Dark Souls devs say Games for Windows discussion 'ongoing'
Namco Bandai is dropping hints that it may consider a different digital platform for Dark Souls: Prepare to Die, after fans reacted to seeing the Games for Windows Live logo on the box.
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die is the long-awaited PC port of the hardcore console title, but PC fans were none-too-pleased by the "Games for Windows Live" logo that appeared with the announcement. Producer Daisuke Uchiyama seems at least receptive to change, claiming that the partnership talks aren't set in stone.
"[Live] is the established server that we used for the Xbox 360 version - that's the main reason we picked it," Uchiyama told Edge. "But the partnership decision is still ongoing. We might have another announcement soon regarding the platform we'll be using."
Marketing head Carlson Choi also remarked that since the game isn't due until August, "there is still a lot of time for marketing beats." That implies more announcements to come, which PC stalwarts hope means Steamworks.
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die will add a new chapter, two new bosses and various new enemies, a PVP matchmaking system, a new NPC, and additional weapons and armor. All those fancy extras should make the game easier, so we shouldn't feel that the subtitle is foreboding at all, right?
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Namco Bandai is dropping hints that it may consider a different digital platform for Dark Souls: Prepare to Die, after fans reacted to seeing the Games for Windows Live logo on the box.-
Seriously, GFWL is TERRIBLE. A console interface on a PC, absolutely freaking redonkulous.
Hope the dev's just make the sensible choice and put it on Steam. Long live Steam!-
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How does a company with infinite money seem to fuck up everything they touch?
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Despite a few stumbles like possible GFWL integration and few graphical upgrades, Namco/From are doing a fantastic job of listening to community feedback. They seem to have genuinely embraced the community's desires and are working hard to give them what they want. I already own the game on PS3 and hope the new content becomes available as DLC, but even if it does, I'll still buy the PC version to support Namco/From's ongoing effort to support me.
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I'm buying it and I won't even have time to play it.
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This is starting to feel like a giant troll. First they listen to the nerds and port it to PC. Then they entertain the idea of shifting digital platforms because the nerds said so. WHAT NEXT?
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Probably making shitloads of money comes next.
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I love that this is happening. This is how more companies should act (ones that want to make money, at least). Announce some shit -> Gauge potential customers' reaction -> React accordingly.
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I wonder how MS feels about everyone hating on GFWL
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Maybe they should look at why people hate it and try to fix that.
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Yep, branding is clearly all that is happening here.
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There is nowhere near the universal hatred toward Battle.net that there is toward GFWL.
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It's amazing the amount of shit you are willing to put up with.
Why is it whining to demand that a product not suck my hairy cock everytime I try to use it? -
Clearly that's it, it has nothing to do with GFWL being a massive piece of shit.
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It's because it offers nothing for the consumer except a big pain in the ass. Its overlay is clunky, its updates/failures to log in siezing the game up, and I've heard of grief in that you can't use the same account on an XBox as the PC at the same time, which is an issue to some people.
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Yeah the overlay is pretty clunky last time I used it. It wasn't too bad for DoW2. I don't understand the same account on Xbox and PC though, wouldn't you just log in as yourself? Are people watching netflix on their xbox while they play games on the PC? I guess it's possible.
It seems like they're using it for multiplayer since the work was already done with the 360 version. Doesn't make sense to rebuild from the ground up for a PC port when the work is pretty much all done. They'd probably end up spending more than the sales they'd lose from the vocal minority that would actually stick to their guns and not buy it because of GFWL.-
This sounds like a somewhat unfounded conjecture.
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While unlikely, it's entirely possible that a pc gamer may have a boyfriend or girlfriend that wants to watch Netflix or play a game while they're playing on the pc without logging out of the x-box.
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I like other systems that are not Steam. GFWL still sucks.
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that's not really the only thing that's wrong with it.
actually of all the out steam-like services on PC, it's one of the few that has the potential to actually be a really great steam competitor if they put an effort into it. They won't, though because they're too afraid of it cannibalizing xbox software sales. -
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Yea except gauging customer reaction based on a small subset of customers that is super vocal and obnoxious on the internet does not mean they are actually catering to 95% of the people that are actually going to buy the product.
Not that I love GFWL or anything, I'd prefer Steam. Just saying that whiners and petitioners on the internet are not a representation of a majority of customers.-
I think marginalizing your "vocal internet minority" would have disastrous results financially.
We're the ones who are most aware of the game. We're the most sensitive to any kind of issue hampering its release.
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Also, the Dark Souls petition got 100k sigs. I dunno what small subset of people you're talking about. This is the Internet age we live in now.
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Yeah, but if the majority of customers don't care enough to say anything then they probably don't give much of a shit either way. The vocal minority are probably the people most likely to influence word of mouth sales, for good or bad.
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Steam or go home.
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i hope they use gamefly, just to make everyones heads explode
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*gamespy. dammit. i fail :(
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It's ok, I still hated the idea so you succeeded.
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These guys really seem to give into peer pressure a lot.
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Fuck yes, sir.
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This is good to hear. I will be buying the game in any case, but it is nice that they are listening and considering.
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ENTITLED PC GAMERS
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How is this now our fault, and not From Software's?
When did we suggest they use GFWL?-
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I really don't think there is anything wrong with demanding a quality product. Yes, straight up fucking DEMANDING that shit.
What makes it seem weird, I think, is that very few companies will actually listen to their consumers like From appear to be doing.
