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From The Chatty
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    November 10, 2008 6:02 PM

    So they just updated L4D. Expert is now fucking impossible. You've been warned...

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      November 10, 2008 6:04 PM

      lol noob. let me show you how a real pro zombie killer deals with zombies.

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        November 10, 2008 6:09 PM

        No they made it WAY harder.

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          November 10, 2008 6:13 PM

          that's what she said

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          November 10, 2008 9:54 PM

          lol noob. your zombie killing skills are obviously way inferior to mine. don't you see that i am a real pro zombie killer?

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      November 10, 2008 6:11 PM

      "fixed demo exploits" Does this mean you can't play as the zombies or do splitscreen anymore?

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        November 10, 2008 6:13 PM

        Yeah. :( You can still spawn them if you have cheats on, though!

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        November 10, 2008 6:20 PM

        Oh boo, that's a bit sad. Trial versus mode was fun.

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        November 10, 2008 9:49 PM

        no splitscreen? they better not have :(

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      November 10, 2008 6:14 PM

      Funny, 4 of us just had the smoothest run through's on expert yet. That said it was pretty intense. But I wouldn't say it was quite maximum overdrive extreme.

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        November 10, 2008 6:23 PM

        Me, d0gbert, dmason, and kainen can barely make it past the first area :(

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        November 10, 2008 6:24 PM

        are you sure the server had been updated? Mine did not give me notice there was a new version (like TF2 does), and I think people can still play on a lower version (at least thats what it looked like).

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          November 10, 2008 6:28 PM

          Yup, had to wait for mine and other people's clients to update. A couple more unexpected hordes and the boss zombie's were getting involved during hording more but despite that we made it two clean runs back to back.


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        November 11, 2008 12:19 AM

        Damned straight we did Mr Fink!

        It must have been the scotsman.

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      November 10, 2008 6:19 PM

      Not with me, I'll lead you through it.

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      November 10, 2008 6:19 PM

      HOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOO

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      November 10, 2008 6:23 PM

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      November 10, 2008 6:29 PM

      It was impossible before. :(

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      November 10, 2008 6:34 PM

      so wait. why cant i install the demo? i click the "install" icon thing on the menu and nothing happens. god I suck at steam so badly.

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      November 10, 2008 6:43 PM

      wow i thought it was hard enough before. i hope they make the difficutlies a bit more granular. advanced is a bit too easy, but expert (even before) seemed almost impossible

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      November 10, 2008 7:04 PM

      Damnit, when does "tomorrow" officially begin? I have a holiday from work and am ready to use it!

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      November 10, 2008 7:25 PM

      well, i was in a pretty good group and we couldn't make it through the second act

      two tanks in 4 tries, wtf

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        November 10, 2008 8:57 PM

        yea man its pretty fucking hard now :(

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        November 10, 2008 8:59 PM

        they've only got 4000 health man, what was your problem in taking them down?

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      November 10, 2008 9:20 PM

      Well, good game guys, Advanced is now harder than the old Expert. Closest we got to winning, my entire team was killed by a tank in the last room and I was only a few feet from the safe room.

      There was a smoker in the safe room that snagged me as I was running towards it. Thanks.

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        November 10, 2008 9:25 PM

        I don't see anything in the release notes that say they increased the difficulty.

        Are you sure its just not the random encounters that screwed you over ?
        Tanks were huge SOB's before even on advanced

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          November 10, 2008 9:47 PM

          I didn't see anything about it in the release notes either, but unless I'm imagining things it sure as hell seems like they upped the difficulty. A few things that stick out are that friendly fire knockdowns are about as easy to do as it was in expert (very easy), there are more big encounters with zombie hordes, and it'll throw even more zombies at once at you. Getting tongue tied, puked on, and jumped by a hunter all at the same time was something that only seemed to happen on expert, but now it was much more frequent.

          That and it used to be where I could clear advanced in my sleep and on expert I could clear it every now and then if the whole team minded their friendly fire. This time, oof, we tried for about 45 minutes and we got close to finishing only once. Mind you, the first section was relatively easy, the second one was very difficult.

