Carmack sorry about performance of Rage on PC
Rage was a mess when it came out on PC in late 2011, and while patches improved the game, it still was frustrating to play. Id Software's John Carmack apologized to QuakeCon attendees on how "badly we handled the game in the PC space."
Rage was a mess when it came out on PC in late 2011, and while patches improved the game, it was still frustrating to play. id Software's John Carmack apologized to QuakeCon attendees on how "badly we handled the game in the PC space."
As part of his keynote, Carmack said that he was happy with Rage's gameplay, but that the company could have taken more time on things like the checkpoint save system and the weak ending. But he said it was "inexcusable" to release the game on PC when half the users could not play the game because of driver issues. "There's just no way to argue our way out of it."
He said that PC is far better as a platform when it is working right, but PC instability is always an issue when compared to consoles because of driver issues. "It was optimistic naivete. We tried to get the drivers to work the way they were supposed to, but we weren't smart about the fact that most people wouldn't have these drivers if everything had gone right."
He promised the company would do better going forward, even saying there was talk of making a Rage 2 to fix all the issues and do it right, but because of the company's limited resources, it was decided that all the efforts would focus on Doom 4.
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replyJohn Keefer posted a new article, Carmack sorry about performance of Rage on PC.
Rage was a mess when it came out on PC in late 2011, and while patches improved the game, it still was frustrating to play. Id Software's John Carmack apologized to QuakeCon attendees on how "badly we handled the game in the PC space."-
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there was livestream but media failed to report about it in time ... vods will come in a few days
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I have no idea why, but every year I have trouble finding a video of the keynote. And sometimes for weeks.
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Yeah I used my one time refund on this.
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you will see keynote and he does say again driver issue was mostly out of their control
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This is not logic, I don't know how you came up with that argument but it's completely useless.
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Not really, everyone else (including id in the past) have to contend with the same drivers. iD choose to pursue a technological approach that was problematic, and even decided to release the game knowing about the problems. Even if the drivers were the problem it would have been more classy to make consumers aware of the problem, or delay the product until compatible drivers were available.
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They were given pre-release drivers and were told they could count on them being made available at launch.
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Yes that is exactly what happened, congratulations detective.
So both NVIDIA and ATI released updated driver packages when Rage came out that were to include updated OpenGL support for the game. ATI's driver package contained a much older OpenGL driver than it was supposed to which caused all sorts of issues with the game for ATI users.-
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believe me i dont say anything im not 100 sure about ... shackdoubters still cant trust me but thats not my problem if we get to the facts
never judge a person by just one post or way of response-
We judge you by your enormous wealth of misinformed, crappy posts
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It's logical to assume that if one developer claims to have a legitimate driver issue, then to confirm this is true, every other developer should have the same problem? No, that is not logic.
And no, they weren't aware of the problems because the driver versions they were using worked fine on their end. And I'm calling bullshit on your claim that their approach was problematic - it works just fine after the patch. Are you saying we shouldn't try new techniques because the road travelled might be bumpy? I'll take the bumpy launch over the same old shit, thanks.
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yeah sometimes i tend to write ID because in my long big walls of text its kind of a eye helpwr to find points in text and all small case its harder to notice
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lol
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I think you really should know by now what you're getting if you buy a single-player id Software game. They haven't been relevant in that space for many, many, many years.
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Nope. Quake 1 was their last relevant sp game. Q3A their last relevant mp game. Q2 was only relevant due to the modding community IMO, but I know some will disagree since the mp was well-liked by some (not me).
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was well-liked by some (not me).
you're dead to me!!!! :)
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Not everyone has a problem with the whole game like you do. Also, he kind of did apologize for that, he was saying that the expectations for rage were closer to Fallout or Borderlands, and that was their error. I don't believe that's true though, because a lot of idiots jump to conclusions - they see a similar art style and environment, or similar features (inventory) and assume all sorts of bullshit. I guess everyone forgot that RAGE was in development long before borderlands was and before Fallout 3 was ever announced.
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I more had problems with the shoddy framerate and textures... also no SLI support. wtf :(
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I agree that no SLI support was non-sensical, but I'm pretty sure there was an update to support that.
However I think the textures were fine - while it would have been nice to see some crazy high res textures, there were so many good looking areas that I don't really care about a few pop cans or boxes with low res textures. The framerate was fixed immediately with the new drivers..
Honestly I think people get a little too hung up on buggy launches. Yeah, it does suck because you paid money and received a product that doesn't work correctly, but as long as those issues are resolved with speed, the developers hardly deserve the stupid things people say about them now, ie. "Carmack should retire!". Just immature responses.-
nope SLI is still not supported and I still can't hold 60fps in this game even with GTX680 SLI. It is stutter as hell and nearly unplayable for me! :(
Not sure if it is a GTX600 problem or the game
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Too bad that when this whole shit was happening Carmack was like "RAGE is fine you should use the new drivers" and "We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games" and "hey look at my rocket".
Their focus on consoles is what caused the issues for RAGE. I understand it from business perspective, but hearing now how he's trying to make amends with PC crowd on quakecon... I'm not buying it. DOOM 4 will be the same story - made for consoles, PC will get a cheap port.
