Xbox One has standard 2.5" hard drive, can be replaced (by voiding warranty)
Although Sony encourages hard drive upgrades, Microsoft does not. However, if you're willing to void your Xbox One warranty, you'll be able to rather easily replace your Xbox One drive.
One of the more convenient aspects about PS4 is that you can very easily replace its hard drive. With 40GB+ installations becoming the norm this generation, it's clear that 500GB won't last long. Although Sony encourages hard drive upgrades, Microsoft does not. However, if you're willing to void your Xbox One warranty, you'll be able to rather easily replace your Xbox One drive.
A teardown by iFixit (via Engadget) reveals that Xbox One uses a standard 2.5" SATA II drive. Specifically, a Samsung Spinpoint M8 ST500LM012 500 GB 5400 RPM with 8MB Cache, which goes for $55 on Newegg.
Of course, the real question now is: what happens after you replace the drive? Will Xbox be able to boot without a properly formatted drive? While Sony lets users download the console's firmware update onto a USB stick, Microsoft does not for Xbox One--at least not yet.
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replyAndrew Yoon posted a new article, Xbox One has standard 2.5" hard drive, can be replaced (by voiding warranty).
Although Sony encourages hard drive upgrades, Microsoft does not. However, if you're willing to void your Xbox One warranty, you'll be able to rather easily replace your Xbox One drive.-
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how many xbox ones have failed so far?
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oh yeah. some ps4s have failed, which is normal. if an equivalent or smaller amount of xboxes fail, there will be GIFs and jokes across the internet. so they need to be certain the shit is stable. the failure rate probably drove some of their hardware decisions.
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I don't think I agree with your logic here. Yes, if they have another RRoD fiasco with high failure rates, they would deserve heat.
But that's not what will happen. Instead, we'll probably get reports of dead units that fall within the expected numbers and the Internet will go stupid-mode.-
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Microsoft encourages you to upgrade using USB 3.0 external Hard drives. Have you tried that?
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I just don't understand Microsofts logic by not allowing people to change out the harddrives
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You don't understand how a company doesn't want console buyers to take tools to the machine when you could just attach a USB 3.0 drive and it would be almost just as fast?
I'm actually pretty shocked that Sony left the upgradeable hard drive option with the existence of USB 3.0 and eSATA.-
What I'm getting at is that the majority of console buyers are not people who know how to change the system drive in anything. Adding additional, fast storage is pretty fucking easy these days.
So if you're the type of person that wants to get in there and tweak everything, you still can, you're just voiding the warranty. If you're not, there are still tons of very fast options for you.
This is such a non-issue.-
Yeah I can see this falling under a case of protecting people from themselves.
We already have people who bought the wrong 2.5" HDD for the PS4 because it is too thick. Imagine if they tried forcing it in thinking maybe just a bit of effort was needed? -
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if you think more people will really prefer cracking open their console to replace a HDD rather than plug in a small USB device I think you are really misjudging what 99% of people feel about technology
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but you present an unfair scenario to prove your point. microsoft doesnt give them much choice by making you dismantle the damn console to do it. its far less intimidating to do it on ps4 and just takes minutes. I can even see places like bestbuy offering to install them quickly for a small fee. i would much rather have everything packed into a neat box than have wires and other shit sitting hanging off the unit. and im not alone.
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I'm not presenting an unfair scenario, I'm telling you what the state of consumers and technology is. The PS3 had a replaceable HDD too, did you see Best Buy offering that service there? A 20-60gb PS3 got filled equally quickly from mandatory ~5gb installs as a PS4 will with 500gb and 50gb installs. Or did you instead see Sony making sure to offer progressively higher storage bundles where the highest profit margins exist? Nowhere did I say literally no one will do this. I'm saying the number who do is so insignificantly small it is no surprise it isn't supported. And if you think there are a non trivial number of people who will do this then you're misjudging the market here.
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Yeah, this is why I don't void the warranty of my products.
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this is standard procedure for tons of electronics, they don't want you messing with the internals if you want to keep your warranty
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You don't have to unscrew things and expose innards when you plug in USB storage. Also what are you going to do with the old drive you took out? Throw it away? That's bad for the environment.