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            November 10, 2008 9:48 PM

            All that said, I'm finding it way more fun now. Advanced was just way too easy before and now it actually feels like the zombie apocalypse!

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          November 10, 2008 9:48 PM

          it is obviously significantly harder. just try it lol

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        November 10, 2008 9:26 PM

        i had a ctd and couldnt join the game :(

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        November 10, 2008 9:32 PM

        I hope this is true. people were winning expert relatively easy if you knew what you were doing, there needs to be more difficulty available for those who want it.

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          November 10, 2008 9:47 PM

          it's a bit harder because the zombies come more randomly and from all directions. im definitely noticing it....but honestly, nothing too awful. It's more fun though, just from the spontaneity and OH SHIT factor

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        November 10, 2008 9:45 PM

        I am going to go play this NOW and WIN if anyone wants IN.

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          November 10, 2008 9:45 PM

          not on expert youre not :(

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          November 10, 2008 9:45 PM

          THIEF

          LETS DO IT

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          November 10, 2008 9:49 PM

          can i come :(

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          November 10, 2008 9:50 PM

          thief you are not even online!

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          November 10, 2008 9:50 PM

          I'd like to play - I've an hour to kill - which servers?

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          November 10, 2008 9:55 PM

          I am restarting from OSX now!

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            November 10, 2008 10:04 PM

            Can you tell me how I can join :/

            I just downloaded the demo :P

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              November 10, 2008 10:06 PM

              in the console type openserverbrowser and go from there

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          November 10, 2008 10:00 PM

          Lakren is coordinating the effort, I am following him TO the server so that I can lead him to victory IN the server!

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            November 10, 2008 11:03 PM

            That was still really damn easy.

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              November 10, 2008 11:03 PM

              they definitely made it harder though!

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                November 10, 2008 11:04 PM

                Bah, maybe for you, my shackmunity, leader. Be an elitist! admit how easy it was.

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                  November 10, 2008 11:07 PM

                  I admit it was easy. I, however, am tired and kept shooting my own guys.

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              November 10, 2008 11:03 PM

              ^^^^^ gnomish, dhavatar, lakren, and I are just too damn good., I guess. spaceless and jbury we'll have to go through some other time. With me leading the way you are bound to either die in a wondrously cinematic way and/or win. wait. you always win with me.

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              November 10, 2008 11:09 PM

              Only 1 of the shack servers seemed to be up for me and it was empty - maybe I'll catch you guys playing another time :)

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              November 10, 2008 11:10 PM

              Invisible Lakren made things more difficult:
              http://www.shackpics.com/files/l4d_dem_hospital02_subway0003_pn56etyx4qn1h2ddwugp.jpg
              http://www.shackpics.com/files/l4d_dem_hospital02_subway0002_iv7cz1hhlajyhmfvmofs.jpg

              Weird server lag, though I was laughing at the floating gun/med pack shooting zombies. Wasn't so funny when I couldn't figure out if I might accidentally hit him or not.

              Expert is definitely a bit harder. Boss zombies spawn more often, but it still wasn't too bad.

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                November 10, 2008 11:12 PM

                where's the screencap of me shooting the tank as I rescue gnomish?! only to have the tank pulverize me and make me rubble and for gnomish to spring to hie feet all lively and take credit for killing him ?!

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                  November 10, 2008 11:14 PM

                  I was running on the opposite side, so I never saw it. :(

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                    November 10, 2008 11:19 PM

                    RUNNING AWAY?!!

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                      November 10, 2008 11:28 PM

                      I believe at that time, I got the tank off gnomish and targeting me so you could rescue him. My priorities were to run and shoot while I boldly sacrificed my life so you could do your daring rescue.

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        November 10, 2008 10:59 PM

        Ok, and in single player it feels about the same as before...

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      November 10, 2008 9:50 PM

      Fuck, they patched out split screen. :(

      I was going to try this out with my friend. :(

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        November 10, 2008 11:07 PM

        Damn, I was thinking it was possible.

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      November 10, 2008 9:53 PM

      I just beat it on expert with Mr. Rogers. It took us awhile but it was very, very fun. Right at the end I took some friendly fire about 3 feet from the safe room door during a horde invasion and was telling them to leave me behind but they came back for me.