So no, I don't think we look like asshats at all.-
Did you see the hubub yesterday (or day before or something) about the screenshots they released? People bitching that they didn't do enough to improve the game for PC. Plus people have been dissing them for not spending a ton of effort on mouse and keyboard. Now we're all up in arms about it using the devil GFWL. Even if it is justified, every time they release the smallest bit of info about this game, some segment of our glorious pc gaming master race throws a tantrum dwarf fortress style. I don't disagree with any of it, but to an outsider, esp. to a dirty console gaming peasant, we're really living up to the stereotype here.
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Well no shit - if every bit of news they release is terrible of course people are going to be pissed about it.
The things people are pissed about are things that every PC port should include. No excuses. PC ports have been shoddy in the past - guess how much money they made for the company's time and effort?
It is in the best interest of both the developers and the consumers to be on the same page here.
How is it hard to understand that PC gamers aren't going to line up in droves to pay $50 for a half ass port?-
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That's not at all what he was implying or saying. This kind of sarcastic post is unnecessary.
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My theory: Namco never expected to do much better than break even on the PC release, so they're like 'oh, you psychos still have a problem? Whatever, guess we're still figuring out what to do. We'll see. As long as it doesn't cost us any, maybe we'll go to Steam instead.'
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PC GAMERS: "We'd like to play Dark Souls on the PC."
NAMCO: "We'll look into it."
PC GAMERS: "Thanks."
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NAMCO: "We're bringing Dark Souls to the PC due to popular demand"
PC GAMERS: "Yay!"
NAMCO: "And it will use GFWL."
PC GAMERS: "Oh. Is there any way you could use Steam instead? See, I don't know if you're aware but GFWL stinks."
NAMCO: "We'll look into it."
PC GAMERS: "Thanks."
You can look at the petition as whiny fucks or you could see it as the PC gaming community's collective method of bringing attention to the issues they find important.
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5 Install limit..... Seriously. :( What the heck?!
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i know mine crashed during a gfwl update and took me an hour or so to get running
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I seem to be repeating myself in this thread, but I don't see it so much as 'complaining actually works'...I'd like to think of it as From Software realizing that actually listening to your customers and giving them what they want will prove to be a successful venture.
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Exactly, what company wants to piss of their customers? Well besides EA, because they just don't care.
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Thats a ridiculous comment to make.
Well you should be thankfull we're selling this product to you, you werent even supposed to have it. So take it as it is or shut the fuck up.
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How amazing would it be if their reaction to the GFWL petition and the people bitching about PC controls were simply "fuck it, you guys are too high maintenance, we're out."
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Lol the PR nightmare of backing out of an announcement like that would be a wonder to behold. It would wake ancient, Lovecraftian creatures from the internet thirsty for blood.
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I would love to see the reaction, especially if they just stood by their guns and kept saying "you guys aren't worth it"
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Haha you're proving why it would be such an amazing spectacle
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You could probably make a game about that
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Yeah, I'd probably spend $50 on it, if it was done properly.
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Probably overpaying for hitting the resolution switch and pressing the 'MAX GRAFX' button. at the same time
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I'm basically enamored with the news cycle of pc gaming at this point.
The dude from From said they weren't adding additional graphical features & options. This statement wasn't well explained, but was picked up by the blogs where people commenting on it took it to mean they were locking the game at 720p resolution and 30 fps. The blogs then reported on the conjecture from their own comment sections saying the game was 720p and 30 fps locked. Other news sites then started reporting the "rumor" that the game was 720p locked at 30fps.
This devolves into some of the backlash we see today. If it comes out that the game isn't going to be fps or resolution locked then it'll likely be spun as a huge win for the pc gaming community against dumbass greedy developers, whether they had any impact or not.-
Is it really a rumor? Someone on a Gaf linked an interview with famitsu and writes:
i{- Miyazaki says that the base game is intended to be a straight port with no change in resolution and he specifically says not to expect 60 fps. This is probably his most controversial statement, because it does seem to suggest that it will run at a locked resolution and framerate. Until he clarifies further, I do feel that is the intended message to manage expectations.}i
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It's not a rumor. It's been confirmed: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/namco-and-from-software-in-an-attempt-to-kill-their-own-game-dark-souls-pc-to-be-locked-on-30fps/
So walker can go on to mocking people about something else now as it turned out everyone was right to jump down Namco's throat about this.
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dude, i play PS3 games on my PC by holding down Shift when the disc spins up
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open ps3 demon's souls
please run on windows
please run on mac
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uh, yeah, porting hello world doesn't count.
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I agree. it would be a netflix style reversal. full project cancellation, namco puts on shades and goes... DEAL WITH IT .
plus, simply thinking about switching from GWFL isn't going to placate the audience for long. they opened the pandoras box of shitheel PC folks. we see texture whining, controls, pretty much everything. I'm sure people will want quicksave as well and wonder why that wasn't included! -
The problem with that (hahaha, our customers suck!) is that this is not From Software's position. They've said, clearly, that they want to do this well. The requirements are coming down from their publisher (Namco) who does not want them to put in the effort.
It would be the equivalent of Volition saying SR4 will be locked to 30 FPS and only 720p because you guys (Take Two) forced them into it.
You guys would look like complete tools, just as Namco does right now. Luckily for us you (take two) know better.
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how big would your boner be
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At this rate it'll become Episode 3
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well that was an embarrassment of its own
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After trying to get Batman: AC to run last night, I don't want to spend the same amount of time with every GFWL game... fuck that noise.
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