EA building Origin 'exclusives' [Update: didn't pull Crysis 2 from Steam]
EA plans to have more games exclusive to its own recently-relaunched digital distribution store Origin. It was initially thought that EA pulled Crysis 2 from Steam as part of this plan, but that's since been denied.
[Update: 11:10] EA has told Giant Bomb that it didn't pull Crysis 2 from Steam. Rather, Crytek's shooter was pushed out by new Steam terms.
"It's unfortunate that Steam has removed Crysis 2 from their service," a company representative said. "This was not an EA decision or the result of any action by EA."
Steam has imposed a set of business terms for developers hoping to sell content on that service – many of which are not imposed by other online game services. Unfortunately, Crytek has an agreement with another download service which violates the new rules from Steam and resulted in its expulsion of Crysis 2 from Steam.
[Original] Following EA's recent launch of Origin, its rebranding of the EA Store digital distribution site, the publisher has made a bit of a bid for power. EA has pulled Crysis 2 from Valve's wildly popular rival store Steam, and revealed plans to have more games exclusive to Origin.
Crysis 2 had been available on Steam since its launch in March but has now vanished. EA's site curiously lists Crytek's shooter as being "only on Origin," but other digital stores including Direct2Drive and Amazon are still selling it. A digital copy from Amazon is $8 cheaper, too.
Spicy Horse's Alice: Madness Returns, which launched in North America yesterday, is listed as being "Only available on Origin until June 17th." This too is still available on other sites. So far, it seems only Steam is being targeted, though it still sells plenty of other EA games.
This is all part of EA's grand plans to for Origin as a bona fide "platform," which company president Frank Gibeau has explained in an interview with GamesIndustry.biz.
"For us it's really about, we're the worldwide leader in packaged goods publishing, we'd like to be the worldwide leader in digital publishing," Gibeau said.
"We are going to continue to be great partners for our retail channel partners as they evolve their business models to account for digital," he explained. "But at the same time you talk about platform exclusives like Halo or Uncharted, EA's going to have some of our own platform exclusives."
"We think that EA has unique strengths there related to what we can do with our content, because we're a content creator as well as a retailer in this business. But in general it's not just a retail site, it's a community, it's a platform, it has traits much like you see with Steam or PSN or Xbox Live, but it's unique to EA."
Comparing the entire online aspect of consoles to a digital distributor which only sells PC published by one single company might seem baffling, but evidently EA's thinking big. Origin already has rudimentary social features, though nowhere near those offered by Steam, and EA plans to expand them. It's not entirely hostile toward other digital distributors, though.
"I think long-term you'll see we believe in reach so we will have other digital retailers for out products because we want to reach as many audiences as possible," Gibeau said. "But at the same time if we can use exclusive content or other ideas to help grow our audience then we're going to do that because we're growing a platform."
Origin will also be the only digital store selling BioWare's MMORPG Star Wars: The Old Republic, EA revealed when it relaunched the site, which Gibeau explains as because "we're trying to build an audience for Origin. And it's also an opportunity for us to better manage the downloads and how we bring people over from the beta and that sort of thing.
One wonders how all this might affect EA's relationship with Valve, who's used EA to distribute retail versions of its games for several years now.
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Alice O'Connor posted a new article, EA pulls Crysis 2 from Steam, building Origin 'exclusives'.
EA plans to have more games exclusive to its own recently-relaunched digital distribution store Origin, and has made the unusual move of pulling Crysis 2 from competitor Steam.-
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It's not like they ever fixed that bug at the end of Crysis 1 that could wind up with an unfinishable game, so what makes you think there will be any patches for Crysis 2?
But the DX11 update they are working on had better be made available for those steam users.. (as well as any patches that may come out)
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HEY PEOPLE
This is your chance to show EA that what they're doing by excluding where their games are sold from is a mistake. If you choose NOT to buy ANY of their products, they will eventually cave in and not make their titles exclusive to Origin. The more we stand up to this, the sooner they will release that they are making a mistake. -
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I don't really want another account specifically for EA games. I am perfectly fine with Origin existing and I get why they are doing what they are doing, but I would just prefer to buy all my shit on Steam. That's where all my games already are. I have bought literally three non-Steam PC games in the last five years, one of them was a gift, the other was purchasing a second copy of a game I already owned on Steam (wanted to support the dev) and the other was Minecraft.
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The issue is not that Origin exists, the issue is that they are making their titles exclusive to Origin and are not going to be selling them on Steam. I do not want to have to manage several clients for my games. Steam does an excellent job for me and I do not want or need another client, especially when it is only for 1 publisher.
