The Road Ahead for Shacknews Chatty

The Road Ahead for Shacknews Chatty

Here is the latest update on the Shacknews Community Guidelines.

the man with the briefcase

First of all, I am not selling the website. Anyone who pays attention to the broader online publishing landscape would understand that this is a very tough time for games media websites and selling at this moment would be a waste of the past ten years I have spent building the Shacknews brand alongside the team.

Something that we all agree on is that the Shacknews Chatty is a special place on the Internet. This community has shown up to rally for Shackers in need with charity fundraising efforts, help with resumes, and even job postings. That sense of community is the best part of this place and we want to make sure it remains for years to come.

Our community has some amazing and supportive people who contribute in positive ways like weekly selfie threads, movie posts, NFL threads, and by answering questions that are increasingly hard to find useful answers for on the Internet these days.

This community's history is an important part of the overall website, and simultaneously an albatross that highlights deep-seated problems that began many years ago.

It's been quite rich to witness this community that allowed the phrase "10% n----r d--k" to become an acceptable meme telling me what to do in the best interest of minority users. I have expressed my disappointment with the moderators regarding this specific fact alongside other examples of hateful speech directed at members of the LGBTQ+ community, women, and other minority groups like Jews and Muslims that have gone unmoderated for years.

For the Shacknews Chatty to continue to operate in-line with the values of the rest of the Shacknews brand, changes have to be made.

For those who pay attention to the front page, our social media platforms, our Twitch and YouTube channels, you may have already noticed our efforts to make content for a more diverse audience.

Shacknews has reviewed more games this year than ever before and we continue to give opportunities to minorities, members of the LGBTQ+ community, and women to have their voices heard on our platform.

In the interest of fostering a safer community, things must change here to align with the brand and company's values.

In no uncertain terms, this community has a negative reputation amongst minority groups, women, and LGBTQ+ community members in the gaming industry.

Our Shacknews coverage universe on the front page includes topics like gaming, technology, finance, and emerging fields.

The truth is that general political discussion has nothing to do with our day-to-day operations at Shacknews. Political threads have driven off countless users and have been home to some of the hateful speech I mentioned above. In fact, many of the unmoderated hateful posts in the last ten years have appeared in political threads usually found in massive derailed subthreads.

While some people here may feel that the only value Shacknews has to offer is political news, it is simply not true. These posters have a warped idea of what Shacknews is, and they will not be allowed to continue to drag this place lower while ignoring the actual content hosted on the site.

The half measure political thread ban allowing for posts Tuesday-Thursday during December was poorly executed and failed to establish the positive community standards I am aiming for.

Today, we are implementing updated Community Guidelines in the hopes of setting a new course for the Shacknews Chatty that fits alongside our company values and our core mission of bringing compelling gaming and technology coverage to all areas of the Internet.

Things like the use of racist, homophobic, transphobic slurs or any other hate speech will be met with zero tolerance going forward.

Cyberstalking across platforms will also receive zero tolerance, and we are going to be working on a feature for users to block Shack Messages from other users to prevent a part of the hateful behavior from some users on this site that the moderators can't deal with directly.

Additionally, the minimum ban time period has been increased to one week. For community members who have been here for decades, a 30-minute ban isn’t even remotely significant enough to warrant a change in behavior. 

One goal here is to create a safe place in which our own staff will want to engage, and down the road new members from elsewhere in the broader Shacknews ecosystem can join in the discussion.

I understand that this may feel like we are taking away something from a group of people here, but there is no shortage of places (Reddit/Discord) to recreate the daily political discourse that some of you feel so passionately about.

If you feel like this path forward is not your Shacknews, you are right. It is my Shacknews.

To the Mercury subscribers past and present, I want to thank you for voting with your dollar to support our efforts here. Unfortunately, the subscription revenue has never made a meaningful dent into the costs of operating the company, and will not be a way to leverage me into changing my mind.

This is just the first step to make Shacknews Chatty a more welcoming place to people from all walks of life, and I hope that we can work together to ensure that this forum remains alive and growing for years to come even if some long-time posters head for the exits in the near future.

For those in the know, you have already seen Shacknews become one of the largest independent games media outlets in North America with our reviews being featured in accolades trailers from Sony, Microsoft, and even Nintendo.

I believe the Shacknews Chatty must heal from the wounds of the past before it can ever meaningfully grow again and fit alongside our broader efforts as a company and a community. It is my hope that the best people here will join us in this effort while welcoming new members of the community we are trying to grow moving forward.

Please read the updated Shacknews Community Guidelines

The Shacknews Staff is heading on our holiday break for the next few weeks and these new rules are in effect as of the time of this post. 

 

From The Chatty
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    December 20, 2024 4:35 PM

    Here is the latest update on the new Shacknews Community Guidelines.

    Read more: The Road Ahead for Shacknews Chatty

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      December 20, 2024 4:45 PM

      Are the minority groups that want to get rid of political threads in the room with us right now

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      December 20, 2024 4:47 PM

      Good luck with your website!

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      December 20, 2024 4:47 PM


      Your money and your site so you do you Boo but to allow the current set of mods to continue is the real crime here.

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        December 20, 2024 4:51 PM

        Yeah they’re the worst.

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        December 21, 2024 8:54 AM

        What did I miss? I’ve been mostly inactive a long time.

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      December 20, 2024 4:50 PM

      So all politics talk are banned and all the same mods remain in place?

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      December 20, 2024 4:51 PM

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      December 20, 2024 4:51 PM

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        December 20, 2024 4:55 PM

        It’s a fair statement. I may not have stated it as such but it’s true.

        Despite all the ups and downs, including these latest changes, this is still the best message board.

        I appreciate Asif keeping the lights on.

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        December 20, 2024 5:02 PM

        Meh, it really is his Shacknews though. Just like it was Steves and Maartens. They pay the bills and they decide what kind of media they want attributed to their brand. If he wants to kill the forums tomorrow, while tragic as we've been so invested in this website for years it's still his website and his right to do so, as is his choice in mods. For those that don't want to abide by the new rules, or feel like they are missing out on certain features, functionality and fairness can always go to the Discord server. The discord server is run by the another grouping of mods which comes with their own rules and guidelines, and at the same time biases.

        I have no investment in the website besides my time over the past 20+ years. I have no where near as much contribution as others on the website either - so I understand the frustration in some losing this as a medium they have grown old with but what it boils down to is exactly those 4 words. It is his Shacknews.

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        December 20, 2024 9:18 PM

        Feels written like a giant f you to a lot of shackers.

        To basically say it's your site, too bad, screw what anyone else thinks and then cap it off by belittling those of us who supported via mercury. Especially when the site was struggling and it was the top source of revenue? Cool cool.

        You risk being king of an empty castle... But at least you'll be king, I guess?

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          December 21, 2024 9:11 AM

          Well said, kind of an empty castle is a hell of a poetic line.

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      December 20, 2024 4:54 PM

      Thanks for the update. I have cancelled mercury per your request.

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      December 20, 2024 4:55 PM

      Since Shacknews is apparently a financial site now (lol), that means posts about all of the dumb shit Elon is going to do over the next 4 years and all the hatred he incites in his brainwashed cultists are completely a-okay. Those are all things that will affect the finances of the companies under his purview, so they meet the standard.

      Thanks for the clarification! 👍

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        December 20, 2024 4:57 PM

        Does this mean the amazing 9to5 Elon podcast is making a comeback?

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      December 20, 2024 4:55 PM

      MY GRANDSON TRUXSTON WANTS A NINTENDO FOR XMAS BUT THERE ARE SO MANY. WHICH ONE DOES HE WANT?

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        December 20, 2024 6:04 PM

        Hi Arb

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          December 20, 2024 7:44 PM

          hi Borzoi. I hope you're doing well.

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            December 20, 2024 8:49 PM

            Things are starting to turn a corner for the better. Hope you’re doing well, yo!

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              December 20, 2024 8:56 PM

              Glad to hear it. Same for me, I think! Kind of a crappy year, but some things are going well.

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      December 20, 2024 4:56 PM

      That was a very long way to say you're killing the chatty because it's bad for business. I get that. It's a sad way for the Chatty to die.

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        December 20, 2024 4:58 PM

        Also functionally equivalent to selling the site.

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        December 20, 2024 5:09 PM

        Most people probably don't remember but it was donations from the community that allowed the site to survive a huge crash in gaming site consolidation in the early days--pretty sure without that the place would not be here rn

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          December 21, 2024 9:15 AM

          I gave Steve $50 but told him to save the money on my tshirt. He listened to me. I was rewarded with a hoodie a few years later!

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      December 20, 2024 4:58 PM

      One of the last good forums on the internet and you guys mismanaged it into total irrelevance. It's really annoying because there was a whole history before you were here, this community doesn't belong to you and never did.

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        December 20, 2024 5:15 PM

        Eh, the Chatty has been divorced from the front page for like 15 years now. We don't drive traffic and we don't pay the bills, so I can understand not wanting to deal with the headache that comes with managing us.

        That being said I don't understand the desire to burn it all down. The Chatty has been shrinking in size for over a decade by this point and these changes will surely kick its decline into overdrive, and Asif knows this. So my only question is why not just pass it on to someone else who wants to run it? Point the chatty to another domain that's run by the community who can continue running it.

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          December 20, 2024 5:18 PM

          The incredibly tiny Chatty is not the part of the website that costs any money to maintain. Hell, up until recently a significant portion of the users donated money directly to the owner! I don't think there's any way the Chatty didn't pay for itself.

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            December 20, 2024 5:22 PM

            It's not the money, it's the time and stress that comes with the drama. Even if the mercury subs paid for the hosting costs of the chatty the time sink probably doesn't make sense from a business perspective.

            So I get not wanting to keep us around, but I don't understand the logic of burning it down to nothing.

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        December 20, 2024 5:38 PM

        “Mismanaged into irrelevance.” lol. Lmao even, sweetest of summer childs.

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          December 20, 2024 5:43 PM

          It has never been a relevant gaming website, but it used to at least have a passionate community

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            December 20, 2024 5:46 PM

            The joke isn’t funnier if you tell it twice.

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      December 20, 2024 4:58 PM

      it's fair to say the current mod team has lost the trust of all parts of the community. I hope you address that too.

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      December 20, 2024 4:59 PM

      The title for the novelization of this would be, "Of Mods and Men."

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      December 20, 2024 5:01 PM

      In no uncertain terms, this community has a negative reputation amongst minority groups, women, and LGBTQ+ community members in the gaming industry.

      I did not realize that :( I hope it can be fixed. Changing a culture is super hard.

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        December 20, 2024 5:10 PM

        I felt like the Chatty had been doing a very good job of turning the ship around on this. We'd run off a number of posters from the site that did not share these values.

        After reading the guidelines, I'm not even sure that political posts are allowed or not now, but what this will really do is just pretend that these kind of LGBTQ+ issues don't exist as they have been made inherently political when they shouldn't be.

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          December 20, 2024 5:12 PM

          It's amazing because the biggest incident that made so many high quality posters leave was the briefcase man vs abrasion shit. That was absolutely the lowest point in the history of this website, which makes the hypocritical lecture in the OP just...irritating.

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        December 20, 2024 5:17 PM

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          December 20, 2024 5:19 PM

          I would agree with this as a woman coming to shacknews for 25 years as well. The entire thing is bullshit.

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          December 20, 2024 5:22 PM

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          December 20, 2024 5:29 PM

          <3 you cow

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          December 20, 2024 8:57 PM

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          December 20, 2024 9:03 PM

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          December 22, 2024 5:03 PM

          As another longtime gay poster here (almost 15k posts over two decades), it is really shitty to use us as an excuse for this. It is especially rich given how the site mishandled all the anti-trans stuff that came out of the Hogwarts game release. That happened on Asif's watch with his moderators. He let that happen, and now he's using us as a scapegoat for silencing us when the future looks particularly bright.

