EA: Crysis 2 pulled from Steam over DLC
EA has explained why Valve pulled Crysis 2 from Steam, while also revealing a little more on its plans for Origin.
Last month, Crysis 2 mysteriously vanished from Steam just as publisher EA was talking about securing more "exclusives" for its own new digital distributor, Origin. This turned out to be a rather unhappy coincidence for EA, who later explained that "Steam has imposed a set of business terms" incompatible with an agreement developer Crytek had with "another download service." Thus, Crysis 2 was ejected from Steam, EA said, not pulled. But why, exactly?
Speaking to Gamasutra, EA senior VP of global e-commerce David DeMartini has now explained the situation. Crysis 2 was taken down, he says, because its downloadable content was sold through rival service Direct2Drive, and not through Steam, denying Valve a slice of the pie.
Presumably, the "agreement with another download service which violates [Steam's] new rules" which EA spoke of in June was a DLC exclusivity deal with Direct2Drive. This would suggest that Valve's policy change was to require DLC be sold through it as well.
"That would, I guess, be a situation where two partners didn't see eye to eye, and by their choice, they were going to take that product down because they were insisting that the DLC be available through Steam," DeMartini said.
However, an exclusivity deal would be contrary to EA's "policy on selling games on third-party download sites," which was revealed yesterday, and which DeMartini introduced with a blog post.
"At EA, we believe in choice," the policy states. "We want our products in all the places gamers go to download the best games and services." With the exception of DLC, it seems.
Something's wonky somewhere. Shacknews has contacted Valve and EA for comment and further clarification.
DeMartini also revealed that EA plans to integrate its Origin platform into many of its games in future. "Every one of the significant franchises is working with us to integrate more and more between the game and Origin," he said. Presumably this will come in the form of auto-updating, friend list integration, DLC sales, and such--services already offered by Steam.
DeMartini said that while "I am absolutely not at this point saying, 'hey, it's Origin versus Steam,' It's never been about that," he does foresee more potential conflicts with Valve in the future.
"They're really smart, they've done a great job with Steam, and I just find it interesting that some of the ways they've built their business are specifically some of the areas of conflict between us on a going forward basis," he explained.
"Occasionally, you just both feel very strongly about a position that you believe in, and that doesn't mean you've lost any respect for each other--it's fundamentally you don't agree on how a certain thing should be handled." he added, "In this particular case, we feel incredibly strongly about our responsibility on a going-forward basis as it relates to our own IP."
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EA has explained why Valve pulled Crysis 2 from Steam, while also revealing a little more on its plans for Origin.-
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Alright.. starting to sound like bullshit, and funky cover ups. I'm noticing that valve, being awesome, hasn't come out acting like EA are bastards.
Valve has me 100%, and I'm sure of that. I won't be buying any game on any other game download service, ever.
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It's not "choice" when you're forced to create an EA.com account, and must buy DLC from an in-game store that requires an EA.com account. If I don't want to give personal details to EA, I can't buy their games, since they have so much pride, they don't want to send update / DLC content to Valve to bundle into Steam updates and DLC packages.
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I don't understand how this situation is different than some of the other games being sold on Steam. Bioshock 2 DLC is exclusive to GFWL marketplace, Mirror's Edge DLC is exclusive to EA, Mass Effect DLC is exclusive to EA/Bioware website.... Please explain how those situations are different than Crysis 2 DLC being exclusive to another service?
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That's evidence enough. Valve are keeping their mouths shut while all the Steam apologists are brainlessly defending Valve based on what? Because you like Steam.
EA have made a statement, Valve have not. Until Valve do, the sensible thing to do is to either trust EA on this or shut up and wait for more evidence to come in. I'm not saying that EA aren't lying, I'm just saying that the evidence presented (in the form of their statements) suggest otherwise.
Calling EA's lier's based on "I like Steam Valve will never do anything wrong" is just plain idiotic.
Not that I care either way but some of the the comments here are just scary.