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1. I like Steam and almost my entire PC game collection since it launched is on Steam. I don't want to change services.
2. I don't trust EA in the slightest, especially after a stunt like this, and trust is very important when it comes to spending money on digital ownership.
3. I think they'll cave eventually and when they do I'll buy it on Steam.
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Publishers really don't "get it" do they. EA was doing so good compared to the EA of old. I guess they didn't want Kotick getting all the negative attention. Naming their download service after one of the companies they bought and destroyed was definitely on purpose. I can't wait to see how they rape the Bullfrog and Westwood names.
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I think, that long-term I'm not going to buy the PC version of Crysis2 until there's a dx11 patch and the graphics don't look like a dx9 port. I also think that I don't need a second game client like steam using up memory when all it offers are games from one publisher. I think that EA needs to rethink what they thought PC gamers want. Or is origin going to have Vent support built into the client?
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A sensible thread I started on EA's forums. Please contribute to it: http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/0/6987657.page#15274017
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Do you:
a) Buy the "limited edition" physical disc to get Karkland for "free"
b) Pre-Order via Origin to get Karkland AND weapon/addons for "free"
c) Boycott because you cannot get this via Steam
I'm on the C train, honestly. As much as I like to have all the weapons/addons, I cannot support B. At this point, I'm a lot closer to A and I really don't want to own a physical copy. -
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Mine is the same, I already had an EA account for something in the past. I created a thread on EA's forums voicing my opinion of this situation. Please contribute to the thread if you feel the same.
http://forum.ea.com/eaforum/posts/list/0/6987657.page#15274017-
Thanks for the link, but I can't "sign" on it as I'd still buy from their store. I'm not "OMG EA IS THE HOTNESS" or anything. It's just another way to get to my games. I buy mainly based on price. If they don't have the price I like, they won't get my money. It's not really incentive for them to change having it available on only one digital distribution platform.
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Many consumers with Steam that have bought EA games off it in the past will likely care, if only due to the hassle of managing a separate service with different policies.
Given that EA wants those customers, the concept of a boycott isn't completely stupid, but it's probably difficult to arrange with any amount of success. -
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It wasn't really EA's retarded belief that a digital sale meant one single download, they partnered with Digital River (as did a few other companies, like Telltale) to handle digital distribution who had the "download insurance" crap, who they then subsequently dropped at the first available opportunity.
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I'll really miss Steam for BF3. Not having an online FPS linked into the number one online PC gaming network is beyond retarded.
The main thing I hate about the EA store is that it'll encourage copycat stores from other publishers. I don't want EA, Ubisoft, Activision and god knows who else all having their own store apps running. I just want to run Steam!
The crazy thing is, I was waiting until a decent Steam sale to buy Crysis 2. I know they had it once already but I was planning on seeing how deep they discounted it for Xmas. If I don't have a Steam sale to remind me I'll probably just forget about it.
I mean, how stupid is it to take your product away from the place where people spend money? This is just so arrogant. -
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Sadly I agree with this. As much we would like to stand on a soapbox and vent, the game is changing. Larger companies want a direct and exclusive piece of the digital download pie even though it sucks for organization and personal preference.
On a side note, I tried Origin last night and expected my copy of BF2142 to be missing. I purchased it from EA Downloader years ago. Surprisingly enough it was available... but under an old and defunct email address. Too bad I couldn't find a way to change an address in the program. :P -
Boycott are essentially "voting with your money", what else do you think EA as a publisher cares about? Forum feedback? One sale to/fro isn't going to register, no, of course not. Especially as they push so much with much wider appeal than the typical "core" gamer. But still, why would you voluntarily hand over money to a company you loathe? For products that are non-essential, and just a part of a much larger market, of which there are plenty of products to pick from for every niche without ever coming near one from one publisher or the other
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Sigh. I get the financial reasons they're doing this. But, history has so many examples of where increasing your distribution results in more sales than limiting it to increase profit margins.
The odd thing is that these kinds of wars are usually won by submission of the masses. Yet, for the games we can guess that will get this same exact treatment, the Shack-crowd is a larger percentage of the buyers and they just gave us all the finger. . . "Yes, I know the finger, Goose."
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I had no interest in Crysis...but i was planning on getting SW: TOR. Now i wont be.
Didnt like the idea of Origin to begin with, and them doing this just confirms my doubts.
EA games have always been the most frustrating when it came to activation/DRM protection and just overall hassle. No way i am signing up for their digital distribution store.