          It is Asif's site, and he can do what he wants, but he mishandled this so badly. He asked for our feedback but then ignored it. They moderated in direct violation of the published rules and then banned people for asking about it. For more than a month, Asif hid behind the mod team, while they implemented his policies instead of just being open and honest. And now, when he finally deigns to explain what is happening, he pretends to be doing it to protect me.

          Fuck you, Asif

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        December 20, 2024 5:29 PM

        I also didn't realize that, at all, the chatty feels a million zillion times less toxic than any other online community I've seen

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          December 20, 2024 5:33 PM

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            December 20, 2024 8:08 PM

            Respectfully, can we udder touch?

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          December 20, 2024 5:57 PM

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          December 20, 2024 9:04 PM

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          December 20, 2024 11:43 PM

          Yeah weird, I didn't realize that either? If this had been the case I would have been long gone.
          This whole thing sucks, I love shacknews :(

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          December 21, 2024 7:30 AM

          You didn't realize this because it's bullshit. This whole post is just full of bad takes and straight misinformation.

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          December 21, 2024 8:01 AM

          I feel the same way. I’m not really a part of any of the groups listed though so I may not realize if it really is though. Compared to the rest of the internet this site is candyland. Years ago for sure it was not as mature a place to be, there were a lot more slurs and posts that would just not be acceptable now. Now though I don’t really see it? Unless I’m missing something I don’t see people calling others outright slurs. Occasionally a political discussion gets out of hand but what I’ve seen the comment chain had more than enough time to be nipped in the bud before it got to the points they did, it just wasn’t and that’s the failure.

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        December 20, 2024 5:39 PM

        It does not. It’s just an excuse to justify an action.

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        December 21, 2024 4:58 AM

        I wonder what sites are considered LBTQ/minority friendly. Everything I see across the wider Internet is much worse than this place.

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      December 20, 2024 5:06 PM

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        December 21, 2024 2:33 AM

        He's still 10x better than Gamefly ever was.

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      December 20, 2024 5:07 PM

      Well, I am going to depart again. Making the site more inclusive is great, not sure how nuking politics does that but not my circus.

      I am just going to go focus on reindeer pee posts on bluesky. Good luck everybody!

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        December 20, 2024 5:10 PM

        It's the end of the Shack Eleganza Extravangaza. Hope everyone gets a lot of value out of the ghost town.

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        December 20, 2024 5:12 PM

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        December 20, 2024 5:21 PM

        o7 godspeed good sir, we'll see you on the other side.

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        December 20, 2024 5:28 PM

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          December 20, 2024 5:32 PM

          People say goodbye, it’s a word that exists!

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            December 20, 2024 5:45 PM

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              December 20, 2024 5:51 PM

              Well now I mean it! Are you the mens group guy?

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              December 20, 2024 7:24 PM

              This seems needlessly combative.

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              December 20, 2024 8:46 PM

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              December 20, 2024 9:20 PM

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              December 20, 2024 9:41 PM

              This is just sad, dude.

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              December 20, 2024 9:50 PM

              This is definitely the kind of quality content and posts Asif was hoping to see after the announcement! New rules are working great!

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              December 20, 2024 9:55 PM

              lol
              THE DATA THAT SUPPORTS HIS VISION

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                December 20, 2024 10:05 PM

                Chasing off a bunch of 30-50 year olds with disposable income and an interest in gaming and tech doesn’t catch me as the business savvy move kgargs is making it out to be.

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                  December 20, 2024 11:35 PM

                  he's such a successful business man now so he must know a lot on how to be successful. he executes his vision daily.

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              December 20, 2024 10:11 PM

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              December 20, 2024 10:29 PM

              Man. The personal attack on me (which mods were fine with and agreeing) and now this? You're on a troll-roll.

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              December 20, 2024 11:57 PM

              People are allowed to say goodbye, especially on a site where we've been sharing things - good and bad - for literal decades.

              I can only imagine your attitude is what Asif is trying to encourage.

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              December 21, 2024 9:25 AM

              Oh, fuck off. What a self-righteous response. You could ignore and move on from their thanks.txt (hey, just like any political thread), but still chose to take a dig or two on their way out and insult them. Who is the child?

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              December 21, 2024 9:49 AM

              Of course you are interested in the purge and what comes next

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            December 20, 2024 9:54 PM

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            December 20, 2024 10:09 PM

            Check back in a few weeks or months. Maybe the policy will change again

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            December 20, 2024 10:36 PM

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          December 20, 2024 5:35 PM

          I like to know when people leave.

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          December 20, 2024 9:52 PM

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        December 20, 2024 5:36 PM

        Well I will miss you man, but don’t blame you.

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        December 20, 2024 7:41 PM

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        December 20, 2024 7:52 PM

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        December 20, 2024 8:47 PM

        Join the Discord so you can keep track of the community. Happy Travels!

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        December 20, 2024 8:48 PM

        Discord link if you need it: https://discord.com/invite/thechatty

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        December 20, 2024 9:09 PM

        Making the site more inclusive IS great.

        Obviously the way to do that is to nuke the daily thread where so many people on here championed the rights of women, minorities, and LGBTQ groups. /s

        I am a 56 yr old white dude, and this place has taught me so much about my world view and made me stop to consider things that honestly I probably just would have overlooked in the past. I don't see how striving to make the site more inclusive is accomplished by banning discussions about how we all as individuals could actually accomplish that. If I were a person of color, or a female gamer, or a member of the LGBTQ community I'd like to believe that stumbling across the daily politics thread and seeing how no one around here tolerates misogyny, racism, and homophobic behavior would have made me feel more welcomed here than a lot of other places on the Internet.

        I just don't get it...

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        December 20, 2024 9:26 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:07 PM

      I don't know if I'm a member of one of the marginalized groups you reference in this post, but if I am, it feels a little icky to be used as a justification for something a lot of us are pretty against.

      Craft all of the rules you want around this, but I don't know how it doesn't silence us. I certainly don't know how to post about my life without being political. Even if it's supposedly allowed as "lived experience," I'd be worried I'll be misunderstood and nuked/banned.

      Because everything I do is tinged with politics. It's how the world works for me right now.

      I dunno. I probably didn't word this right and maybe you've got a lot of input from other groups that runs counter, but I don't love being a justification for a change that will likely have a negative impact on me. It feels paternal in a way that doesn't feel great.

      But hey, it's your website like you said. It certainly isn't my place to tell you anything. I sincerely hope it works out for you.

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        December 20, 2024 5:11 PM

        This exactly.

        These kind of issues shouldn't be political, they should be facts of life, of the way the world works. But they have been made political and by banning discussion around this, you're banning people from expressing their identities of who they on this website.

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        December 20, 2024 5:19 PM

        "We welcome marginalized peoples but we don't allow them advocate for themselves."

        If you don't talk about struggles then there are no struggles.

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        December 20, 2024 5:29 PM

        I don't know if I am either. Neurodivergence wasn't listed so I'm probably not, but discussions around mental health issues have been extremely important to me on here over the years. And any discussion about that is inherently political as well. I'm ADHD and on the spectrum, and have suffered suicidal ideation for years. I rely on public support to live and how can we discuss the healthcare system at all without it being political? Many other groups have it far worse in terms of their lives being politicized, so if this is a problem for me I can only imagine how much worse it must be for minorities and LGBTQ people.

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        December 20, 2024 5:30 PM

        The new rules don't even have the "lived experience" clause.

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        December 20, 2024 5:32 PM

        You worded it just fine.

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        December 20, 2024 9:07 PM

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        December 23, 2024 9:03 PM

        100% this.

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      December 20, 2024 5:07 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:09 PM

      LOL.

      You’re all laid off and I’m going on vacation. Awesome sense of transparency with this messaging.

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      December 20, 2024 5:10 PM

      Goodbye

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      December 20, 2024 5:11 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:12 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:13 PM

      Thanks for the update. I am 100% on board with what you say in this post, especially if Shacknews has a negative reputation with minority communities. I fail to see the connection between any of what you've said here and the fact that this has been a great place to discuss current political happenings for over a decade, but as you've clearly stated, it's your Shacknews.

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        December 20, 2024 5:15 PM

        This place doesn’t have a reputation among any communities. It’s been niche for 10 fucking years at least and it’s been dying at an exponential rate lately.

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        December 20, 2024 8:54 PM

        I mean I'm just thinking of AuroraBeam who specifically was bummed that the new rules preventing them from being a voice in those discussions

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      December 20, 2024 5:15 PM

      I’ve only been here 5-10 years so I have no experience with the kind of horrific language Asif is citing as being part of the chatty experience. Like, none. If anything, the chatty has appeared to me one of the more tolerant spaces on the internet. Using some ancient piece of history to damn a place that now bears no resemblance to its former self seems like a logical leap and a bit of sleight of hand.

      The idea that eliminating discussions of “minority issues” could somehow better serve minorities in this community is, frankly, Orwellian.

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        December 20, 2024 5:36 PM

        The entire thing is absurd. Many of the few people left around here have been here for 20+ years. The chatty, and its long time users, have grown tremendously over that time. I’m sure we all have posts that we would look back on and cringe at. The great thing about life is that most people grow up. They change learn more about the world and change their behaviors as the rest of society does. Trying to blame “old chatty” for running off users is ridiculous and insulting to many of the people that have contributed to keeping this site active for decades. This place has never been as bad as he is framing it for a scapegoat.

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          December 20, 2024 9:20 PM

          This is pretty much where my mindset is right now.

          I have reread the new chatty rules twice now and I am still confused. What did we do wrong?

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        December 20, 2024 6:34 PM

        The thing he cited in the article was a fucking typo someone made and everyone thought it was funny because it was such a ridiculous fucking typo at the time. It was not a big deal at all. It wasn't people being racist assholes. it was people making fun of someone for typos.

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      December 20, 2024 5:24 PM

      "In fact, many of the unmoderated hateful posts in the last ten years have appeared in political threads usually found in massive derailed subthreads."

      So I should read this as the mods weren't doing their jobs and the end result is that political threads go away instead of the mods? Seems completely reasonable. Sure hope nobody says something hateful in a non-political post.

      This is fucking dumb.

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        December 20, 2024 6:05 PM

        I would have more respect for this if they admitted that the reason is they can't adequately police these huge threads.

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      December 20, 2024 5:24 PM

      As someone who has never been banned/timed out (that I know of), I actually felt the political discussion on the stie was something that assisted in me mostly growing out of the puerile, ignorant humor that consisted of punching downward on others different from myself (even though I am a minority). Specifically in regards to LGBTQ issues, those dealing with mental health, etc.

      Exposure to the issues facing people that were different from myself helped me to understand their perspective. I think viewing the actual post history of the site shows had many of us have grown up in part due to those brave enough to share what they have to deal with and I feel that I've grown out of a lot of some of that stuff due to those interactions. Sure, I'll find another outlet for something like that if I want to go out and seek it, but the issue was that those threads were helpful to me because a lot of the information was gathered from people who I felt had very good insight and whose opinions I valued throughout the years.

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        December 20, 2024 5:32 PM

        Well said.

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        December 20, 2024 5:54 PM

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        December 20, 2024 6:02 PM

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        December 20, 2024 6:10 PM

        Yeah, you’re right. I’ve learned about a much broader group of people and ideas than my relatively sheltered and focused peer group I deal with day to day.

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        December 20, 2024 9:23 PM

        Exactly. It is part of what kept me coming back to the chatty. As ugly as some of the political talk or heated arguments about the day's topic was, shacknews chatty was the better for it.

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      December 20, 2024 5:25 PM

      This entire thread is about a moderation decision, so shouldn’t it be nuked per the new rules?