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I imagine Sony decided it wasnt worth coding support for multiple storage devices since most people will be fine with 500gb. It's a hard engineering problem! Microsoft has a lot of history with operating systems and they haven't even put support in at launch. WP7 also had support for expanding storage via microSD and it was broken so bad I believe they suggested to not use it at all.
So I can see how Sony was like, screw it, let the nerds change hard drives if they really want to but let's not support external storage cause its not a high priority.
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...that's a gigantic plain axial fan in that case. Does Microsoft not trust heatpipes or squirrel-cage blowers?
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That's true of PCs and works very well. My case has 140mm fans and larger and I have them set using a panel at 20-30% speed which keeps it in the low 30 Celsius.
However I also use water cooling on my CPU and that eliminates even more noise. Sadly my 7970 is my loudest component and it kicks on and off. Perhaps I should opt for an after market cooler to completely silence my PC.
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That is a sick interesting question, however I do not doubt that there will be a new SKU in the future that has a 1 TB HDD or larger. So software wise it should be flexible enough to manage that in the future.
However finding out about the capability to use USB 3.0 external storage, almost like the 360, makes it easier and also being able to take that to other consoles and not have to re-download games.
I used to want the biggest HDD for the 360 because I was buying and downloading HD episodes of BSG and Lost. Those were about 2 GB an episode then. Plenty of DLC was huge too.
I am now curious if it's possible to split a 2 TB partition of an external HDD so you can switch them between a XB1 and a Wii-U since they both share that capability. Would make it simple to swap one instead of having two separate drives in my entertainment center. -
they'd previously mentioned additional external storage will be supported (post launch) so it would presumably need to be reasonably flexible. I don't know why it would just assume you have some particular sized drive.
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Just use an external USB 3.0 drive.
They did have the firmware out last night but the page got pulled.
http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/How_to_Update_Your_Xbox_One -
So upgrading the hard drive voids your warranty... does Microsoft own a lot of stock in Sony or something?
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They want users to have faith in The Cloud. And that faith will evaporate away the first few times XBox One users can't play games because of some problem with XBox Live cloud storage.
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except people have been happily using cloud saves on Xbox Live, PS+ and Steam for quite awhile now and there's no reason a local copy can't be cached for offline scenarios
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Resilience is key. Previously, GFWL had the excuse of DRMing saves so the online profile ones were only available on successful authentication; that's gone now that GFWL is end-of-lifed. Also, there's the issue where game content gets pulled from online services due to IP ownership legal ambiguity (specifically, when publishers like Midway and THQ went out of business). If you can't redownload that content due to legal reasons, does it get automatically deleted from your XBox One drive?
I think back to the mystery developer who contacted Brad Shoemaker during the SimCity outage, and said that always-on services were being given a bad reputation by horrible incidents like the SimCity outage. I also think of the 2011 PSN outage, and the mid-2000's Steam outage when Seattle lost power, but those last two have most likely been remediated to not happen at that scale and duration.-
You can re-download stuff that is no longer for sale on the xbox marketplace. It's all listed in your download history. For example, the character packs for Marvel ultimate alliance are no longer for sale but I can still download them. The same for TMNT: Turtles in Time and a few other XBLA games that I bought but are no longer for sale.
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Okay, I think I got that mixed up with iTunes, which pulls everything down for albums that don't have a publisher able to receive royalties. You can't buy it, you can't see the catalog page for it, and you can't download it (except maybe now you can if it's in your iCloud set).
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Don't know what GFWL has to do with this. Don't know what IP ownership has to do with this, we already know how downloads work on the 360 for content you own that is no longer on the marketplace, isn't related to saves.
Cloud saves, they work, been working on many platforms for years now, people like them.
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I bet about 1% of people want to upgrade their hard drive.
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yeah I was going to ask if he honestly thinks it's a higher percentage than that because I'd be shocked. Even as a technically inclined person I can't imagine I would ever bother.
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I know for a fact I wouldnt.
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I don't care. I would like to upgrade the hard drive, and that's all that matters to me.