I still love RAGE and have respect for John, but this is all too little too late, and kinda bullshit too.-
Rage wasn't "ported" to the PC, so why would Doom 4 be?
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They focused on achieving 60 fps on 360 during development, PC was more of an afterthought.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-06-13-rage-two-thirds-sales-to-be-on-console
I also remember they presented the game on PAX East using 360 and a gamepad - not the best way to introduce id game.-
It was simultaneously developed on all three platforms. You can claim Rage was "consolized," but it was by no means a "port" (unless that word has no meaning anymore).
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I was initially warned when id's lead designer commented that they culled content from 4-5 major zones to 2 so they could better use the 6-8 GB of the 360. I was further warned with Carmack's QuakeCon keynote being about the glory of memory addressing on consoles giving him the freedom he no longer has on PCs. I was lastly warned when id's CEO predicted that PC sales of Rage would be 1/3 to 1/4 of all sales, and had PC testing done with a 360 controller.
An appropriate apology from Carmack and id for Rage would be a free patch for PC, fixing the majority of engine issues and adding significantly more content, paired with a large and permanent price reduction for PC versions of Rage. An appropriate promise for Doom 4 would be isolating PC testing from console testing, a pre-release demo for PC, and not releasing on PC if they can't make a respectable version.
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They really should've built more than just 1 Hell level. That was by far the best level in that game.
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Me too, although it could have been better if they sticked to what they showed in the alpha
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I liked Doom 3, but I feel like Dead Space is what it should have been. DS really knocked the space horror thing out of the park, IMO
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It was a very good game.
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I'm reminded again that you are one of the coolest shackers.
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It amazes me the irony of how often I have to defend Doom 3, considering my anger at the announcement and subsequent excessive whining that they'll 'get it wrong' was so bad it heavily contributed to a 2 year long ban...
TLDR here is, Doom 3 didn't need lots of monsters, it didn't need music - that shitty bullshit serious sam gameplay has aged and id didn't impliment it rightfully so. Doom 3 got the ATMOSPHERE of Doom 1 (specifically ep1) down to a fucking T. and as far as I'm concerned, Doom was all about atmosphere.
Doom 3 was good, the only problem is it was so scary I had trouble playing it.
Also, it STILL looks good maxed out on a PC - god knows how many years later.
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Colorful and cartoony !!! Please no, there's Serious Sam if you're looking for such a thing.
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Relative to today's graphics, they are. There's lots of solid blues and reds and bright green, even if it's on a backdrops of brownish. http://images.wikia.com/doom/images/2/2d/DoomPalette0.PNG
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So... Serious Sam 3: BFE?
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danws6 fell down some stairs.
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I enjoyed RAGE enough, granted I waited till I could pick up a copy at 20 bucks.
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I'm glad he apologized, it does mean something. I think it's also clear that RAGE is a dead end and really not worth the time it takes to play though it. I *love* the engine though, when it's fixed.
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I just finished rage on PC picked up in the Steam Sale. At first I kind of dug it. Yeah texture popping was annoying, but man they had good performance and the graphics were awesome. Liked the direction.
The gameplay was sorta fun for awhile, but man the ending? WTF was that? No lead up, everyhting you did was pointless. Such a shame-
They clearly just ran out of time. They built that whole sewer city thing, which should have been a really cool quest hub, but they apparently just didn't have time to add content to it to make it meaningful. You gotta ship sometime I guess.
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Yeah I just got to subway town and I don't know if I feel like finishing it, it's pretty bland honestly.
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Bought the game for $10 on the Steam sale (avoided it in the begining due to the issues on PC). They can apologize but if they really wanted to generate more revenue show a little love (and support) for the PC. I followed this game for years and I would have purchased it within the first week of release.
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Was? Still is.
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Sorry for the performance but "was happy with Rage's gameplay".
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If that was qualified with "happy with Rage's FPS mission segments", I'd say "Yeah, it was pretty good", but as a whole, it was like "Fallout 3 Lite With A Dash of Mario Kart". It makes me think that they didn't have many "outside-the-bubble" playtesters testing mock-ups of the whole experience, which should've been possible even with the demo they had in QuakeCon 2009 (a section of the Wasteland big map, with parts between Wellspring and the Shrouded Clan base).
Back in 2009, when I saw that demo, I thought it was okay in the non-FPS segments, pretty damn good in the FPS mission segment, but I thought it was going to be cleaned up and streamlined a bit. If someone had time-traveled and said, "Hey, it's going to play exactly like that for 8 hours, plus about 4 mandatory annoying cart races", I would've been disappointed.
I like Rage; it's a bit of a flawed gem, though most of the flaws (car races, dialogue sections, boring economy) get in the way of what I love (FPS missions, buying as much ammo as I want for the fun weapons), and I still sigh at wasted opportunities (no non-vehicular hub world combat; at least throw a couple hordes of mutants running around so I can run over them, or jump out of my buggy, hide behind it for cover, and take down some muties with the assault rifle).
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