Morning Discussion

I greet the working proletariat in the toils of their day. We've got part 2 of our interview with Brad Wardell of Stardock up, focusing Demigods, Impulse and a yet unnamed game that I myself gaze longingly at, a possible successor to Master of Magic. And those rumors of Deus Ex 3 seem to be catalyzing into something more, at least magazine PC Zone seems to think so. And the Shack gets you attractive wall propaganda!

From The Chatty
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    September 9, 2008 5:59 AM

    WAR thread goes here. My shammy rocks your faceeeeee

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      September 9, 2008 6:02 AM

      I'm not sure I'm really having fun with it. The human chaos side is fugly too. I mean, I get why its just bleh. I think I'm going to go Order

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        September 9, 2008 6:25 AM

        I think there's a lot of interest in an order guild. I know if there was one setup I'd join it.

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        September 9, 2008 6:51 AM

        Why do you have to be pretty in a video game? Honest question

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          September 9, 2008 7:01 AM

          It doesn't have to be pretty, but it should be interesting. Lots of washed out muddy colors just isn't very interesting unless it has something to break it up and part of me gets bored. I'm trying the Greenskin start, and their attitude towards color is a lot more interesting.

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            September 9, 2008 7:48 AM

            Ok, cool, I can appreciate that.

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            September 9, 2008 3:07 PM

            You obviously are not evil enough to appreciate Chaos.

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      September 9, 2008 6:03 AM

      I must say I'm really enjoying the Squig Herder. Public instances own me. I just keep doing them over and over again.

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        September 9, 2008 6:20 AM

        That said I thought about rolling a different class and seeing what else I might like before the release. Not sure what to try. Tried a Witch hunter, and a Magus briefly. Witchhunter felt funny, like a ranged rogue. Could be good later on though. The Magus was interesting but the hoverboard (magic carpet) was just strange. And I wasn't sure how the stationary Daemon's would work other than in the case of RvR instances or some of the PVP stuff.

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          September 9, 2008 6:24 AM

          im so utterly tired of the starting areas for all the races. ive played them so many times over because of stupid wipes.. :(

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            September 9, 2008 6:32 AM

            haha yeah. I'm definitely going to steer clear of the empire/chaos front at launch unless the other zones are void of any PvP. So sick of that T1/T2 area.

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            September 9, 2008 6:34 AM

            Yeah I can certainly see that happening.

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            September 9, 2008 11:49 AM

            I'm immune to it because NOTHING can be worse than Age of Conan. 1 starting area for ALL classes.

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        September 9, 2008 6:30 AM

        How are the Squigs since yesterdays patch? GF tried one and it was crazy how much the squig would poof then appear and get stuck, and then she would shoot at a mob but be looking away, etc.

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          September 9, 2008 6:34 AM

          They seem to be fixed. I haven't had a problem so far that I could tell. They seem to be right on it now.

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        September 9, 2008 7:06 AM

        Waiting for unique mobs to pop wit hthe SH is a pleasure. You get people standing around, refusing to group, waiting for a certain character to spawn so they can get first hit on them and credit for the kill. Set squid to agressive, and it is attacking the mob before lag has even allowed it to show up on your screen.

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          September 9, 2008 2:55 PM

          Maybe with time etiquette will improve (yeah lol), since the game's all about "grouping w/o grouping". Stupid people :/

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      September 9, 2008 6:03 AM

      Are shamans really that popular in-game?

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        September 9, 2008 6:05 AM

        they seem to be one of the most popular classes, yeah. No class is really "zerged" though. Based on the stats I saw from the last preview weekend all the classes were within a few percentage points of each other. I imagine that it will flatten out even further once the game goes live... the support classes don't tend to be that popular among the general populace.

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        September 9, 2008 6:07 AM

        It seems like it, was playing dwarf today a bit in that place with the bridge between order and chaos, shaman everwhere we were outnumbered big time. Which is too bad because I was going to play a Shaman at release probably. Also, sucks there aren't female Greenskins, pissed my GF off.

        As someone said up above whats with the ugly order side? Empire and the elves just look terrible. Also, was just trying out a bright wizard, it was pretty fun but Empire is screwed for the first scenario. If people didn't come from different sides Chaos would wipe the floor since they have healer/nuker/tank/DD.

        Other then Shaman having problems deciding what to play and which side to play.