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you're welcome to want whatever features you happen to want, your original comment was suggesting that this is a feature that many people want
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I dont get it
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Er, I dont get the need to change the drive, but I'm a physical media purveyor
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Yup. In the total number of consoles that will sell of this generation, the number of people that will ever even know their console has a "hard drive" in it are a tiny drop in the bucket. Let alone wanting to replace that with something else.
Most people will ask "how much memory does it have?" and the answer is "Enough for 10 or more games very large to be installed at any time. In practice probably more like 20+" at which point their eyes will glaze over and they'll just get out their credit card anyway. -
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just not for launch, but 99% of people shouldn't really be anywhere near filling a 500gb drive for awhile
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wanting more storage space and wanting to upgrade the internal hard drive are separate things
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I think you overestimate the number of people that
A. Would know that you CAN upgrade the size of the hard drive.
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B. Would want to upgrade the hard drive.
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Why even bother offering that? "Okay, you can upgrade to any hard drive, but you're not actually allowed to do it."
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Does it not void the warrenty on a store bought computer if you open the case and install something yourself?
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Irrelevant comparison. The competition is the PS4, which does NOT void your warranty for swapping out the hard drive.
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It is relevant because a computer offers the same thing. You ask "why even offer that" I give you an example of this very thing being very common place.
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The PS4 is the exception to most modern electronics. Typically any kind of modification of internals voids the warranty.
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that's not really fair - while probably 95% of xbox one owners won't upgrade, it's a legitimate complaint for those who want to. and voiding the warranty is somehow more insulting than just blocking it entirely. it's like they're saying, "sure, you can upgrade the hard drive, if you're a GODDAMN ASSHOLE. say goodbye to your warranty, ASS-HOLE."
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Well, I can say after 1 week of the PS4 I've already used nearly half of my 500GB. If games are going to require installs on the One, the ability to upgrade the hard drive is an important feature.
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I'm an idiot.. I didn't realize that external drives were an option. Somehow I missed that up in the thread. That's pretty cool!
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The article doesn't even mention that being a possibility down the line and how the Wii-U also having this option. Just that you're stuck with voiding a warranty or sticking to the default.
The 360 added support for flash memory storage too later in its life and they recommended for GTA V to be installed that way.
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This? 3 years down the road you're still gonna have launch titles installed? Hell for me, it would be 3 months down the road, maybe even 3 weeks, that shits outta there.
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external storage is the answer for 99% of customers who need more storage space
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USB2 - Yes; USB3 - you need an SSD to saturate USB3's 300MB/s pipe, fastest mechanicals do about 175MB/s
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Next Fry's sale I'm picking up a WD 2TB USB 3.0 drive, problem solved.
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^^^ exactly, I have http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B0041OSQBG/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 it is like $99 on the .com site, have it for the Wii U and is solid and got one for my Xbox One.
It totally is the way to go, don't bother with internal in this case what so ever, no point, USB 3 is super fast.
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yep, most people here don't realize things like how foreign, confusing, and undesirable navigating a file system is to the vast majority of people. Doesn't mean the option to do that needs to be gone but it also shouldn't be the front and center method of interaction. There's a reason phones and tablets have become so popular, they remove the 'computery' parts of computers and make them understandable, which means getting rid of stuff like file management. I think we all know what most people do with their computer when handled the task of file management (10,000 random files on their desktop or downloads folder and no idea where they saved their documents to once it's not in the 'most recently used' list).
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Ive seen this happen on a few nerds in my comp sci classes though, I dont think its just noobs. It's just hard to organize when you have exams every week
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I used to care about file management, but I've become lazy with it and tend to save to desktop, then once every... quarter I'll make a folder and toss it all in there. Plus, most things download to the general downloads folder for Chrome, which I tend to have little interaction with these days. I used to set all downloads to manual so I could place them, but that was back in the day when bandwidth and file size was an issue and I didn't want to re-download anything.
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I bet it is 100% firmware key locked like every other xbox ever.
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Ok. That's a non-issue at this point.
Given MS's blatantly opportunistic practices with HDDs last gen, I certainly understand all the kneejerking.
But you can expand storage via eternal HDDs. As long as they're not restricting you to "Xbox brand", or idiotic memory allocation, it's (finally) a step in the right direction.
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