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      December 20, 2024 5:27 PM

      This is either a solution looking for a problem or coming up with a solution by misunderstanding the problem. Sure I can understand no politics discussion given everything going on, but the mod team here _failed_ and is IMHO responsible for growing the toxicity you talk about in this place by directing conversations into topics they agreed with and attacking users they didn't agree with. Several mods were directly drove people to leave and delete. Mods, not users. So the solution to that is less talk and more bans? Mods stay?

      It doesn't make any sense at all.

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      December 20, 2024 5:30 PM

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        December 20, 2024 5:46 PM

        Well said.

        Thinking back through this ownership tenure, it’s pretty incredible how things have changed. He is completely disconnected from the actual community at this point, and it’s entirely his choice.

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      December 20, 2024 5:34 PM

      Most of these replies read like posts in a thread about SNL. It sucks now, whatever recent thing they did sucks, it’s sucked for a long time, it sucks more by the day, it will never stop sucking, etc. Meanwhile SNL’s celebrating its 50th anniversary.

      Looking forward to the 50th anniversary of Shacknews 🥂

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      December 20, 2024 5:34 PM

      "We want to be welcoming to the LGBTQ+ community. That's why they're not allowed to talk about things important to them here."

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        December 20, 2024 5:42 PM

        I’ve never had that issue, I just don’t because there’s everything TMWTB said convincing me and others it’s not worth the time and stress. If you didn’t notice, you might be blind.

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          December 20, 2024 5:47 PM

          Several members of the LGBTQ+ community have spoken about why they've left. We can take a moment to look at their words and let them speak for themselves instead of assuming or single-viewpointing.

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          December 20, 2024 5:59 PM

          Forcing the LGBTQ+ community to shut up and go back into the closet… that’s healthy to you?

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            December 20, 2024 6:30 PM

            It’s not doing that. And if you really feel that way, it’s because you read what you wanted to read and not what was actually written.

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              December 20, 2024 6:47 PM

              So you’re anti-LGBTQ+ too. Got it.

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                December 20, 2024 6:53 PM

                No, actually I’m bi with a trans spouse. What now?

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                  December 21, 2024 6:30 AM

                  Are they a POC for the trifecta?

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          December 20, 2024 8:27 PM

          lol, lmao even as you would say

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        December 20, 2024 6:34 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:35 PM

      I hope you get what you want out of the web site you bought.

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      December 20, 2024 5:37 PM

      Do what you want with your website man but I wonder if you could have made a worse article to announce it. Hire an editor or a speech writer or something.

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        December 20, 2024 5:41 PM

        The disdain in that post for the chatty and all that dwell here is palpable.

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          December 20, 2024 5:45 PM

          "Disdainful" is exactly the word I had in mind for the tone of the message. Kind of speaks to the real motivations here.

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          December 20, 2024 5:51 PM

          Exactly. I'd have felt more respected if he just emailed me "fuck you" and then shut off the chatty.

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          December 20, 2024 9:12 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:39 PM

      I love how all the hand waving about “community feedback” and “a trial phase” was just bullshit.

      Again, your site, but this rollout of phase 7 (or whatever) of the shack was handled excruciatingly, embarrassingly poorly.

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      December 20, 2024 5:40 PM

      TL;DR?

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      December 20, 2024 5:45 PM

      This had to happen eventually and I’m glad it did. There’s a lot of good here and it gets marred by ugly intentions and flagrant passive aggressive garbage skirting the rules to continue to be ridiculous and nonsensical. There’s good people here. I hope they stay with us. There are also not so good people. It’s about time they hit the bricks. If you feel insulted by this, well… yeah, you probably should.

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        December 20, 2024 5:57 PM

        Whose alt are you lol.

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          December 20, 2024 5:59 PM

          Yeah am I crazy for not recognizing this name? First post 2019

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            December 20, 2024 6:04 PM

            Based on the passionate support for TMWTB, perhaps a writer for the site?

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              December 20, 2024 6:35 PM

              If any of you actually crawled out of chatty once in while, it wouldn’t be a mystery.

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                December 20, 2024 6:38 PM

                LOL good to know how y’all really feel.

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                December 20, 2024 6:41 PM

                Thank you for this inclusive message, person.

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                December 20, 2024 6:43 PM

                Write better articles and maybe they would

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                  December 20, 2024 6:46 PM

                  SureJan.gif

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                    December 20, 2024 11:59 PM

                    "Relevant" perhaps should be the word, not better.

                    I used to read a ton of articles on the site (Esp. during the Chris Remo era, tbh - though that's ancient history). These days it's pretty rare, other than the service journalism or whatever of guides/articles on current popular game x, which only sync up with me every so often. When I see one on shacknews, or on shack via google? Sure I'll happily click it. Otherwise, it the front page hasn't been a big draw to me for a looooooong time. I honestly wish it was otherwise.

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                December 20, 2024 6:43 PM

                This was a community of posters for like 15+ years before you joined this site. Before Asif owned it and made his billions with ShackPets. Shacknews is the Chatty, without it it's just another faceless SEO farm.

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                  December 20, 2024 6:50 PM

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                    December 20, 2024 6:56 PM

                    LOL, complaining about changes to a community I've belonged to for 25 years is apparently "bitching the entire time". Never mind all the other people saying exactly the same things. So welcoming and inclusive!

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                      December 20, 2024 7:00 PM

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                        December 20, 2024 7:04 PM

                        I can't take you seriously in the slightest. "Threadshitting"? Apparently discussing the ongoing changes is "threadshitting"! This isn't about winning or losing. I never once claimed that Asif didn't have the right to do with this place what he pleases, he owns the place after all. But that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it. According to you if you're not all smiles about this you're a threadshitting complainer! Please.

                        You feel free to keep on with your schtick.

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                        December 21, 2024 4:29 PM

                        But members of a community do get to pick how it turns out. That’s basically the definition of community. Site owners can try to do whatever they want, but they’re not going to magically change the community. That’s not how the world works.

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                    December 20, 2024 11:05 PM

                    Also, doesn't this post violate the rule stating "Personal attacks or insults" which comes right after "Some examples of other nukable posts (carrying a minimum one week ban) include, but are in no way limited to, the following:". I guess that one's flexible.

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                  December 20, 2024 6:50 PM

                  Barring that it’s the third time you’ve said the same thing at me in different words, if Chatty wasn’t worth keeping, none of this would be happening. But you go ahead and keep running the same play on 4th down,

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                    December 20, 2024 6:52 PM

                    Buddy, you gonna hear it about 400 more times from more than me. It's one of the most idiotic things I've ever seen happen to a forum.

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                December 20, 2024 7:55 PM

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                December 20, 2024 8:16 PM

                that's right Johnny, you insult em, you insult em real good

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            December 20, 2024 6:34 PM

            Guessing a sockpuppet account. Those are a thing apparently.

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          December 20, 2024 6:31 PM

          One of the majority obviously!!!

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        December 20, 2024 6:37 PM

        There are also not so good people.

        Who the fuck are all these BAD PEOPLE...we've legit shed almost 50% of the users on the chatty.

        Who the fuck is bad enough to be left.

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        December 20, 2024 6:50 PM

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        December 20, 2024 7:01 PM

        bro look at your last 15 posts today, it's all antagonistic garbage trying to get a rise out of the folks you reply to. Have a little self-reflection.

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          December 20, 2024 10:30 PM

          holy shit I just realized you're actually Shacknews staff. To call this ironic would be the understatement of the century.

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      December 20, 2024 5:47 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:55 PM

      IIRC "10% n----r d--k" was funny / accepted because it was simply a typo and had the benefit of a generally positive stereotype, zero racism involved.

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        December 20, 2024 5:59 PM

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          December 20, 2024 6:05 PM

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          December 21, 2024 2:00 AM

          yeah the meme is actually “10% bigger dick” but I don’t expect the powers that be to understand the way things have been going lately.

          Totally lost touch with the community.

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        December 20, 2024 6:03 PM

        On the one hand, true. On the other hand, it's still pretty inappropriate and potentially offensive to post as anything other than a type. On the third hand, has it even been a thing in the past 15 years?

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          December 20, 2024 6:11 PM

          on the gripping hand

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            December 20, 2024 6:14 PM

            I use "on the third hand" deliberately.

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              December 20, 2024 6:36 PM

              Someone doesn't like Larry and/or Jerry

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                December 20, 2024 6:38 PM

                I honestly don't know who they are.

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                  December 20, 2024 6:43 PM

                  Oh well, I assumed you had a reason. Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle were the writers of The Mote in God's Eye where the "gripping hand" comes from. An alien species nicknamed "Moties" have a third arm.

                  Larry and Jerry, well mostly Jerry was on the military SF side of the SF universe.

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                    December 20, 2024 6:46 PM

                    Ahhhh. I'm pretty sure I've read some of both their works, but not that specifically.

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                      December 20, 2024 6:49 PM

                      Well, I guess it's an "aged" reference at this point. Jerry especially ended up in the ignored military SF ghetto anyways. Larry is still doing hard SF.

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          December 20, 2024 6:14 PM

          Of course not. It was inappropriate then and it obviously is now. But we are lying to ourselves if we say that things weren’t different 15 years ago. This community has matured more than any other I can think of in that time. The fact that his only example is some 15 year old typo from just proves that point. I genuinely can not remember seeing a blatantly racist or homophobic post on this site in the last 10+ years that didn’t immediately result in that poster being dogpiled or banned.

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            December 20, 2024 7:13 PM

            It was almost 20 years ago believe it or not lol
            March 2005

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          December 20, 2024 8:17 PM

          People never typed it out, they would just link to it as the punchline for some joke

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        December 20, 2024 6:05 PM

        I had actually totally forgotten about it until this article.

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        December 20, 2024 7:07 PM

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        December 20, 2024 11:06 PM

        Yeah using it as an excuse is just ridiculous.

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      December 20, 2024 5:56 PM

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        December 20, 2024 6:02 PM

        Hopefully somebody has screenshots of it. That was arguably one of the most shameful incidents in the history of this website, and I wasn't aware until today that he never apologized.

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        December 20, 2024 6:04 PM

        No, you see, the scary political threads (that are hidden by default) are what runs users away. Not the site owner who detests the community he inherited.

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        December 20, 2024 6:12 PM

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        December 20, 2024 6:18 PM

        You’re expecting too much from this unserious, ineffectual coward of a person.

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        December 20, 2024 6:20 PM

        Are you talking about that campaign shitting all over abrasion, a shacker that went on to commit suicide?

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          December 20, 2024 9:44 PM

          Yep, exactly that. And I have continued to be here after it but remains a thing I think about a lot when I am here. I can't believe it was never addressed.

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        December 20, 2024 6:42 PM

        I feel like that incident was the turning point between TMWTB and the community. Perhaps this is the fallout.

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        December 20, 2024 6:53 PM

        Seriously, the ugliest event I can recall on the Shack, and it was an officially sanctioned attack by the same guy admonishing us. Feels bad man.

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        December 20, 2024 9:16 PM

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        December 20, 2024 11:12 PM

        Agreed, I still remember how shitty for Abrasion this was. I expect nothing from Asif on this front at this point though.

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        December 20, 2024 11:54 PM

        That’s when I decided cancel Mercury because I did not want to support that kind of owner with my money.

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        December 21, 2024 5:02 AM

        Ironically, that event drove away a lot of prolific/diverse members of the community.

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          December 21, 2024 12:39 PM

          Yup, he's been super toxic for this place ever since. This place ending was inevitable, but I'm extremely bummed this is how it's going down.

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          December 21, 2024 12:48 PM

          Yep, tons of people deleted after that.

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        December 21, 2024 8:41 AM

        He didn't deserve that. And now he's gone. I had chatted with abrasion many times over the years. Can't help but wish I had reached out more or something.