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          September 9, 2008 6:11 AM

          nah fuck that, play what you want. I was the same way with WoW... rolled a Paladin when I really would have preferred a rogue. Ended up ditching the pally and rolling rogue almost as soon as I hit 60 and had so much more fun with the game after that.

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      September 9, 2008 6:07 AM

      i'm liking the Magus. he flies on a magic carpet! too bad your summons can't move though.

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        September 9, 2008 6:10 AM

        I tried playing one, but the hoverboard got to me for some reason. And I just didn't dig it that much. =P

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        September 9, 2008 12:23 PM

        My cousin tried the magic, and I just could see on my shaman that he wasn't doing very good. Damage and life span wise. Just seemed like a very underpowered not much utility class.

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      September 9, 2008 6:10 AM

      I've been dominating people with my dark elf sorcerer. People just dont know what to do with my spamfest of damaging range spells.

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        September 9, 2008 6:20 AM

        Yeah. And the aoe spells make public quests so easy.

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          September 9, 2008 6:28 AM

          I've pretty much always been the #1 contributor on PQs, its pretty nice.

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            September 9, 2008 6:30 AM

            i stopped playing my bright wizard for the time being and i made a 9 iron breaker yesterday
            i swear to christ they make black orks strong mother fuckers that take multiple people to bring down

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              September 9, 2008 8:59 AM

              Same goes for the iron breaker and all tank archtypes for that matter.

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        September 9, 2008 6:30 AM

        I tried a Bright Wizard and it was a lot of fun, but I think I might try a Socerer instead as the BW is just a huge target and I notice lots of sorcs get ignored in PVP a lot.

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          September 9, 2008 3:08 PM

          Well, who would you rather attack, a silly Dark Elf shooting little bits of black magic, or THE FREAKING GUY WHO SETS PEOPLE ON FIRE AND CAN SHOOT FIRE FROM HIS MOUTH?

          I <3 Bright Wizards.

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      September 9, 2008 6:20 AM

      i find it pretty recockulous that if you are under geared you need another person to help out dps the heals from a healer. you sit there battling all day until one of yours or their friends comes

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        September 9, 2008 6:22 AM

        yep. heals are OP at low levels.

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        September 9, 2008 7:05 AM

        that sorts itself out in the later levels (around 20) when a lot of classes start getting pretty nasty anti-caster abilities like silence and interrupts.

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      September 9, 2008 6:23 AM

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      September 9, 2008 6:33 AM

      There any sites out there that explains a lot of stuff about the game, like a FAQ for newbies without having to wade through tons of bs?

      So much to learn in this game and some of it is hard to figure out.

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      September 9, 2008 6:35 AM

      i haven't played an MMO since FFXI and this game is surprisingly awesome. i'm a little worried i like it TOO much :(

      question - if I started as a Chaos guy, how do I get to the dark elf island?

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        September 9, 2008 6:38 AM

        follow the road to the warcamp or die in a orange rvr lake. youll be teleported to the nearest one. theres a flight master there

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      September 9, 2008 6:36 AM

      I was on vacation- are we all playing together somewhere? What's the guild website again?

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      September 9, 2008 6:36 AM

      I'm trying to give it a chance, really. There just seems to be nothing different from WoW. Granted I'm only level 5 and I'm just getting new talents and stuff, but it really just feels like WoW with less pretty graphics. I haven't been to a city yet and I'm hoping that if I make it that far it might add to the scale of the game since right now it just feels like I'm stuck in this tiny area with not much to do.

      I'm playing as a Witch Elf and I think I should have chosen Sorceress or something, I've pretty much always played a melee character in any of the RPGs I've played and I think it's starting to wear thin on me.

      Maybe I'll switch it up tonight... I really doubt I'll play this out of beta though.

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        September 9, 2008 6:40 AM

        It took me a couple different classes before I even enjoyed the game a little - and then I liked it a lot. You've probably already hit some Public Instances/Quests right? Those hit my "Something different from WoW" spot.

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          September 9, 2008 6:49 AM

          I did some RvR quest that I totally didn't understand how it was working and didn't really find fun at all. I was playing against people that were like 7 levels higher than me, had no clear objective, and it just felt like a battleground in WoW that I earned XP in.

          Clearly I'm missing the hook, I've never played a Warhammer game, and I've done pretty much zero reading about the game, just happened to remember that I had a fileplanet subscription through Comcast and that would get me in the beta.