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I don't really care whether Valve ejected the game or EA pulled it. For me, the question that isn't being answered acceptably is why Crysis 2 was removed while other games that don't offer DLC through Steam (Fable 3, the Mass Effect and Dragon Age franchises, etc.) are untouched. If DLC exclusivity was the sticking point then quite a few other games would be gone as well...but they're not. The fact that EA has repeatedly failed to provide a straightforward answer to this question is less than encouraging and a big reason why people are shitting on them.
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Currently there is no evidence and this is not a trial. EA is going on and on about defending themselves and pointing wobbly fingers at Steam - instead of just being clear as in "We broke the Crysis 2 contract with Steam because we made a DLC exclusivity deal with D2D whilst offering Crysis 2 on Steam as well, thus neglecting the new terms of Service. That is why Crysis 2 got removed from Steam."
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I don't see a reason to boycott EA games but I don't see a reason to pay the $60 premium to help them fund their desperate little anti-piracy fortress or whatever you want to call it. When BF3 is cheap enough, I'll buy in. There are plenty of companies out there making great games that actually provide value to the end user whereas all EA is doing right now is trying to benefit themselves.
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I don't have any problems with Valve pulling the game. EA made an exclusive deal for DLC and Valve is saying if you want your game on OUR platform then make it all available. Valve developed STEAM, is paying the money to run and support the service and promote games like Crysis 2. In turn they get a cut of sales. Quid pro quo EA. If EA doesn't want to play the game then they have to deal with the consequences. Its Valve's platform.
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What load of bullshit. Looks like EA is trying retake its place as the "Asshole Publisher of The Century" from Activision. Not just by beating them in sales but by employing the same business tactics as they do too. First they insult the modding community and now they're lying through their teeth. I have already written off Battlefield 3 and The Old Republic because of this. Go eat shit and die!
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I dont see either as right or wrong in this case. Valve changed their policy to have anything new with DLC have it possible to be bought through steam.
A valid point for Valve: I bought Battlefield Bad Company 2 on D2D on a sale once, and went to go buy Vietnam when the summer camp sale on steam came out. I could not. Only valve copies of BF:BC2 can use the valve copies of the DLC and thats shitty. A lost sale for everyone (as its not worth the 15 dollars i'd have to pay from D2D or EA for it.)
A second valid point for Valve: I HAD TO FUCKING BUY STUPID FUCKING BIOWARE POINTS FOR THE FUCKING PC DLC AND NOW I HAVE LIKE 9 POINT 7 OF THEM LEFT WHICH MEANS EA HAS MY MONEY IN ESCROW FOR SOME SPECIFIC GAME THAT IM NEVER GOING TO GET BACK. FUCK MICROSOFT/ BIOWARE / EA /NINTENDO POINTS AND JUST LET ME FUCKING BUY IT WITH THE PROPER AMOUNT OF MONEY.
A valid point for EA: It's their fucking content and they can do as they please. If they do shitty things that fuck over the end user, they'll probably hurt for it in the end.-
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no, the apple in-app subscription thing was that you could ONLY do it through the app-store. They eventually changed it to say that if you do it outside the app store, then you have to have the ability to do it inside the app store as well. The latter is what we are talking about with the steam policy (apparently?). If you sell the DLC outside of valve, you also have to sell it inside of valve (or at least that's my interpretation of what squigilwams said).
Also, yes. Fuck the whole EA points bullshit. That said, there was a way to do it such that you could buy all the Mass Effect DLC without having points left over (but you had to go through the Dragon Age section of the store to buy points in different denominations). It was completely stupid that you had to work at it to only spend the amount of money you wanted to spend.
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Valve got this one wrong.
I can vouch for the fact that Crysis 2 DLC sales do not go through Direct2Drive.
Crysis 2's DLC store is powered by Direct2Game, Gamespy's in-game commerce engine, (which should be obvious by our logo all over the in-game DLC store).
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