Evening Reading
I know the masses of Xbox Live are all up in Call of Duty's business right now, but I hope a lot of people come back to Halo in a bit.
Anyone pick up Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood or Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit?
Gaming News o'the Day
- Deus Ex: Human Revolution trailer shows gameplay.
- OnLive micro-console releasing in December and unlimited plan coming.
- Borderlands GOTY Edition coming to the Mac in December.
- The Witcher 2 will also be released on GOG.com.
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lol that was pretty good
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Whoa, nice. If they could implement the isometric view all the time, I'd be all over Dwarf Fortress. I'm a bit of a graphics bitch, I think.
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Agent Poophead, if you are totally new to RTSes and just show up on the ladder one day, or if you really wanna advance through ladders, then you will have a very punishing experience that requires you to really stick with getting your poop pushed for a while till you have a grim castle full of fun!
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While I can't argue against that, I think DF is on another level entirely. Hell it's on another planet.
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Yep. Starcraft itself isn't terribly hard; beating specific people in direct competition is hard.
Dwarf Fortress is just hard. It's not arbitrary or capricious in it's difficulty. It's not even so much that the game is trying to beat you. There are just a lot of things you have to do and prepare for, and if you don't, well, you lose.-
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I suppose you could say that in SC2 because of the laddering system, you can always meet people who you can beat easily, as well as people who will rapeify you. But if you wanna actually progress and are looking for harder people - which anyone who plays SC2MP for serious does - then it's pain.
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I think StarCraft is pretty complicated. I don't know. Dwarf Fortress seems to be way more in depth than StarCraft but it does give me the same "Oh man this is impossible without a plan" sort of feeling. I only play co-op vs computers in StarCraft, plus the SP campaign and I have a TERRIBLE time doing things at the right time and all that.
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I would say that the difference in difficulty is the two is that DF is harder in breadth and SC is more difficult in depth. DF has a million knobs that you have to learn, SC only has 15 but they're deep knobs, which is where my simile falls apart.
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lol i like this image
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I'd play this game in an instant if I could tell what was going on. I don't mind it being hard, but the interface shouldn't be that hard! I've downloaded the game and tried to go through with the newb guide 4 times now, and somehow I never quite get to where I really started the game.
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having Ratalon sit and walk me through it last night made it so very much easier for me to understand. I have been watching him play it for months and I just didn't get it. Now that he explained it and he gave me the wiki as a backup, I am doing pretty well. I am only a couple of hours into gameplay at this point though.
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Using this as the Dwarf Fortress post for the evening.
Write up of the First Year: The reign of Gylis the Glorious
http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Succession_2010/Year_1
Write up of the Second Year: The Reign of JohhnnyRey the Mad
http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Succession_2010_Year_2
Write up of the Third Year: The Reign of Zhaneel (the woman behind the man)
http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Succession_2010/Year_3
Write up of 4 month dirge23 (With Scary Forgotten Beasts!)
http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Succession_2010/Year_4
Rest of year 4 with FUN by TroZ
http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Succession_2010/Year_4_Continued
Next up: Aethyr
Also, if you want to play reply to this thread! The signups for the succession game will be open until the fort crumbles or everyone gets bored!
The list of upcoming rulers and a bunch of useful links for newbies (INCLUDING TUTORIALS) collected in reply:-
LIST OF THE UPCOMING RULERS
Current: Aethyr
1. Goncyn
2. Arceihn
3. Sexpansion Pack
4. Majuju
5. conandan
6. Caboose [per request]
Download: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
Lazy Newbie Download with Art & Helpers & Game: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.0
Wiki: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
Tutorial Guide: http://afteractionreporter.com/dwarf-fortress-tutorials/
Tutorial Vidoes by CapnDuck: http://www.youtube.com/user/captnduck#g/c/5A3D7682BDD48FC2
What is Dwarf Fortress?
Dwarf Fortress is an ASCII game which includes both a roguelike adventure mode, and the more popular Dwarf Fortress Mode, which focuses on the creation and survival of a small dwarven settlement. (from the wiki)
What is Succession play?
Every person takes a year long 'turn' ruling a fortress before passing to the next ruler (Via save game).