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        December 21, 2024 9:15 AM

        " If you’re serious about fostering a community aligned with values like respect and inclusivity, "

        Narrator : .......

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        December 21, 2024 3:55 PM

        dear lord, if common sense were common, it would be great

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      December 20, 2024 5:58 PM

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      December 20, 2024 5:58 PM

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        December 20, 2024 6:03 PM

        Perma-ban

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        December 21, 2024 9:26 AM

        I have no issues with smutty content. Unless the content remotely references or uses “rape” in the name of content, or in the content. Have no way of verifying this, so I just ignore it now. Maybe the mods just put it on “NWS”?

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      December 20, 2024 6:03 PM

      Shame my mercury sub was useless. Explains why I never got rewards after years @ $100

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      December 20, 2024 6:03 PM

      The updated guidelines still list ninjase as an active mod. Maybe give that list a second look?

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      December 20, 2024 6:04 PM

      I would hope you are lenient on banning for political posts. Seems like it would be pretty easy for a new person to come in and post something political without realizing it’s bannable.

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      December 20, 2024 6:05 PM

      I can support the decisions you're announcing here in a vacuum, but I find the history discussed here severely lacking, and the choices priority inverted.

      I don't do politics threads much, I usually keep the filter off. I don't like it when rancor spills out of that area either. But that's not happening because of the existence of politics threads, it's coming about because:

      1. Mods participated in the political discussions and in many cases fanned the flames of negative situations, both with their participation and with biased moderation.
      2. A decision long ago to more lightly moderate the politics threads allowed these personal attacks to create the division you mention.

      The politics threads aren't my favorite, again, but it doesn't seem like that the source of the issues here. It's the mods. You need new mods, new blood.

      Also, lumping us all together in the community as purveyors of the meme *igger dick typo as justification for this selective change is pretty weak. It's just trying to make us all some monolith of racism you are justified doing anything to -- except we aren't. Stop acting like these problems are universal and easy to solve with facile solutions like this, please engage with reality.

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      December 20, 2024 6:25 PM

      Here's an invite to Chatty Discord while this place circles the drain:
      https://discord.gg/thechatty

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        December 20, 2024 6:38 PM

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        December 20, 2024 6:58 PM

        Guess I need to get on the discord.

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        December 20, 2024 7:41 PM

        I joined I think but I don't get discord. Where is the main chatty hang? I see game chat but for the life of me can't figure out what role or server is where people just chat

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          December 20, 2024 7:44 PM

          the role thing is ridiculous, but if you can figure it out then it opens many different sub-threads focused on the topics you opted in to track.
          I check in there daily for news on VR, new games in general, PC technical support, specific genres and, well, now politics, apparently.

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            December 20, 2024 7:50 PM

            I guess it's not for me. I come to the chatty for just seeing what shackers are talking about, I don't actively seek out specific posts. The discord seems to be broken up into a million specific things

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            December 21, 2024 6:02 PM

            Wait but how do we get the roles?

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          December 20, 2024 7:56 PM

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        December 20, 2024 8:13 PM

        This forum is infinitely better to use than the Discord.

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        December 20, 2024 9:07 PM

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          December 21, 2024 6:06 AM

          I had the same problem. In the “welcome and rules” channel, there’s a little quake symbol you have to click on to accept the rules. Just read the full intro and it says what to do. I didn’t get that far to see it because I too was trying to find the “help and requests” section lol

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          December 21, 2024 9:29 AM

          Just message the site moderator, he’ll help you. It’s not super intuitive. And there’s “old nerds”, also. Both places are awesome imo, but i’ll almost too old to understand Discord

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      December 20, 2024 6:26 PM

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      December 20, 2024 6:45 PM

      It’s really a shame, I’ve been here since early 2000s (I think 2001) and since you’ve taken over, just one bad decision after another being made that fucks the community left and right. You clearly don’t care about it, so it’s a little insulting that you hide behind the guise of making it a better place to justify your awful decision making skills. Funny that it’s kinda like President Musky being a mentally unstable business man making decisions that ruin businesses, when all he had to do was invest and sit back while let someone else runs things to make them successful (see spacex and telsa: the early years). Whatever you got planned for this site, you clearly hated the community. It’s really a shame.

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      December 20, 2024 6:49 PM

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      December 20, 2024 6:50 PM

      "repeated threadshttiing" gets a perma now? are we even allowed to discuss those new guidelines here? because that one is completely arbitrary and will be abused by the mod team to perma their perceived enemies

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      December 20, 2024 6:58 PM

      I'll give you tree fiddy for the chatty.

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      December 20, 2024 6:59 PM

      I guess I’m the weird one for being fine with this. Everything must evolve.

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      December 20, 2024 7:02 PM

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      December 20, 2024 7:33 PM

      This is all a kick in the nuts.

      Mercury never mattered. Good to know we all kicked in for nothing and it has no impact on things if we cancel and is still available for purchase.
      You're removing representation for minorities, not helping them in some way, and you're deluded to think otherwise.
      No one knows the Shack or it's news coverage because it's not 1999 anymore and the world moved on a long, long time ago.
      This place continued to exist because of it's community and you are killing that outright. There's zero new users coming in and you're pushing a good chunk of the old hardcore out with this bullshit.

      I don't want to go somewhere else for the news of the day, I want to see what the people in the community I've been a part of for 20+ years are saying. I don't take part in those communities, I participate here. Or do while it still exists beyond SEO page of the day garbage, which is where we're heading once the community dies from stupid shit such as this.

      What the fuck, Asif. You're fucking us harder than Gamestop ever did. The abrasion thing was bad enough we assumed you went loco for a little bit but this is downright malicious.

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      December 20, 2024 7:38 PM

      Here is my brain dump
      I would like to know what online community has the best reputation with minority groups, women, and LGBTQ+ community members in the gaming industry?
      NONE OF THEM.
      Not sure what that statement is about, I think the shack is one of the most inclusive sites, because in our hearts we all loved GAMES first. We play games with people because we enjoy the game, then maybe you get to meet up sometime and you have no care what the person is about, we are all interested gamers.
      The US for sure has been hyper political since the rise of social media and I do think less bitching about politics is helpful to a community.

      Some guidelines you might want to add
      Comparing any living person to Hitler is a 30 day ban
      Freeze any shackpile after a max of 10 replies

      I think some of this is "not seeing the forest for the trees" and focusing too much on the negative and your own hatred of the current state of politics.

      One goal here is to create a safe place in which our own staff will want to engage - If any staff participate in the chatty the website does a terrible job letting members know who is "staff" I have made several comments on news stores over the years and I am not sure one "Staff" member has ever replied.
      Good luck I appreciate all the shack has offered me over 20+ years

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      December 20, 2024 7:38 PM

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      December 20, 2024 7:39 PM

      I’m no celebrity Shacker. I started lurking in 2006/7 and then a member a little later. I don’t subscribe to Mercury and my engagement is spotty. But damn, if I don’t just love the hell out of the chatty for so many reasons.

      I always thought this place rather Liberal and understanding of others, minorities, and the different challenges we all face. It’s rather disappointing to hear management describe the chatty in such a contrasting way.

      My personal views have largely grown and become more progressive as I spent time in this community, almost daily, over the years. Admittedly, if I didn’t relate to the chatty on many core values the way I do, the chatty would have fallen to the wayside. But the chatty is so unique. It has no equal. And I love it.

      I can understand not wanting to deal with the problems of bringing a group together from all walks of life. It’s not easy! Sadly I see this turn of events as a poor decision though. One that might solve some problems in the short term, but lose so much more in the process.

      I appreciate everything management and the community have done. I honestly have no idea other than maybe the discord, where to go now. The chatty is quite bloody literally my internet. I will be lost without it.

      I’m sad. I am really damn sad about this. I love you Shack. :(



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      December 20, 2024 7:40 PM

      This is just weird nonsense. A total mischaracterization of the nature and tenor of the forum over the last decade at least. I just don’t understand what the point of this gaslighting is - if you want to change the site into something different then just say so, but don’t try to bullshit everybody that it’s for their own good and to protect people who weren’t asking for it from aggression that doesn’t exist.

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      December 20, 2024 7:41 PM

      Man, right on the as I'm getting ready for the country to go to hell in general, this site also deciding to help make the world a worse place to live in fucking sucks. At least the spinoff communities don't feel actively disdainful of their members.

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        December 20, 2024 7:48 PM

        Just FYI, Asif, this community and those political posts is a huge part of my re-evaluation of my own views and beliefs around a ton of issues. I grew up in a very conservative household and did a lot of growing up. Interactions with people here were critical to that. This was literally the only place I felt comfortable starting to express my own queer identity as I started becoming aware of it. I didn't even tell my girlfriend until years after I'd admitted it here.

        I would be a significantly worse human being without the influence of this community. Sucks to see someone just decide to destroy it.

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          December 20, 2024 8:15 PM

          You’re making an assumption when you think management wants this to be a “progressive” place.

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            December 20, 2024 8:21 PM

            I'm expressing my feelings on what I find valuable about this place. If those are counter to management's desires, then it would seem I'm no longer welcome here and I find that disappointing.

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      December 20, 2024 7:43 PM

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      December 20, 2024 7:48 PM

      It's insulting that you think we're so stupid we'd believe your bullshit rationale--that by silencing political discussion you're somehow helping the minorities... who are being hurt by the very issues we can no longer talk about.

      I regret giving you money through Mercury, especially since you've now told us that it was meaningless.

      The abrasion kerfuffle made me suspect you're a terrible person. This update removes all doubt.

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      December 20, 2024 7:53 PM

      The fucking irony of all of this standing up to political threads and silencing cohorts of people. And right this very moment the website flys this "black lives matter" link at the top. Fucking hypocrites

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      December 20, 2024 7:55 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:00 PM

      Good riddance to the politics thread. I wish I would have never started the political/trump daily dump in 2016.

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      December 20, 2024 8:03 PM

      Back from the first part of my holidays... what's everyone overreacting to now?

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      December 20, 2024 8:09 PM

      I read probably between 10 and 20 pages of political comments a day on Something Awful. I’ve been doing it for the past 4 years. Not exaggeration, every day for the past four years. I can say honestly the quality of both discussions and moderation there is head and shoulders above Shack. I really do wish people would step outside of this place. This is nothing but echo chamber, and it’s impossible to have discussions here if your opinion doesn’t fall in line with opinions of mods and a few vocal posters.

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      December 20, 2024 8:10 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:10 PM

      So discussion of Harry Potter will be banned going forward, right? Because that is by far where the most transphobia was openly and flagrantly displayed by members of the community in the past few years, and I did not see the mass bannings then that are occurring now.

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      December 20, 2024 8:17 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:22 PM

      Wazzzzz good forgot to ban me lmao

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      December 20, 2024 8:22 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:25 PM

      In fact, many of the unmoderated hateful posts in the last ten years have appeared in political threads usually found in massive derailed subthreads.

      This is completely true. That and ninjase's departure would give the impression political threads are impossible to moderate on shacknews. And no I don't think new mods would solve these problems. Am I on copium? I understand that the discourse was often good but then you'd find something that probably should have been nuked hours ago and it's always been like this.

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      December 20, 2024 8:34 PM

      Bruh, using marginalized folks to sell your shit is fucked. What we’ve wanted—always—is better moderation. We’ve wanted folks to shut down hateful bullshit and the obvious troll/bait posts. We’ve wanted people to actually listen when we point out the things people are doing or saying. And y’all haven’t done shit.

      And now you’re walling off conversations about the shit that affects us more deeply than others, and you say you’re doing it in our name?

      Get absolutely fucked, man. Especially after the abrasion shit, you’ve got some fucking nerve.

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        December 20, 2024 8:39 PM

        It’s fundamentally offensive.