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Here is my big gripe with all of this.
EA's digital distribution service only allows you a very small window to download the installer. After this window is gone, it will cost you another 5 dollars.
I am not sure how small the window is but with steam, I can download and uninstall the game as much as I want. I don't have to worry about the installer as it is readily available from steam.
If uninstall a game and lose the installer or if my hard drive dies, why punish myself?
The only good thing I can see coming from this is a lot a sales on Origin since no one is going to buy into their BS. -
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EA came out why Crysis 2 was removed from Steam - http://www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis-2-and-others-disappear-from-steam-eas-relationship-with-steam-unknown-updated/3382/
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A dick move, but I understand their thought process. Steam only really took off because it had a killer game like Half Life 2 that required it. I imagine EA are wanting something similar to kick start their new service. The two mistakes they've made however are that A) While Crysis 2 is a good game, it's not Half Life 2, and B) They should have waited and used a new game like Battlefield or Mass Effect 3 as their exclusive. Taking something away from someone always makes you look like a dick.
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UPDATE: Electronic Arts has responded to my questions regarding its current relationship with Steam, claiming Crysis 2 was not removed from Steam because EA asked. Instead, EA claims Steam "imposed a set of business terms" that resulted in an existing agreement Crytek had regarding Crysis 2 that "violates the new rules," resulting in the "expulsion" of Crysis 2.
Stolen from: http://www.giantbomb.com/news/crysis-2-and-others-disappear-from-steam-eas-relationship-with-steam-unknown-updated/3382/-
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They both sell digital games on the PC platform.
They're competitors. They happen to also work together. Like how you can purchase the Orange Box off Origin.
The login thing makes that overtly obvious. They both require online logins. D2D is a competitor to steam and GFW, but does not require a login.
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Actually, I would bet that its related to pre-orders and EA not allowing things to show up on steam till after all their preorder business is done. Didn't they not allow Crysis 2 pre-orders till their pre-order promotions were done, thus screwing over anyone who wanted to get it on steam? Or was this a different game?
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Its really a loss in EAs side, because they are going to loose a lot of sales of Alices Madness Returns, that they would have gotten if it was on steam too.
And im one of those sales they are loosing, because i refuse to use origin and i don't really like the idea of having to have the dvd on the drive while playing, it looks archaic to me.
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Dreamworks has gotten a lot better.
It's more like ... not even Fox is that bad. Uh.. Vanguard Animation vs Pixar
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try checking your facts first, hotshot: http://store.origin.com/store/ea/en_US/pd/productID.81565900/sac.true
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The orange box, and the others listed here: http://store.origin.com/store/ea/search/?keywords=valve appear to be physical retail copies available for purchase. I don't think Lung Fu Mo Shi is incorrect when he says that Valve games are not available on any other digital download service.
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ovrlrd summed it up well enough: http://www.shacknews.com/chatty?id=26110323
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Valve is for all intents and purposes a digital distribution company that just occasionally releases a game or two. However, it's true that a lot of friction would be eliminated with EA and others if the Valve's game creation operations and Steam operations were split into separate corporate entities.
That said, the market circumstances when Steam was created were very different from now with Origin's creation. It's not a very fair comparison.
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Probably one of the best one-liner summaries of why this is bad:
"Ladies and gentlemen, the PC equivalent of the console wars is about to begin, and anyone can play!"
-- Jim Sterling, http://www.destructoid.com/electronic-arts-planning-platform-exclusives-on-origin-203825.phtml -
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Valve has finally lost it, asking developers to sign terms saying they can't sell with other digital distributors.
We the gamers have let Steam corner the market and now Valve wants to make a power play with Steam.
I give Crytek props for putting their awesome game up for sale on every digital distribution channel that will have them. ANd their in-game store is the way DLC should be distributed, Crytek gets to keep the profit for what why make and not give it to Valve.
Valve can eat a bowl of dicks.
Don't let Steam get too big folks, Valve already has enough money. Digital distribution houses should not impose terms on publishers and game devs.-
8. Do you require exclusivity for titles you sell on Steam?
We think you should get your game in front of as many people as you can, therefore we do not require exclusivity on titles.
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All I'm saying is, Crytek is a great company, they did nothing wrong, but Valve delisted their product for some very petty reasons.
Be careful letting Valve get too much power, they are the whinny bitch of the digital distribution world.
On the flip side, I'm not too excited about EA trying to get into digital distribution.
All these parties are doing whatever they can do to prevent the game devs from getting the money they deserve.
Props to Crytek for trying to sell on their own and keep their money.
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