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            September 9, 2008 6:52 AM

            scenarios, what you queue up for are like battlegrounds in WoW. RvR in the orange areas on your map is different. you have to sit on the control points until youve fought all the other side off and you gaurd it for a while. RvR sucks when you are lower level because you get stomped, hard. they try to even things out with the bolster buff but since people, 7 levels ahead of you have the better gear and skills they will still own you

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        September 9, 2008 7:45 AM

        MAKE IT TO RVR. Seriously no MMO starts to get good before level 5.

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      September 9, 2008 6:39 AM

      my shamwow rocks my face!

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      September 9, 2008 6:41 AM

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        September 9, 2008 6:45 AM

        My shammy brings all the girls to the yard, that's right it's better than yours.

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      September 9, 2008 7:01 AM

      this game has me SOLD!

      i knew that Mythic puts out quality and i played DAoC for almost 2 years. playing WAR last night was some of the most excitement i have had in a long time for an MMO. dont look at DAoC2.0 as a bad thing, it's like they took that game, fed it pork fat, pumped in steroids, and gave it the largest cock your mother every sucked.

      some of the things i already like after playing only 4 hours.

      * i think the achievement stuff is mimicked after XBL/LotRO, and i like that
      * i love the RvR and getting XP and RP for doing PvP again - it's like they want to reward you for killing people! huge plus for me!
      * the public quest shit is awesome and how it deals with loot
      * the depth on how you can customize your char is excellent IE: skills, masterys, tomes, relics...
      * the map showing you at least the general AREA where stuff is for your quests. i hated getting lost all the time looking for some mob.
      * the tome is something straight out of LotRO, but who cares because that thing was awesome

      all in all, i think i am in love and hope there will be a strong Shack presence in the coming RvR wars. because i can promise you this, the fondest memories i have of DAoC was waging war and watching 200+ players duke it out on the field. it is quite the rush!

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      September 9, 2008 7:06 AM

      where are all you shamans when my black orc is getting kicking in the head by fifty dwarf engineers?

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        September 9, 2008 7:11 AM

        owning some pansy faced witch hunter. eat my green laser beam!

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      September 9, 2008 7:25 AM

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        September 9, 2008 7:31 AM

        Me too.

        Runepriest is surprisingly a lot of fun. I only played one to lvl 7 but he seems kind of similar to the shaman. Also Warrior Priest is really great.

        I have not tried any Elf class although the Archmage, Shadowwarrior, DoK and Sorcerer seem interesting, but Elfs just look sooo gay.

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          September 9, 2008 7:31 AM

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            September 9, 2008 8:44 AM

            can you explain a bit how to play that class effectively in rvr? I have a level 8 WH and still unsure of how to play that class well. Is it basically like a rogue?

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          September 9, 2008 7:39 AM

          archmage is the mirror of a shaman, runepriest is the mirror of a zealot

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        September 9, 2008 8:20 AM

        I liked the Witch Elf better than the witch hunter. But WP is much better than DoK.

        I'm probably going Order because Destro is so over-populated. 'Just doin' my part to help out. ;) '


        (Plus they killed the Choppa, which is what I was going to be... :( )

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        September 9, 2008 9:39 AM

        If it weren't for greenskins I'd probably be Order all the way :(

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      September 9, 2008 7:27 AM

      I still can't patch this game. It keeps giving me a username/password error no matter what I do. I've tried combinations of both accounts I've created, and even changed the passwords on both. I sent support an email, but who knows when I'll hear back.

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        September 9, 2008 7:47 AM

        I am assuming that one of your accounts lists Open Beta Accepted or something along those lines?

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      September 9, 2008 7:46 AM

      Are there any decent 2HE Destuction classses? At the moment I'm heavily swaying to Order, apart from Sorcerer, none of the other Destruction lot seem appealing. From the sounds of it, they are also heavily populated which makes me wonder why i would want to join them in the first place?

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        September 9, 2008 7:50 AM

        Because there was a large population of whiners shackers who said Destruction and destruction only in the polls.

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          September 9, 2008 7:51 AM

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          September 9, 2008 8:29 AM

          It's the open beta, the guild and our characters will cease to exist. That being said, I think I'm liking Order better than Destruction. Just the environments I've played in, the characters, and the cooperation in RvR seem much better on the Order side atm.

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            September 9, 2008 9:43 AM

            Interesting, we've stomped Order in pretty much every RvR match I've played.

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        September 9, 2008 8:24 AM

        The marauder has a weapon and his morphing arm. I pretty sure the Black Orcs can be 2 handed later on.