        And imagine, it’s taken Asif three to four weeks to come up with this justification.

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          December 20, 2024 8:44 PM

          I just imagine him sitting back with steepled fingers.

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      December 20, 2024 8:36 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:46 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:50 PM

      This whole thing is really sad. I’ve been hanging here with you guys for decades. I hope something of this community survives here or elsewhere. If it dies then honestly a part of me does too.

      I never came here to talk about anything in particular (people have always talked about politics and science and religion and whatever else beyond video games). I came here to talk to you. All of you. You jackanapes played a role in who I became as a person as we all grew up together. I don’t think I’ll ever delete, but I’ll miss those of you who do.

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        December 20, 2024 8:57 PM

        It really should have been spun off into something else imo. I will miss the posters here as 100% it has been a great place for me and the posters have been top notch compared to the ret of the internet.

        I wish everyone the best.

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        December 20, 2024 9:01 PM

        I feel the exact same way

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        December 20, 2024 9:01 PM

        A bunch of us are together on discord and we have channels set up so you can specifically toggle the things you're interested in.

        You'd be a welcome addition (and that goes for basically everyone here).

        https://discord.gg/thechatty

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          December 20, 2024 9:11 PM

          Yeah I’ve been on the discord for some time. It’s not the same though. Much more ephemeral. Like the old flat mode shack actually. But it’s good to see some old names there.

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            December 20, 2024 9:49 PM

            Yes part of the reason I like it here other than the community is the actual message board format. It's not the same in an IRC-like format.

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            December 21, 2024 1:58 AM

            I feel the same way about the discord format. Much more difficult to just drop in and check on things.

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        December 20, 2024 9:05 PM

        I'm in the same boat. It's really sad.

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        December 20, 2024 9:20 PM

        Idk what I’m going to do to fill the void. Huge part of my daily life… since before I was an adult

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        December 20, 2024 9:21 PM

        It's not even the political threads being gone that saddens me. It's the hostile approach and attitude of the article and the fact that this is going to fracture an already struggling and shrinking community.

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          December 20, 2024 9:25 PM

          Yeah honestly if he had just said something like “sorry guys, I know a lot of you love the politics threads but from a business perspective I regretfully have to shut that down.” Followed by some gentle nukes/freezes to guide enforcement over the first few months, people might have been more understanding. I would still come here without the political threads, but there’s no point being here if everyone else is gone.

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          December 20, 2024 9:39 PM

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        December 20, 2024 9:25 PM

        Yup. Fry's Discord server just isn't the same but I don't know what the fallback would be

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        December 21, 2024 12:46 AM

        This is basically how I feel, too. I come here to have discussions and learn about a wide variety of things and always have. I can't even count the number of little things in my life that I would never know about if it wasn't for the people here. The whole reasoning for this seems really contrived and contrary to the spirit of this community. It just makes me real damn sad.

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        December 21, 2024 3:20 AM

        Well said

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        December 21, 2024 9:14 AM

        Nothing says it better for me.

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        December 21, 2024 10:13 AM

        VantageAI will live on

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      December 20, 2024 8:52 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:57 PM

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      December 20, 2024 8:59 PM

      I've posted on this website 25,568 times.

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      December 20, 2024 9:17 PM

      Someone Explain Like I am Five years old to me. No more political threads or talk?

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      December 20, 2024 9:19 PM

      Feels written like a giant f you to a lot of shackers.

      To basically say it's your site, too bad, screw what anyone else thinks and then cap it off by belittling those of us who supported via mercury. Especially when the site was struggling and it was the top source of revenue? Cool cool.

      You risk being king of an empty castle... But at least you'll be king, I guess?

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        December 20, 2024 9:29 PM

        It's the Elon move, I bought it and I will force it into the image of what I want vs. what the community made it. No matter if that diminishes the community and drives out more of exactly the people I am claiming to try and protect (and have completely failed to listen to this whole time, up to and including now).

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      December 20, 2024 9:29 PM

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      December 20, 2024 9:35 PM

      Thanks for letting us know how you feel I hope Shacknews continues to have an awesome community. Thanks for keeping the lights on and dealing with all of us.

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      December 20, 2024 9:38 PM

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      December 20, 2024 9:54 PM

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      December 20, 2024 9:58 PM

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      December 20, 2024 10:06 PM

      Dude… just, what in the fuck? Do we live in the same reality? I don’t even know where to begin without quoting out and responding paragraph by paragraph and it’s really tempting, but I don’t want to do that right now on my phone. So, I’ll assume you do live in the same reality, and I’ll just ask if you ever read the chatty as a non-moderator? You’d think this place was fucking storm front forums

      I also want to say that I generally liked you, but I lose respect for you every day that goes by where you don’t apologize for what was done to abrasion. And frankly, it makes what you’ve written in this post even more absurd and impossible to take seriously.

      Also, your staff, in this thread, is one of the biggest douchebags I’ve ever read on this site. If your goal is to be more welcoming to that then I’m definitely out.

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      December 20, 2024 10:06 PM

      I, for one, welcome all of the LGBTQ+ and lady-Shackers that will come flooding into the chatty.

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      December 20, 2024 10:08 PM

      I was super happy to sign up for Mercury when that became a thing because for many years this has been like an online home for me, but holy shit this ain't it fam. I miss what this place used to be.

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        December 20, 2024 10:25 PM

        same here, I even kept sending my $100 during the times I was unemployed. Crazy to feel like I just got spat in the face for it, but the venom and sheer resentment for the community that oozes from every paragraph of this announcement was incredibly painful to read

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          December 20, 2024 10:37 PM

          I have to assume it really all boils down to resentment over lack of engagement and a perceived lack of respect for the front page articles and other features.

          He lacks objectivity or perspective on the matter, and instead of acknowledging or accepting that fact and moving on, he cruelly lashes out at the biggest perceived threats like abrasion, political post participants, and now, even more laughably, mad dog.

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            December 20, 2024 11:01 PM

            And to be fair, I’d probably feel resentful because of that too. But like, try to look at the situation from the perspective of a chat user and you’d not take it so personally.

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          December 21, 2024 2:32 PM

          That part was insulting as fuck. I'm broke, probably one of the poorest people who posts here, and I was still trying to pitch in for this place I loved. I know what I put in is peanuts, but it's all I could do. I strongly regret it now.

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      December 20, 2024 10:09 PM

      Bye bye mrs american pie

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      December 20, 2024 10:16 PM

      This is like when the rich dork buys up all the cool warehouses, lets everyone think they’re safe for 10 years, then triples the rent with the intention of tearing it down to build a shitty gym and ugly apartments for rich douchebags

      This is internet gentrification !!

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        December 20, 2024 10:17 PM

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        December 20, 2024 10:31 PM

        It's more like a strip mall that used to have good stores but now it's just pawn shops, payday loans, and money laundering fronts as the owner extracts the last bit of money from some dying neighborhood.

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      December 20, 2024 10:17 PM

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      December 20, 2024 10:28 PM

      Whooooooo wee. Welp, F2 F2

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        December 20, 2024 10:34 PM

        I called Clay. He’s reforming GCR

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          December 20, 2024 10:47 PM

          I would also like to thank haiku for rescuing me from a similar IP situation from some other asshole

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      December 20, 2024 10:28 PM

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      December 20, 2024 10:43 PM

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      December 20, 2024 11:14 PM

      I was so optimistic when community feedback led to the change to 24 hour post timers. Maybe new life could come to the chatty. In ways, it felt like it had. Had.

      I don’t have strong personal convictions to either ditch or keep the politics thread, but the feedback was as lopsided as a community opinion can be.

      A bummer, bummer indeed.

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      December 20, 2024 11:20 PM

      I don't even know what to say that hasn't already been said. This whole situation just makes me sad. I've been coming here since I was a teenager. I was actually a member of the Shack's forum (the other Shacknews community) before I joined the chatty. Anyway, I'm in my 40s now. Hopefully this isn't the beginning of the end, but I guess All Good Things...

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        December 20, 2024 11:48 PM

        Same! … except I don’t have hope for recovery, this pretty much confirms my growing fears since the start of the political thread announcement.

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      December 20, 2024 11:39 PM

      FFS, have you never heard of no change Fridays?

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        December 21, 2024 2:17 AM

        “Never deploy on a Friday unless you want to work the weekend”

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          December 21, 2024 7:27 AM

          It's more like how, ironically enough, in politics you always release terrible news on a Friday so it hopefully falls out of the newscycle by Monday

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      December 20, 2024 11:42 PM

      It is incredible how terrible this whole thing was handled by ownership and parts of the community.

      While I'm not expecting much from some in the community I am amazed that someone with his own front page reply guy/editor/writer didn’t have staff help him write up something coherent that doesn’t read like a ill-conceived accumulation of petty grievances, strawman arguments and unnecessary/unprofessional digs. Actually nevermind if the guy posting in the thread is any indication of the quality of your writers.

      You could have cut that shit in half wit a less contentious tldr of:

      "Chatty is not helpful to the brand we are trying to build, politics threads are contentious, exhausting and hard to mod by people I do not pay. I understand that this will be unpopular but we are making a hard cut going forward and I hope you guys can take your politic discussion to a dedicated space with black jack and hookers."

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      December 21, 2024 12:16 AM

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      December 21, 2024 12:17 AM

      This whole thing is super sad and weird. I always thought of shacknews as a more open and progressive website and I really enjoyed reading posts of members of the LGBTQ+ community. When I describe Shacknews to my offline friends I often say that I am fascinated that this group of random people who originally came here for the love of a "violent killer game" is actually quite open and progressive.

      I already posted about the benefits that I got from the political threads and why I think banning them is a very bad thing so I won't repeat it here. The decision has been made. But I will say that I certainly did not see LGBTQ+ people being driven away by hateful people? If this would have been the case and if I had the feeling that the chatty was a hateful and right wing leaning place I would have stopped coming here a long time ago!

      I had the impression that LGBTQ+ people were being driven away because they were not allowed to express themselves because of the new moderation rules that banned talking about politics.

      And also it feels like your post Asif was written with a lot of emotion/anger and like it came from a bad place. It doesn't feel very professional. Sure, it's your website and all, I just hope you are alright.

      I love shacknews and I would be very sad if it would implode.

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      December 21, 2024 1:20 AM

      Using the typo in 10% bigger dick as an argument for racism is GOP level propaganda.

      The "if you don't like it then fuck off" tone of the whole thing is the worst handling of community I have ever seen.

      Trying to sell it as "inclusive" and "pro-LGBTQ" when you ban discussions on these topics at the same time is hypocritical at best.

      Complaining about people being shitty to one another after you being super shitty to abrasion and never apologised for it is really something.

      Poor showing, man. But this is your money and your site, of course. You want to ban everyone you don't like then please go ahead.

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        December 21, 2024 3:30 AM

        I agree with this 100%, shacknews has always been my internet home and this is all super depressing

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        December 21, 2024 3:31 AM

        I agree with this 100%, shacknews has always been my internet home and this is all super depressing

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      December 21, 2024 1:49 AM

      Child smashes sand castle because it didn't turn out right.

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        December 21, 2024 5:36 AM

        how else do you build something better if not upon the ruins of the old and broken?

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      December 21, 2024 1:49 AM

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      December 21, 2024 1:54 AM

      Maybe the problem is - among other things - that you are adding the following FINALLY in TYOOL2024
      "Things like the use of racist, homophobic, transphobic slurs or any other hate speech will be met with zero tolerance going forward."

      These should have been against the rules ages ago. Stop trying to to hide behind a false shield of LGBTQIA+ rights, etc.

