Learning about fire insurance

Learning about fire insurance

Learned about Fire Insurance this week. This was fun.

GBurke59

So I was looking to move into a different house. My wife and I were excited, but being an adult I wanted to crunch the numbers. 

 Principal & interest, taxes, hoa etc. Then I had to account for insurance. Our insurance now is reasonable, so I figured it would be more considering the place was bigger. Well, to my surprise AAA told me they wouldn't cover the new house without something called the "California Fair Plan".

 

So for those who don't know, the "California Fair Plan" is basically wildfire insurance, and you need it because most major insurance provider in Nor Cal *(my specific county specifically) will NOT give you fire insurance within your normal policy, some will flat not give you coverage at all. That's when the "CFP" (California Fair Plan) is there to "help"

To be fair the coverage is really good. If you house burns to the ground you'll be able to collect enough to rebuild, they also include a monthly stipend to rent somewhere while your home is being rebuilt. Now the downside is the insurance is stupid expensive...like 4,000 a year, just for wildfire. That's insane to me.

 

So in conclusion it sucks that PG&E couldn't be bothered to invest in infrastructure and repair and replace janky equipment. Santa Rosa burned to ground because of it and now every year fire season gets worse up here. It's interesting, and scary but good to learn about I guess. Adulting is fun.

 

From The Chatty
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    April 16, 2021 9:43 PM

    GBurke59 wrote a thing!

    Read more: Fire Insurance Sucks.

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      April 16, 2021 10:56 PM

      $4k a year sucks. That robbery when the utility has had decades to fix their shit.

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      April 17, 2021 12:16 AM

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        April 17, 2021 12:26 AM

        Counties play a huge difference. What's your wildfire rating?

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          April 17, 2021 12:40 AM

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            April 17, 2021 12:52 AM

            If you don't know your wildfire rating it's most likely "0". It's a scale 0-10. Two years ago when sonoma county burned to the ground. Multiple, big, major insurance companies dropped fire coverage policy's for a ton of people in sonoma and mendocino. I'll be happy to edit my statement if that's bugging you.

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              April 17, 2021 12:56 AM

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                April 17, 2021 1:02 AM

                Not really...you don't live anywhere near me. Location plays a huge factor. Not knowing what your wildfire rating is, likely means you have no risk of a fire burning down your house, hence why you have fire included in your policy east of SF.

                I apologize if you thought I was generalizing Nor Cal as a whole. I referring to my county.

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              April 17, 2021 6:19 AM

              So literally the only option for wildfire insurance is the one you listed? No private insurance companies offer it at all?

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                April 17, 2021 6:29 AM

                I read that webpage and it says that plan is an association of private insurers who share in the risk, and are regulated to reflect the risk exposure.

                Trying to understand the issue here, I mean the cost is high but if everything is legit, the costs are because of the risk inherent to the area, which yeah I assume from what I’ve read that the utility company fucked up in the past. That sucks but that’s insurance, they charge based on the risk

                Did you investigate insurance rates before moving?

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                  April 17, 2021 6:57 AM

                  Home sales are slowing in wildfire-prone areas of California as insurers retreat from high-risk regions, say real-estate agents and homeowners.

                  Insurance companies have continued to reduce their wildfire exposure in the past two years after paying more than $24 billion for California wildfire losses in 2017 and 2018. Home insurers have declined to renew policies for tens of thousands of homeowners across the state, and regulators expect more nonrenewals in the coming months.

                  Real-estate agents say potential buyers are having difficulty obtaining insurance and are backing out of purchases or lowering their offers after realizing how much insurance would cost, which can be thousands of dollars a year or more in wildfire-prone areas.

                  Lauralee Green, co-owner of Z Group Real Estate in Pollock Pines, Calif., now requires prospective buyers to submit an insurance quote before making an offer.


                  https://www.wsj.com/articles/high-cost-of-wildfire-insurance-hurts-california-home-sales-11578220200

                  Jan 2020

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                  April 17, 2021 7:50 AM

                  The fire risk is inherent to the area, yeah - regardless of the utility company. It's basically *if* something catches fire for any reason, a lot of land is going to burn. Most of them recently were caused by lightning. PG&E directly caused a few of the worst ones, including the incredibly deadly Camp fire and IIRC the one that burned Sonoma, but generally the fires are going to happen with or without them.

                  - the big fire in NorCal that almost wiped out Redding (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carr_Fire ) was caused by "...a flat tire on a vehicle caused the wheel's rim to scrape against the asphalt, creating sparks that set off the fire."

                  - what was the largest CA wildfire in history as of 2018 (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendocino_Complex_Fire ) was caused by "a man trying to plug the entrance of a wasp nest with a hammer and stake"

                  - the gender reveal smoke bomb wildfire (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Dorado_Fire ).

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                  April 18, 2021 12:34 AM

                  I'm glad I did the research before the offer for sure. I currently have a insurance broker trying to find something for me. The only option ive seen was CFP and they qouted me around 3,600/year.

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        April 17, 2021 7:20 AM

        Depends on the area pretty heavily, but you may be Central Valley where the risk is nearly zero:

        https://i.imgur.com/Nn6C7Dl.jpg

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