      /tear

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        November 10, 2008 10:07 PM

        lol. no jack left behind! especially the nasty ones!

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      November 10, 2008 9:56 PM

      I beat it on expert coop-pub on my first game...

      it was hard, but not "impossible" good times! :D

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      November 10, 2008 10:04 PM

      Expert does not seem any different to me... =/

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        November 10, 2008 10:07 PM

        i think specifically there was an increase in specialized zombies and a greater chance of a swarm spawning randomly

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        November 10, 2008 10:08 PM

        I think all it is is that sometimes the AI director gives you a really, really hard game and sometimes it takes it relatively easy on you.

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          November 10, 2008 11:00 PM

          Yeah, this is my take. Plus if you "take too long" -- then you get swarmed. Also, you get more boss zombies coming at you if you take longer.

          But, I've seen the tank pretty much every part of the subway map (even where the escalators are) and same with the witch.

          In fact the damn witch was in the MIDDLE of the last subway train leading to the final rooms. Like, what? Yeah...let's sneak past that one. It was actually frapsed. I'm the one saying -- "Wonder where she's going to be this time? That'd be funny if she was in the middle of the train..."

          http://www.cadaversguild.com/movies/L4D1.html

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            November 10, 2008 11:01 PM

            Oh, the end of that video is pretty funny. This is what we normally do to each other to "win."

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            November 11, 2008 5:19 AM

            I hate it when the witch is sitting right where you normally stand to use the minigun. That's just damn cruel.

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        November 10, 2008 10:29 PM

        If anything, it feels like they jacked up the difficulty on advanced more than they did jacking up the difficulty on expert.

        Its a good thing; advanced was just way too easy before.

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      November 10, 2008 10:14 PM

      Just got through it with 2 randoms on a pub. We killed a tank (2 died, and two of us had 1 hp) and I firebombed a witch on the train and fucking booted it and my teammates mowed her down. Pretty intense.

      I notice the level has had some minor changes, such as the basement of the house.

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      November 10, 2008 10:20 PM

      when does the demo hit xbl?

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      November 10, 2008 10:23 PM

      there needs to be an Impossible mode

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        November 10, 2008 10:25 PM

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          November 10, 2008 10:34 PM

          there needs to be a chainsaw somewhere

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          November 10, 2008 11:00 PM

          I've not killed a single witch yet - they slaughter me in a single hit :(

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            November 10, 2008 11:08 PM

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              November 10, 2008 11:13 PM

              Another idea is to get someone to snipe it from afar, which will make the witch beeline toward him. Then with an auto-shotty, you run up behind her and unload everything into her head before she reached the shooter. Works pretty well if you have the auto-shotty since the witch ignores you if you're not blocking her way.

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        November 10, 2008 11:40 PM

        Give the pistol a limited supply of ammo and that ought to do it.

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      November 11, 2008 12:10 AM

      While I doubt this simply because I beat Expert several times with Shackers just now, I DID have one scenario where it seemed like the AI director would not let us win.

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        November 11, 2008 12:11 AM

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        November 11, 2008 12:15 AM

        maybe you pissed the AI director off

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          November 11, 2008 12:23 AM

          Hmm. I DID seem like one of us had killed the AI director's father and raped it's mother... one of you 3 man up 'cuz it totally wasn't me.

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        November 11, 2008 12:29 AM

        The AI director isn't consistent enough. Sometimes there will be a tank and a witch in the worst spots, other times no tank, and a witch off in the corner.

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          November 11, 2008 12:38 AM

          Surely it's better to not be consistent? Otherwise you know what to expect

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            November 11, 2008 12:48 AM

            You have a point, and perhaps another problem is that we only have 2 maps to play so the inconsistencies become more apparent. However, I would rather get used to it always being extremely hard rather than sometimes overly easy followed by an impossible tank+boomer+zombie rush zerg.

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              November 11, 2008 5:17 AM

              Aye it's just personal preference I guess, I quite like walking into a room shitting myself only to find it empty.... or walking into a room expecting it to be empty then having an awesome firefight :)

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      November 11, 2008 12:23 AM

      Patch notes don't mention a tweak in difficulties. The game feels the same really.

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