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      December 21, 2024 3:05 AM

      The OVERWHELMING response to your post should tell you how stupid you are acting.

      just implement's reddit up/down votes and perma ban people with a history of negative posts.
      or to use shack tags, make wtf a 'down' vote and freeze threads with a wtf count over X. and if you can't, pay someone with your giant money hats to rewrite the backend to make this possible. Like $10 or so I'd bet.

      this huge dumb ass post because you dunno how to moderate politics, didn't hire people to moderate politics, got crappy volunteer moderators that don't align with the community as a whole.

      Maybe fix this problem instead?

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      December 21, 2024 3:51 AM

      I wish some of these decisions were made after back and forth dialogue. Maybe I missed the background discussion but there doesn't seem to be evidence of leadership and community members engaging in conversation, it feels like community members and leaders and posting in parallel without the interactive piece where we all work together and reconcile differences.

      If I missed something then please let me know who in the community Asif had a dialogue with prior to this announcement?

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        December 21, 2024 4:01 AM

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          December 21, 2024 6:20 AM

          I'm just surprised that so many shackers work in organizations and businesses where we communicate with co workers and clients effectively to solve problems but suddenly everything goes out the window and breaks down when it comes to an internet forum.

          I would suppose it require some talking over the phone or via zoom which isn't our main mode of discourse but I just think these large issues cannot be resolved with posts that can be just ignored.

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      December 21, 2024 4:18 AM

      Never got a chance to reply in some of the other threads about this change but like some others here the Shack was a huge part of how I changed my views politically and about the world. While people say things like "you'll never change their mind" about arguing/discussing things with people on the other side politically that's exactly what happened to me over years here. It's weird for me to think now but when I first started coming here regularly and posting I was a huge conservative, and was getting in all sorts of back and forths. Never anything bad, was never banned or anything, but over time as I was exposed to other views here and attempting to argue my own I started to question things and realize a lot about how my position was kinda bullshit.

      When friends now have asked how I switched political views so much I laugh and point at getting in lots of arguments on a gaming website and realizing "wait, I might be super wrong!" The process of going through those discussions with ya'll is something I'm hugely grateful for.

      tldr; I came for the games and got exposed to a ton of opinions and points of view I wouldn't have otherwise. And it made a huge difference in my life. Makes me sad to know this really won't be a possibility anymore.

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        December 21, 2024 5:09 AM

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          December 21, 2024 6:04 AM

          Well said and +1 to the patience. I think about that all the time. I know no one owned me that patience and I totally understand the exhaustion of having to educate people around you all the time, so it only makes me all the more grateful for those that did have that patience and did take that time.

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            December 21, 2024 7:44 AM

            Well said to both of you, thanks for sharing that. I'm in the same boat.

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      December 21, 2024 4:38 AM

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      December 21, 2024 5:12 AM

      Been here more than 20 years and like anything all good things come to an end. Sad to see it die like this.

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      December 21, 2024 5:20 AM

      If you feel like this path forward is not your Shacknews, you are right. It is my Shacknews.

      The general tone of this announcement is even worse than the actual decision to ban politics.

      I never came to this place for a single topic, whether it's politics or video games or whatever. And unlike a lot of the posters I thought that politics actually has had noticeable negative impact on this place over the last decade, with people deleting or getting banned or just being driven away - although to be clear straight up banning the topic seems like the wrong approach and I don't agree with it at all.

      But the way this whole change has been rolled out combined with this announcement just reeks of disdain for the community, with every other paragraph demonizing the posters. I'm not going to be dramatic and delete or thanks.txt, but I suspect the amount of time I spend here will continue to dwindle.

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      December 21, 2024 5:28 AM

      Chiming in here to say this is a giant crock of shit. Thanks for the slap in the face asif, good luck with your website of crock.

      Also, i never received my FUCKING hoodies!!!

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        December 21, 2024 6:46 AM

        No one in the last year got their merch, including myself

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      December 21, 2024 5:33 AM

      safe spaces are the ultimate expression of an unwillingness and inability to cope with the simple reality that it's not anything about you that the world hates. It's just you.

      aside from that, it all makes sense, and I hope it improves the atmosphere.

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      December 21, 2024 6:12 AM

      I've been coming here so long it's really just a habit. It's certainly not the gaming content on the front page. Or the incredible lack of value of a Mercury sub. The quality of the FP stuff has been deteriorating for years and hasn't been relevant to me for a long time, especially after your take-over as editor. Boasting about being a shill quote for publishers that no one recognizes is hilarious to me. Certainly a far cry from the integrity the editorial staff of the past valued.

      The quality of the Android app has a lot to do with it too. Crazy how much unpaid volunteer work went into propping this community up. It's a testament to the greatly skilled and genuinely good people that represent the best of us.

      Despite what you say, you've made it clear through your actions time and time again that this community is not what you value at all. Whatever this announcement was, it certainly wasn't a clarifying one. I hope you one day can enjoy your website? Was that the point?

      Not deleting my account but will be deleting the Android app. So long, and thanks for all the fish.

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        December 21, 2024 6:39 AM

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        December 21, 2024 7:52 AM

        i could have written this. this place is mostly just a habit and a compulsion for me these days. there's obviously a sickness in this place and i don't want to be part of it. not deleting, but taking a break.

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      December 21, 2024 6:29 AM

      wouldn’t waste me time reading that, BUT I did want to ask when we should expect the holiday shack give away, I’m hoping you included some PS5 pros this year.

      Looking forward to it thanks!!!

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      December 21, 2024 6:46 AM

      Welp...it was a good run while it lasted, guys!

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      December 21, 2024 7:03 AM

      Holy shit you really need to hire a PR and Community Manager because your post? Hot damn, that is anything but welcoming. Your disdain for the community that has been here long before you purchased the site is oozing from every sentence.

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        December 21, 2024 7:26 AM

        Yeah, community manager is one of the (several) filters that was needed. We're seeing a guy go through some stuff in real time and it should have been a leadership group only venting session and not a company wide email :(

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      December 21, 2024 7:09 AM

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      December 21, 2024 7:16 AM

      I appreciate you bro esp when I best you in Shaqball.

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      December 21, 2024 7:31 AM

      I haven't been around much lately but I still lurk occasionally and while I have no feelings to share on these changes, I just wanted too say that I hope this doesn't kill the chatty as many are expecting. It's been a huge part of my life for over 20 years at this point.

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        December 21, 2024 8:06 AM

        Same here. :( It’s maybe the only social media site I’d truly be sad to see go.

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        December 21, 2024 12:27 PM

        It is not going to kill the chatty

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          December 21, 2024 1:05 PM

          Continuing to exist as a shell of what it was is the same thing.

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      December 21, 2024 7:49 AM

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        December 21, 2024 9:26 AM

        i see INFs but I disagree. that doesn’t mean I don’t have very harsh criticism for Asif but that’s dirty laundry.

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      December 21, 2024 8:00 AM

      https://imgur.com/a/oMekZtM

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      December 21, 2024 8:03 AM

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      December 21, 2024 8:09 AM

      So, are we moving somewhere? I'm lost. :)

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      December 21, 2024 8:12 AM

      Thanks for letting me know I should cancel my Mercury subscription.

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      December 21, 2024 8:13 AM

      Looks like that post was so offensive to you that you had it nuked... 19 years later

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      December 21, 2024 8:19 AM

      The road ahead for Shacknews leads into a sinkhole

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      December 21, 2024 8:22 AM

      All I wanted for Christmas were new mods and a deletion of the decades-old banlist.....

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        December 21, 2024 8:59 AM

        I think replacing the permanent with a 2 (or 1) year ban would be interesting. Anyone invested enough to come back after 2 years must be invested in the community:

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          December 21, 2024 9:04 AM

          That banlist represents decades of dust-covered grudges and long-forgotten petty tit-for-tats and nothing else. Letting go of it would be a breath of fresh air for the entire website.

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          December 21, 2024 11:31 AM

          Lifetime bans have always been ridiculous to me. Should be a year max unless someone is breaking laws

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            December 21, 2024 11:44 AM

            I don't think anyone predicted websites lasting three decades so 'perma' was never quite what it meant

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      December 21, 2024 8:23 AM

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      December 21, 2024 8:31 AM

      https://www.shacknews.com/cortex/article/544/how-to-delete-your-shacknews-account
      This was "humor" from 2021 but I didn't find it funny and still don't in light of this news.

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      December 21, 2024 8:32 AM

      This is unfair! https://i.imgur.com/sTqtC5Q.png

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      December 21, 2024 8:57 AM

      Oof, removing political threads feels like a really bad idea to me :(

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      December 21, 2024 9:07 AM

      If Shacknews is a place to discus technology, finance, and emerging fields, isn't discussing the political ramification of the new technology, of the financial changes, and the political ramifications of the emerging fields would seemingly be allowed?
      How can one discuss Electric Vehicles without discussing Elon Musk, and when discussing about Elon Musk, how can one avoid mentioning how he has become involved in politics, and how he runs X/Twitter has had political ramifications?
      How can emerging technology, such as drones delivering packages, without discussing political ramifications such as ownership of air space above personal property or who is responsible for possible damage to property caused by a drone delivery gone wrong?
      How can finance be discussed without disusing the politics of the Federal Reserve?

      You say that this is the first step towards making Shacknews more welcoming, but the tone of the article is anything but. You actions towards several community members in the past, especially Abrasion, violate these guidelines, and would warrant a permanent ban were you a regular user of this site. I have supported this site in the past with a Mercury subscription, but with the tone of the message and the replies of some of the staff in this thread, as well the comments of most of the community being ignored / not being addressed, I can no longer support this site.
      I'm not going to immediately leave, and I'm not going to delete my account, but I can't in good conscience financially support this site.

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      December 21, 2024 9:12 AM

      While I agree with a lot of the sentiment above, I also hope this isn’t the end of a place that has been and still is so important to me. I hope we figure out a way forward and this doesn’t prompt a mass exodus, as there is no way we’ll manage to recreate this thing anywhere else.

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      December 21, 2024 9:42 AM

      I agree with most everyone commenting here, especially those who occupy a marginalized group. I have really strong feelings about one specific topic, but, again, the topic has been raised, so I’ll let anyone reading this decide for themselves how they should feel bout all of this. Before anyone jumps on me for saying that, let me preface that statement by saying that I have encountered crazier posts here directed at me, a white dude in his early 50s. I apologize on behalf of the rest of us. White men suck. I did LSD in my 20s, but not too much. Ok, ok, on to my opinion.

      Here is my original opinion on this Statement. I think it’s awesome that one of my favorite Shackers of all time was referenced via his actions and services offered in sentence #4.

      That’s it. Carry on

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      December 21, 2024 9:43 AM

      There’s no Selfie Saturday.

      If Milleh has been driven off, then we have truly lost the best of us.

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        December 21, 2024 9:53 AM

        He's over on the discord, come join us

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        December 21, 2024 9:56 AM

        he is writing terrifier 4

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        December 21, 2024 10:19 AM

        strong "If I've lost Cronkite" energy

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        December 21, 2024 11:00 AM

        I was actually looking forward to that today

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        December 21, 2024 11:43 AM

        If anything is a red flag about these decisions, this is, imagine if we had a thousand Milleh's on this site, it would be fucking glorious to read

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        December 21, 2024 11:48 AM

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      December 21, 2024 10:20 AM

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      December 21, 2024 10:39 AM

      so its gonna be even more of an echo chamber than it is now...swell

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      December 21, 2024 11:03 AM

      You are a weak person. Your money gives you the ability to buy your safe space, but this will not make it better for people you pretend to fight for.

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      December 21, 2024 11:28 AM

      this is worse than the ending to game of thrones

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      December 21, 2024 11:42 AM

      Does this mean that there’s not going to be a Shackmas Giveaway this year?

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      December 21, 2024 11:48 AM

      I’m out of here.

      To all of you who pushed for this and enabled it:

      Kick rocks in your own shitty, ignorant asses.