For this Succession, you'll need to use the Lazy Newb Pack to get the Ironhand tile set. One of the most famous (and funny) recorded ones was http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Boatmurdered/
What if I hate ASCII art?
There are several user created texture packs available.
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Tilesets
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/List_of_user_character_sets
My favorite is Mike Mayday's (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/List_of_user_graphics_sets#Mike_Mayday.27s_combined_pack_.28DFG.29) but the link to download seems to be not working)
Didn't we do a Dwarf Fortress challenge before?
TroZ hosted a weekly challenge. http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Weekly_Challenge
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I think you have to release the animal in a room and then kill it with soldiers, which can be dangerous
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From the wiki:
1) Build the cage with b-j. You can't hook up levers to unbuilt cages so this step is necessary.
2) Build a lever. It can be built anywhere. I usually put it just outside the Death Chamber, so the puller doesn't have to be physically in the room, and still be close to the cages,
3) Connect the lever to each cage with a-j.
4) Move your troops to the room and lock them in.
5) Pull the lever.
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I haven't tried but I don't think bridges provide structural support so you can't build stuff on them
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do you want the trap again? A few ways I handle it:
1.) Dwarf Atom Smasher: Make a draw bridge that raises up and down. Raise draw bridge, put animal under drawbridge. Smash.
2.) Death Chamber: Make a room with a long hallway and fill it with traps. Place cage in room and attach lever and mechanisms to it. Pull lever which you placed OUTSIDE the room and watch as whatever is in the cage runs down the hallway and gets dismembered. -
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I believe the dwarfs will collect the bones from a refuse pile, but I usually setup a bone pile eventually.
Similarly, I will also setup a fresh hide pile if I'm going to be doing a lot of butchering, in it's own room with doors do that if one does rot, the miasma doesn't spread far.
bone piles can be out in the open as they don't rot.
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for people playing the succession game, why aren't dwarves taking wood from here?
http://www.shackpics.com/files/woody_v8hwq8eeuervnrz0u5zx.png
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er, better picture http://www.shackpics.com/files/woody_se77lehtq41evie7jheo.png
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is there closer wood?
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I guess some other things to check: is that dwarf forbidden from leaving the fortress through burrows or whathaveyou?
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hm, apparently this bridge is open??
http://www.shackpics.com/files/woody_rvushn250td61tg0nhzh.png
I have no idea what lever controls that :(-
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See if you actually have wood, go into [z] -> stocks -> logs, does it say you have some?
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I think its the lever in z=9 at the right of the dining room
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sorry z=8
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no that bridge looks down
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(it always says "open space" over a bridge, open or closed)
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indo, you are more knowledgable than I and TroZ linked the save file.
http://www.mediafire.com/?knh3hm91vf6ll5d
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yeah I'm trying from where TroZ left off and dwarves are leaving/entering fine -- so something you did aethyr in the meantime has prevented them from leaving, not sure what
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looks like it was burrows. I removed the restriction on civ's to stay in Burrow 1 during inactive
[m] - [a] - [Right] - [Right] - [Enter] (to remove the A on Burrow 1)-
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true -- might be better to just extend Burrow 1 to include the front yard, and turn the restriction back on
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just like the quality of items (-, +, *, etc) clothes get marked with x, X, XX as they wear out. I think at X and XX they start the generate negative thoughts, which can be seen this the z:status - view thoughts and preferences screen. Enough negative thoughts and you can get a dwarf throwing a fit. With the deaths that already occurred and the ones that I was sure to come under my rule, I want the get a jump on the problem. The clothes were only at x (first level) so it wan't an issue yet.
I actually didn't get to making any clothes. But I set up a loom, a clothes shop, and a dyer's shop together in one room with a cloth stockpile. I believe finished clothes are 'finished goods' and that dwarfs that need clothes will just take them when needed, at least before the economy starts up. Once economy kicks in, you need to set up a few shops, and one should be designates the clothes shop.
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whats this dwarf fortress shit? looks complicated
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A dash of Minecraft + Dungeon Keeper + Civ + Sim City + The Sims + NetHack
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http://shackwiki.com/wiki/Dwarf_Fortress_Succession_2010
Starter pack and 2 good tutorials there
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EvE vs. Dwarf Fortress, which is harder?
http://ideadrought.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/eve-learning-curve.jpg
