snuff, then come out wiith an AMD-based steam PC? Nvidia would not have collaborated with Valve just to get sold out to a competitor for an upcoming Valve prdouct. I don't think this is the big steambox reveal. It's also way too underpowered for anyone to care, and at $1000 before subsidized, it's way too expensive.
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Repeat from other thread: I still don't know how they can pull this off without a lot more work on the software side. I play a lot of Steam games on my TV and the experience is far from optimal, so many games pop a launcher that requires mouse input, or launch with a default resolution my TV doesn't support. Forces me to use an app on my phone to control my PC temporarily, which ruins the point of having a big picture/controller mode in the first place.
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For a $1000 bucks.... probably not. Its a cool idea looks cool but not at that price it is all about the guts and software in my opinion.
You can build a ace comp quad core 3.2ghz, 16gig mem, 660 2gig, 128gig SSD etc for a $100 less and it will slaughter the Xi3 and be 100% up gradable, so what is the point?
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Pass, Valve mad Big Box already and there is Steam so really I am not sure of the point maybe I should make my own game rigs and sell it as a competition.
Unless they make a gaming OS or some special software that your games benefit from I can not see the point fro this hardware other than looking cool/small does nothing for the gamer.
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:) well the 40 watt is super impressive no doubt but as a gamer what do I care about that?
40 watt vs I can play any game now and in a few years at MAX in 1920x1080 and keep my computer and swap in a 800 or 9000 GPU in 2014 and still be ripping it.
What would you pick for that money? Don't get me wrong it is a engineering marvel no one is taking that away from them. But if you want a rig or console for games at that price long term and you want the juice for your games what are you going to pick? -
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BUT BUT ITS BUILT IN OBSOLESCENCE.. WAIT NO IT ISN'T
Seriously I didn't know wtf they were talking about with built in obsolescence. Nobody that upgrades their computer hardware would ever be dumb enough to buy that Xi3 piece of crap. When that company goes out of business good luck finding updated parts for it lol
There are amazingly attractive and grown up looking micro-atx cases that I would rather have than a goofy thing
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It looks like this isn't Valve's first party hardware. There is no Valve press involved in this.
Valve may have invested in these guys, but this is likely just one of the 3rd party boxes that will do something similar to what Valve is working on.
More discussion here:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1738470&page=2-
I don't think Valve is going to do first party hardware. It so far outside their usual area of expertise. I think it's a lot more likely that they partner with an established manufacturer or create a spec standard that anyone can build. "Steambox certified" or something.
I don't think a company that has only ever dealt in software would build something as complex and logistics heavy as a de facto console for their first entry into the hardware market.-
Yeah but the examples you're probably thinking of (Microsoft made the Microsoft Mouse before they put out the Xbox) were probably from companies that had lots of product lines. Valve just makes and distributes games, so it makes a little more sense that their first hardware entry would be something that helps facilitate their distribution.
But yeah I expect that if there ever is a first party Valve console it will be after they've partnered with several companies like this. Sort of like how Microsoft partnered with computer companies for years and then put out the Surface to compete with them. -
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I made a post about this not too long ago (also because I applied for that job), but I was never under the impression that Valve would do hardcore first-party PC development. The job postings and press releases/interviews all pointed at peripheral hardware and cutting-edge R&D.
All Valve would need to do is publish a reference spec to a 3rd party and have them produce the Piston. Anything Valve makes (haptic interface, biometric feedback peripheral) would then work with that device.
My guess is they are going the route of first-party peripherals to work with something like the Piston without having to create the SteamBox itself.-
That's what the article back in March said, but Gabe said last month:
"Newell said he's expecting a lot of different companies to release these types of packages—"We'll do it but we also think other people will as well," he told me—and that Valve's hardware might not be as open-source or as malleable as your average computer."
http://kotaku.com/5966860/gabe-newell-living-room-pcs-will-compete-with-next+gen-consoles
I dunno, to me that sounds pretty certain that they're working on their own first party hardware.
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I think it is a lot of info in year Interview new --> http://www.gamespot.com/team-fortress-2/videos/is-it-the-steam-box-or-not-qanda-with-xi3-6402107/
"Optimized for gameplay within steam in big picture mode" what ever that means?
Or I like what MercFox1 said that sounds about right, not what I thought they would do but I guess it makes sense.
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http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=21336405
Very small enclosure, quad core Intel CPU, 8 gigs of ram, 500 gig HD, and a nvidia GTX 660 graphics card. The only thing you can complain about on this is no SSD.
This Xi3 Piston is not the PC Valve is bringing to market. No way in hell. Valve would not collaborate with Nvidia on optimizing drivers and engine performance on Linux then end up using entirely different hardware. Makes ZERO sense. -
I see this as good in the sense as it will help fight the console's stranglehold on video games. The consoles have been holding back the graphics and physics in PC gaming for years now. We could have games looking close to that "Agni's Philosophy" tech demo if developers weren't developing first for 360 and PS3, then porting to PC.
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