      Shame on all of you.

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        December 21, 2024 11:49 AM

        NO HOODIES! FUCK!

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          December 21, 2024 12:23 PM

          You thought they were yours. They are his.

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        December 21, 2024 12:23 PM

        I pushed for banning the politics thread because it was the number 1 cause of making people leave the site. Cause I want more people on the site. But it’s basically like a battleground or a big open door for completely uninformed or ignorant people to catapult their polarized opinions like never before. I have sympathy for anyone who had accepted the daily task of moderating it for the last ten years. I would probably have gone insane by now if I had to do that.

        When DJT got elected, trump dump was the daily outrage thread about it. And I feel like it just brought a bunch of outrage on the sight and magnified the polarization. I guess I would just prefer if people of widely differing opinions were able to just hang out and do their arguing elsewhere on twitter , Facebook and etc and have the chatty be more of an escape where we just talk about nerd shit. I am a member of a dozen very active communities where people nerd out 24/7 and political discussion is completely banned, and they are just fine. I’m just trying to figure out why Shacknews is this anomaly which cant exist without a polarized battleground. And I can’t figure out why no one can see or admit that its existence lowers the mood of the whole place. Am I just delusional ? Shacknews is the only place I frequent where political discussion is such a problem.

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          December 21, 2024 12:27 PM

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            December 21, 2024 12:29 PM

            But they’ve banned political threads before and things were just fine lol. I feel like because this was so long ago there is amnesia about it

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              December 21, 2024 12:31 PM

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                December 21, 2024 12:38 PM

                Even if I did use the filter , something like 20 account deletions happen a year for major contributing posters due to beef they get into in polarized political discussions. So , yeah okay , I will engage the filter and then inevitably still get a shackmessage per month from a long time friend saying “hey sleepy this is my discord/instagram/cell etc so we can keep in touch cause this site is so garbage” and I’m like uhhhhhhh what happened ? I usually know exactly what happened

                Or I wonder about them after a while and see that they deleted their account. This is what it’s like and I have no motive to lie about it - people message me when they nope out of this place and it’s a huge bummer. Because what , they couldn’t reconcile a grudge over politics or for shackpiled/mobbed. It only happens in political threads

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              December 21, 2024 12:32 PM

              As riveting as your eating ass posts are some of us came to talk politics.

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                December 21, 2024 12:46 PM

                I get it. I really do. But I don’t think the reality of how utterly volatile it has been for those who just want to talk about comics and books and movies and video games and etc. it’s like having a bunch of friends over for a party and you’ve bought pizza , set up the big screen, pulled out the rolly chairs from the garage, set up the Dreamcast , etc and then everyone just argues about politics. Like, we really could have done that elsewhere and just partied instead

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                  December 21, 2024 12:47 PM

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                    December 21, 2024 12:53 PM

                    It certainly hasn’t been as polarized as it is now. I cannot be convinced that the polarization levels are not larger now than ever. I guess that’s my problem. I just can’t see how it isn’t more extreme and powderkeggy. If two people disagree it is like one side is trying to murder the children of the other. The gloves come off almost immediately

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                  December 21, 2024 12:56 PM

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                    December 21, 2024 1:30 PM

                    The analogy still pretty much works: There's a party at someones house. You drive there. There's a discussion going on in the main room about politics. Eventually you go to another room to play dreamcast or whatever, talk about anime and comic books. Every once in a while someone comes into the room you're in and they talk mad shit about someone in the other room, and you're like, "oh, damn. Yeah I don't know, I've just been playing games in here. Anyway, do you appreciate the sexual appeal of video game characters like Bayonetta and 2B from Nier Automata, and is there any shame in having honest & felt attraction to those characters?" And then the other person is like, "Dude, why can't you be more serious? People are dying in the other room. This place sucks" and I'm like "oh well then come hang out in here for a bit it's pretty chill tbh" And eventually yeah you peek your head in the other room and realize everyone has left the other room

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                      December 21, 2024 1:39 PM

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                        December 21, 2024 1:43 PM

                        I think when Switch 2 comes out it will reinvigorate things quite a bit. With Metroid Prime 4, TOTK/BOTW in 4k/60fps, astral chain 60fps, upscaled game catalog

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                          December 21, 2024 1:50 PM

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                            December 21, 2024 1:52 PM

                            He’s taking the piss. He repeats the same stupid thing all the time lol. Not worth engaging with the guy

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                              December 21, 2024 1:58 PM

                              I'm actually not. The last big "time of celebration" was when the Switch came out and everyone here loved it - the whole site seemed to converge on how awesome the hybrid console was. I understand I'm usually not very serious so its hard to calculate when I actually am being serious so I do not blame you. Your radar is not broken lol

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                                December 21, 2024 2:09 PM

                                I don’t want to blow your mind, but that was nearly 8 years ago. There’s never going to be a moment like that on this site again.

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                                  December 21, 2024 2:15 PM

                                  You are wrong. They tried banning political threads temporarily a while abck and things were fine. Good, even

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                      December 21, 2024 1:39 PM

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                      December 21, 2024 1:41 PM

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              December 21, 2024 2:16 PM

              This is not true. There was a few weeks break ONCE. Stop making crap up.

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                December 21, 2024 2:26 PM

                Yeah and wasn't it fine?

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                  December 21, 2024 2:30 PM

                  I don’t know why I’m even engaging with you but what is the fucking point you’re trying to make here? lol

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                    December 21, 2024 2:50 PM

                    I was responding to your assertion, if I understood it correctly that during the two week break there was some kind of catastrophe as a result of it. That all of the marginalized groups (which would include me) were kidnapped in the middle of the night and tortured or something. Or that everyone didn't just get their news from other places anyway, reddit, twitter, etc

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                      December 21, 2024 2:53 PM

                      Never said a word about the two week break. You’re a super confused individual lol.

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                        December 21, 2024 2:59 PM

                        No argument there, I am very confused atm

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                  December 21, 2024 2:38 PM

                  It was certainly boring. But you can't even claim that as a point of comparison because everyone knew it was TEMPORARY.

                  You see everyone's reaction here. You see what this is doing to this place. I hope you're happy with the number of our (already severely diminished) long timers that are leaving or have already left. This is what you were asking for.

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                    December 21, 2024 2:51 PM

                    It seems like they were leaving on their own as it was, and that i'm being called insane for pointing that out. Am I insane? Like, what am I getting wrong here lol

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                      December 21, 2024 2:54 PM

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error

                      Many many people have stated without any uncertainty that they're leaving due to various offensive behaviors, none of which has ever included "the politics thread" or "the political discussion". Asif drastically exacerbated it with his disgusting attack on abrasion. The people leaving now are even saying it's because of this decision and because of his attitude. You are sticking your fingers in your ears and only seeing what you want to see.

                      Continue trolling as usual. I'm sure you'll have fun with the 50 or so people that will be left.

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                        December 21, 2024 3:49 PM

                        I really wish you and others would stop accusing me of trolling in this thread. i mean I get it though, I do make a lot of stupid posts. In this thread I am being serious. The assertion that people are leaving shacknews and that it has NOTHING to do with the political thread or political discussion can't really be understood by me ... or else what is THIS thread, if not a result of THE political thread? How are they not connected? This is what is blowing my mind.

                        I'd also like to point out that evreryone in history who has took it upon themselves to manage a community of 100+ shackers and their respective subcultures on a separate website or platforms has run into enormous issues keeping the place together with the shit-talking, and fighting and drama

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                      December 21, 2024 2:55 PM

                      You got what you wanted dude, have fun discussing Switch 2 with whoever is even left here when that happens.

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                      December 21, 2024 2:56 PM

                      No we were not. Yes you may be, who knows. Almost everything.

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                      December 21, 2024 3:05 PM

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                        December 21, 2024 3:29 PM

                        I guess my failure to understand this may have to do with the broader engagement I have with shackers over the decades. IRL, discord, instagram, whatsapp, my texts, etc. I think it just affects me harder because I can't filter it from my personal life

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          December 21, 2024 12:28 PM

          You're part of the solution I guess...the final solution.

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          December 21, 2024 12:28 PM

          The politics stuff isn't why people are leaving It's the gross statement and attitude from management. Nobody wants to stay and be a part of that

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            December 21, 2024 12:31 PM

            I’m talking about in general over the past years people leaving the site. Not just recently or now.

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              December 21, 2024 12:33 PM

              Well think of an event that happened a few years ago sleepy that was deeply offensive and you might find the answer

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              December 21, 2024 12:33 PM

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              December 21, 2024 1:28 PM

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              December 21, 2024 1:38 PM

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              December 21, 2024 2:00 PM

              I’ve seen those people leave. I’ve been involved in the threads where it happened. It was always — ALWAYS — a moderation issue. People allowed to be absolute assholes and people being bullied.

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                December 21, 2024 2:02 PM

                There are favored posters around here, some of them mods themselves, that are allowed to be absolute dickheads. It creates a power dynamic where equals aren’t discussing an issue. A powerless person is discussing an issue and an empowered authority is pushing them around. Hence… rage quits.

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                December 21, 2024 2:43 PM

                Yup, I've seen most of those happen with my own eyes too and you're absolutely correct.

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          December 21, 2024 12:32 PM

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          December 21, 2024 12:33 PM

          I'd bet anything more people left the Shack because of Asif's harassment of abrasion and how the community treated posters like BlackCat and Diane etc than have ever quit because of politics. I bet you guys don't even have any way to quantify that "politics causes ppl to leave" statement, just more empty excuses. It's just funny because we've all been posting here for 2 decades, we very easily know you're not telling the truth.

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            December 21, 2024 12:40 PM

            also the people who did quit over politics are likely predominantly the exact types of people also causing those users strife of their own (hay everybody I’m gonna give away lots of copies of Harry Potter in response to the trans folks saying supporting Harry Potter is bad)

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              December 21, 2024 12:43 PM

              Can't find this enough

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              December 21, 2024 12:44 PM

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                December 21, 2024 12:47 PM

                I couldn’t believe how many people here just hopped on board with the idea and enthusiastically supported it for days in a row but I suppose the trans folks weren’t surprised which is why they read the room and left

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                  December 21, 2024 2:03 PM

                  It was disgusting, despicable bullying and it was enabled by the mods.

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              December 21, 2024 1:49 PM

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            December 21, 2024 3:17 PM

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          December 21, 2024 12:38 PM

          Welp you got what you wanted, congrats I guess

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          December 21, 2024 12:45 PM

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          December 21, 2024 12:47 PM

          Reference that concept with people that literally have to move because of DJT and Stephen miller

          This WAS the safe space to vent

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          December 21, 2024 12:48 PM

          I think it's a silly reason to leave and there's carve outs for important events or things that affect you personally but the republicans are bad mmmkkky posts are samey and fatiguing and how many ways can the same thing be said over and over again?

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          December 21, 2024 12:49 PM

          Sleepy, I never read the threads you start, but I haven’t called for you to be permabanned. I just scroll past. If there had been a “Sleepy Filter”, I definitely would’ve used it. It’s unfortunate you’ve never reciprocated by just using the Political filter.

          And sometimes your unique brand of “humor” would spill over into other threads. Sometimes I’d start reading a comment and think, “what is this drivel?” and then realize you were the poster. But again, I didn’t complain about it; I just scrolled past. Which is why your (frequent) complaints about the Politics thread seemed so bizarre. Even hypocritical. You have been the single biggest contributor who actively lowers the “signal to noise” ratio of this site with your nonsense threads, whereas the daily Political was a useful, highly-informative resource that so many Shackers appreciated.

          And those that didn’t could just turn on their filters.

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            December 21, 2024 12:52 PM

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              December 21, 2024 12:58 PM

              He did post a picture of his jizz on his keyboard. That was pretty serious.