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          September 9, 2008 8:30 AM

          yes, black orks can wield great weapons (thats what the big 2 handers are called)

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      September 9, 2008 7:50 AM

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      September 9, 2008 8:30 AM

      Pondering an Ironbreaker since I love the fuck out of tanking in WoW these days mmm, bear droods. Shammies sound fun though, especially with the orc starting area.

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      September 9, 2008 8:33 AM

      Started with a Black Orc and liked it.

      Trying out a Sorc now.....

      Melts the hell out of things but I dont know if its lag or buggy but it needs some heavy work. Trying to time spells with cooldowns is complete guesswork because even though it seems to show that timers are up I get spammed with "Ability not Ready" or "Spell not Ready".

      The biggest pain in the ass bug for me right now is the "Not Targetable" bug......its especially horendous in PQ. This one *needs* to get sorted out quicker rather than later as it is not only super annoying but can break a PQ until the mob resets itself (and in PQs there are so many people it can take a damn long time for it to reset itself).

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        September 9, 2008 8:37 AM

        the bright wizard's spell effects are definately more "complete"

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          September 9, 2008 8:37 AM

          oh, yeah, also that targetting bug is really annoying.

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      September 9, 2008 8:41 AM

      So as a sorcerer is there no real way to level up my spells until I get to lvl 11 and choose a path? I guess I can boost the spells with gear that increases my intelligence.

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        September 9, 2008 10:13 AM

        Your spells level with you. If it does 10 damage at level 1 it will do 12 at level 2, 14 at level 3, etc.

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      September 9, 2008 8:42 AM

      Is there anywhere in the UI that shows "target of target"? It makes healing annoying to have to have health bars above people's heads and heal based on who is getting hit instead of just targetting the "boss" of a public quest and healing who he is attacking. Guess I'm just used to healing based on "assisting" the opponent.

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        September 9, 2008 8:43 AM

        is there a Grid-type UI for warhammer yet? where it'll display everyone's health bars in one place so you can watch that instead of the action?

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          September 9, 2008 8:46 AM

          I love grid plus clique to heal in wow. I hope there is something similar in WAR

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            September 9, 2008 8:50 AM

            yeah, i couldn't live without it. it's a bummer that warhammer has to start from the beginning as far as mods go... i'm so used to having everything configurable to the Nth degree with high-quality mods in WoW.

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          September 9, 2008 8:52 AM

          mythic was "hiring" mod writers in the forums a while ago

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            September 9, 2008 9:31 AM

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              September 9, 2008 9:35 AM

              i hope mythic does the complete opposite of this :( mods are great because there's no way one UI is going to suit every single player in all classes, and an active mod scene lets the community figure out what works the best. if i had to raid heal using the built-in WoW raid interface we'd probably wipe on every trash mob

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      September 9, 2008 8:43 AM

      I having a bit of difficulty with my bindings and control scheme I use. I like to hold down right mouse button in combat so I can strafe and stuff (same way I play wow) but in WAR while I'm holding down that button you can't use other spells/attacks that are bound to other mouse buttons, like middle mouse button and such. You have to let go off the right mouse button to use the other mouse binds thus removing you ability to strafe :( I guess I'm nit picking but I'm so used to playing that way.

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        September 9, 2008 8:45 AM

        i had that exact problem. i had to bind the buttons on my mouse to keyboard commands

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          September 9, 2008 8:47 AM

          yeah same. I just but buffs and stuff on my other mouse buttons for now. I have a lot of mouse buttons on the MX revolution and I like to user them all :)

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      September 9, 2008 8:49 AM

      sub thread hijack

      which classes as the class you play piss you off the most?

      me? ive been playing bright wizard and iron breaker and its definitely black orks. they are FUCKING TANKS. zealots can go screw them selves also. just wait till i get my silence mother fuckers

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        September 9, 2008 8:53 AM

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          September 9, 2008 9:20 AM

          As a Black Orc I fucking hate engineers; they have this stupid knockback ability that has more than once catapulted me off the top of the gates, and the turrets NEVER GO AWAY. Is there even a fucking cooldown on those things!?

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            September 9, 2008 9:22 AM

            Turrets can be destroyed but I don't think they have a "destroyed" model. It throws me off all the damn time.

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              September 9, 2008 3:02 PM

              2 minute timer on turrets. No cooldown on resummon. Short summon animation. There is a destroyed model on timeout, not sure on destruction.