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              December 21, 2024 1:02 PM

              Festivus airing of grievances. ^^This is the kinda shit that annoys me. I'd rather have more mr. sleepy posts and roushimsx posts than pretend like we're at a Washington think tank.

              I'm engaged with politics, but I enjoy other posts here more. I'm also not calling for politics ban, but I'd certainly support turning on politics filter by default for everyone.

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                December 21, 2024 1:04 PM

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                  December 21, 2024 3:07 PM

                  Can’t filter, keys too sticky.

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                December 21, 2024 1:18 PM

                Lol roushimsx posts actually had content to do with video games and he actively explored the medium.

                The two posters are in no way comparable.

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                  December 21, 2024 1:25 PM

                  I post tons about video games. I was trying for weeks to get everyone into balatro for example

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                    December 21, 2024 1:25 PM

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                      December 21, 2024 1:33 PM

                      I had to take a break from Balatro because I was playing it too much. They do those year wrap-up things on PSonline, Steam and even Nintendo has one now. Across all those platforms, which I have purchased Balatro on every single one (because I own a steam deck, switch, and ps5) I had something like 750 hours logged combined and it made me feel depressed

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                December 21, 2024 1:56 PM

                I thought it was on by default

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                  December 21, 2024 1:57 PM

                  It is. It always has been as long as I can remember! This whole blow up is insane, but oh well, all the cool people are just on Discord now instead.

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                  December 21, 2024 1:59 PM

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                  December 21, 2024 2:41 PM

                  I suggest resetting everyone's filters to turn it off.

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                December 21, 2024 2:05 PM

                “Hey guys, is it just me or is the world falling apart around us? Can I talk about it?”

                WASHINGTON THINK TANK

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                December 21, 2024 3:19 PM

                Don’t you dare pick on roushi!

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            December 21, 2024 1:12 PM

            That was a very bold post

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            December 21, 2024 2:07 PM

            I can't agree hard enough.

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            December 21, 2024 3:15 PM

            100% agree

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          December 21, 2024 12:49 PM

          The two biggest inflection points that caused people to leave in recent history is the treatment of abrasion by the owner, and the shadowban of virus. The owner and the mods, not the community, caused more people to leave than anything else, so please reconsider your bullshit sleepy.

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            December 21, 2024 1:13 PM

            tbf virus earned himself a real ban anyway, mods made a “don’t be an asshole” post and he went through and harassed all his favorites in the replies to that very post like some misogynistic memes to the women he hated. Standard behavior for him.

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          December 21, 2024 1:07 PM

          Nah, you're not delusional about it lowering the mood.

          But that's more on the moderators for not issuing timeouts to people who can't have a level headed, reasoned discussion.

          So the most hotheaded, most virtue signalling people are the ones who dominate the tone.

          If we could keep personal attacks and strawmen to a minimum, I actually think the politics thread could be a lot more chill and not have the bleed over effect

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          December 21, 2024 1:54 PM

          I remember you being especially shitty about Ukraine threads. I understand, you're far away, don't give a shit about this war and people dying in it, but for some of us it is more personal and no one was forcing you to read these threads. Sure, you're a funny guy who excels at shitposting and trolling, great, congrats, but this shit really shows lack of basic understanding how adult humans work and absence of empathy.

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            December 21, 2024 2:24 PM

            I disagree, I think he was being honest about his feelings. He thought the Ukraine info dumps were weird, and they kinda were.

            Maddog was posting a bunch of Ukraine news that he wasn't even really reading. That alone was kinda strange. Like... post it if you read and you have something in particular you want to talk about.

            I for one appreciate Sleepy's honesty, even if I disagree with him about whether we should continue to have political discussion on the shack.

            What you're doing is the actual problem we have on the shack, which is basically making sweeping generalizations about somebody else's character because of a particular opinion they have.

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              December 21, 2024 2:26 PM

              Another nonissue that could be resolved by using the filters.

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              December 21, 2024 2:31 PM

              I don’t mind sleepy’s honesty either, and for a while the ukraine threads weren’t being marked as political, so I could see why it would bug him in particular.

              Of course, that begs the question why the ukraine war would be considered “political” at all.

              It’s fucking ridiculous on its face that major world events — things that could precipitate world war 3, for instance, and become maybe the defining events of our lives — couldn’t be discussed here. Those things would be discussed in the town square, those things would be discussed at a tabletop gaming session, those things would be discussed over couch co-op games.

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                December 21, 2024 2:45 PM

                I have never so much as suggested that they shouldn't. My favorite subjects in the world are politics, philosophy, history, religion, and spirituality. On shacknews its just why is a guy like Maddog the conversation starter on that when he doesn't even read the things he posts and it's kind of low quality, just sprinkle in half-hearted remarks or vague insinuations, "Fuck Vladimir Putin" (wow what a genius take on events, you must have really thought it out) hoping the bare minimum will light a spark and get others to join in. It is low quality discussion and it's easy to want it to be banned. I completely accept and understand that this is unpopular and makes people mad , and honestly if I was in any kind of executive position I probably wouldn't outright ban, but I would be very vocal about it. I have a very low opinion of the conduct of conversation on very serious topics on shacknews

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                  December 21, 2024 2:52 PM

                  I just…

                  With all due respect, if THAT’s your issue, I don’t get it. “Low quality discussion” is kind of your bread and butter. Amusing as it is sometimes.

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            December 21, 2024 2:30 PM

            I know something you don't know about the Ukraine threads and Maddog :)

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              December 21, 2024 2:51 PM

              Who cares? What even is this post, lol.

              I found many of the links he posted interesting, they were often containing information that was new to me, as I'm normally getting my war news from official, local sources. But oh it somehow was impacting your video games enjoyment, how sad. Well I hope you're happy now.

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          December 21, 2024 5:28 PM

          Well in a few short days banning it is now the number 1 cause

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          December 22, 2024 5:48 PM

          I'm sorry, but most of your posts are the most inane shit imaginable

          Some of us are deeply affected by politics and want to be able to talk about it. That's been most of my engagement here for the last 8 years or so. The difference is you have a filter that hides the stuff you don't want to see and I don't.

          You're worried about a trickle of people leaving, but you seem to completely discount people leaving in response to this fiasco (and not just banning discussion of politics, but the way it was handled: asking for feedback when they didn't give a shit, banning tons of people for BS reasons, and doing it all while absolutely dripping with disdain for people that have been having meaningful conversations here for decades

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        December 21, 2024 1:44 PM

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      December 21, 2024 12:47 PM

      This is an incredibly weak and arrogant post, and clearly you don't value the community at all if this is the best you could draft. At least have enough backbone to say the true reasons you don't want political threads to continue, rather than coming up with extremely tenuous explanations.

      You are the owner - so act like one.

      I'm not so surprised that it has come down to this, as it has been evident that you don't really care to foster the community here. Which is a shame, because it was probably the most unique asset the site had when you acquired it; with a bit of imagination, something could've been built from it. Without it, I'm not sure what separates it from any other gaming news website.

      (For what it's worth, I've mostly been a lurker here for 20+ years. A few years ago I decided to nuke my account, but the shack has been a fixture for me. Can't believe I reregistered to post this shit, lol.)

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      December 21, 2024 1:49 PM

      My late 2 cents just so I can mentally check the box that I shared some input in the COMMUNITY I've been a part of for over 25 years. A quarter of a century. Too damn long.

      This is soft, this is weak and this is bullshit but its also capitalism. You bought the site, you set the rules. It is, in fact, your Shacknews.

      That being said, you've said many times what drew you to purchase this site was the COMMUNITY, yet you continually double down on your apparent disdain, and have stated your regret for your involvement in this site. Over time, its been clear that you want to put the COMMUNITY of the site out to pasture and replace them with USERS/VIEWERS of the site. As a business, you can argue in good faith its right to focus on what brings in money, but you don't' make that argument. You make some other bullshit argument about driving off members and citing "10% n----r d--k" becoming an acceptable meme and hate speech against LGBTQ+, Jewish, and Muslim users, but these are MODERATION failures not COMMUNITY failures. If you feel like the posts and examples you cite are representative of the COMMUNITY, then why the fuck did you buy it in the first place while applauding the community aspect?

      You argue that "general political discussion has nothing to do with our day-to-day operations" while simultaneously:

      - Making decisions about content moderation (political)
      - Discussing representation and diversity (political)
      - Making statements about company values (political)
      - Asserting ownership rights ("It is my Shacknews") (political)

      You give up the goat with your "If you feel like this path forward is not your Shacknews, you are right. It is my Shacknews." It frames a fundamentally political decision as non-political while asserting absolute authority - exactly the kind of power dynamic that depoliticization often masks.

      The direction you are heading is completely counter to your stated goals, and will chip away at and erode the COMMUNITY aspect of the site - and since it seems you lost the thread, this COMMUNITY was brought together by shared interests, shared experiences, shared identity, mutual support on life's challenges, collective memory and shared evolution. Many of us started as punk ass kids who didn't know anything and grew in to real adults with real families and real contributions to society. You've put a cork in a large part of those shared ideals (while somehow pointing out some bullshit someone said WHEN THEY WERE A KID 20 YEARS AGO).

      What is this actually going to do to THIS COMMUNITY?

      - Create artificial separation between "political" and "technical" or "social" discussions when these are often interconnected which is going to destroy the flow of a lot of discourse had here
      - Create implicit hierarchies where status quo views are treated as "non-political" while challenges to them are labeled "political"
      - Marginalize voices and perspectives that already often become marginalized, as many social issues directly affect them
      - Issues that affect minority groups you are saying you're trying to represent will now get classified as "political" and thus unspeakable, while majority experiences are treated as neutral
      - Folks here will feel MORE blind sided by all of the political strife in the world because their ability and capacity to discuss them is being eroded - political literacy and resilience come from regular engagement with different viewpoints, not from avoiding them

      Suck man, you've dropped the ball on something that could have been something great. Good luck with your briefcasing.

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        December 21, 2024 2:12 PM

        too bad he isn't gunna read this

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          December 21, 2024 2:24 PM

          it was for personal catharsis kind of like when you write a letter to the people that killed your parents

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          December 21, 2024 2:33 PM

          He dropped this bomb, probably giving instructions to the mods “let the lemmings say whatever they want, let it all out this one time” and logged out.


          No one’s paying attention.

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          December 21, 2024 3:37 PM

          Oh he’s way too insecure to not read every post in this thread

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        December 21, 2024 2:16 PM

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        December 21, 2024 2:22 PM

        Extremely well put.

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        December 21, 2024 2:44 PM

        I wish I could INF this more than once.

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        December 21, 2024 4:53 PM

        Perfectly said.

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        December 21, 2024 6:54 PM

        This is the thread’s mic drop

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      December 21, 2024 3:13 PM

      tl:dr?

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      December 21, 2024 3:32 PM

      oh man, I missed some shit.
      Where are we going again?

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      December 21, 2024 3:41 PM

      What the hell happened with the tags in this thread ?

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      December 21, 2024 4:14 PM

      You have a real talent for building and supporting communities. They just happen to be the ones your users are fleeing to.

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      December 21, 2024 4:33 PM

      Engagement is up

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      December 21, 2024 11:19 PM

      I picked a weird time to log back in.

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      December 23, 2024 2:13 AM

      :(

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      December 23, 2024 2:32 PM

      What in the world?? Why have you done this? This is absolutely horrible. What are you doing?? This horrible post should be considered trolling and by your own rules you should be perma'd.

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      December 24, 2024 1:55 AM

      What a bum ass dude. This site is nothing without the community since it lacks content

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      February 16, 2025 12:49 PM

      Very sad that it came down to this and that the community has now been fragmented.

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      Got it! If you’d like, I can help summarize the new Shacknews Community Guidelines or provide insights on what’s changing. Let me know how I can assist!

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