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            September 9, 2008 9:49 AM

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              September 9, 2008 10:07 AM

              Yeah, what I mean is that it seems like the skill doesn't have a cooldown; as soon as you destroy one they just build another one.

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                September 9, 2008 12:05 PM

                I've only tried Engi once, but there's no cooldown at all. You don't even have to destroy your old one first. As soon as the second is up, the first just goes away.

                It would be interesting if they added a cooldown to when it was destroyed. So you could build a new one instantly if you had one up, but you had a 1 minute window for the 'shock' of someone destroying your gun to wear off. ;)

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        September 9, 2008 9:47 AM

        i wish chosen were so tough :(

        we're still pretty solid though.

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          September 9, 2008 9:48 AM

          xxiv are you going to be playing tonight?

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            September 9, 2008 10:02 AM

            yeah i replied to your thread on the warshack forum.

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              September 9, 2008 10:03 AM

              your reply, whatever you know what i mean.

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          September 9, 2008 3:05 PM

          Really? Damn, in one Scenario I played as Order the Chosen was the last dude standing. He took an incredible amount of beating, it seemed.

          Hmm, maybe he was shielded by something, 'cuz later he went down faster.

          I need to read up on all the abilities. The whole damage splitting and shielding and taunting and back-stabbing stuff is way more positional than WoW, I think.

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        September 9, 2008 12:27 PM

        My Sorceress continues to get raped by Ironbreakers. I just cant kill them fast enough at range, then they charge me, root me, and I die very quick.

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      September 9, 2008 9:27 AM

      I am so sick of the words "target is unattackable"

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        September 9, 2008 9:28 AM

        oh no kidding. Esp as I'm getting my ass kicked.

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        September 9, 2008 12:27 PM

        Does that mean the mob is bugged?

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          September 9, 2008 12:31 PM

          Yes. I've seen it happen in PQ's a few times which is doubly annoying because usually what happens is there is one mob left that needs to be killed to get onto the next stage.

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        September 9, 2008 12:46 PM

        Ugh, really. They always, always pop up during PQs.

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        September 9, 2008 12:51 PM

        This seems new to the Open Beta. May be a result of their servers getting hit hard. It would be very hard for me to believe that this lasts for very long.

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        September 9, 2008 3:16 PM

        I am hoping that this is patched by tonight. It is so frustrating.

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      September 9, 2008 9:29 AM

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        September 9, 2008 11:57 AM

        I'm a chosen. We also get knock-backs and snares later. Good stuff.

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      September 9, 2008 9:58 AM

      Shammies are crazy strong. I like my Chosen, but he needs to be more "tankish". Feels just a tad too squishy for a tank.

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      September 9, 2008 11:59 AM

      As a newbie to MMORPG's it feels a bit overwhelming though i expect i'd get that from any MMO. The help system sucks as it doesn't cover a lot of things but i guess they think it's mostly MMO veterans playing the beta. I signed up mostly to play with Shackers but i guess the guild is full and there was like no one on the chat channel so that made me a sad panda.

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        September 9, 2008 12:03 PM

        Don't worry the full game will have a much higher guild cap :)

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        September 9, 2008 12:04 PM

        I can't imagine just starting a MMO for the first time these days. I think so many of us just take a lot of stuff for granted because we've been doing it for years in one way or another.

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          September 9, 2008 12:06 PM

          i'm totally taking my time on leveling. enjoying it. i'm sure we'll have years to reroll and power through or whatever but there's nothing like that first climb to level cap.

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      September 9, 2008 12:07 PM

      I know, I know, I can't help it. I LOVE this game. I love that it's like a huge WoW expansion. I don't care if it rips off a lot from the best. I got sick of WoW, but WAR is a nice breath of fresh air.

      I'm happiest that they have a great UI scale, as I'm legally blind and most MMO are hard to see. So yeah, I've only spent an hour into the game so far and already am hooked.

      After LOTRO and Age of Conan, I'm ready for a good, addictive MMO for once.

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      September 9, 2008 12:56 PM

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      September 9, 2008 1:51 PM

      I also love my shammy. I'm learning to play it too :P They seem really powerful. The healing and damaging ;)

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      September 9, 2008 3:04 PM

      No one told me how awesome the quest guide/assistance stuff is. Jesus, not only did they borrow from WoW they took from some of the most helpful addons and then some - the blobs showing you quest areas is fucking amazing, so helpful without being too hand holdy.

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      September 9, 2008 3:13 PM

      i want to go home and play right now =[

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