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September 2, 2008 5:44 AM

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With Labor Day concluded here in the states, it looks like things should be waking today. PAX was this last weekend, but we've got a few aftershocks left in the form of this forthcoming PAX Rock Band pack, and Nick's impressions of Spore and StarCraft 2. And seen on the Wii Virtual Console yesterday was the classic Super Mario RPG, it's always nice when Nintendo doles out one of the big titles.

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PoopStewart

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September 2, 2008 5:44 AM

Can't wait to try out Google Chrome.
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  September 2, 2008 5:46 AM
  
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  - PoopStewart
    
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    September 2, 2008 5:47 AM
    
    Yes, sometime today.
  - Demius
    
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    September 2, 2008 5:52 AM
    
    lazy hippy? its only 5:50am on the west coast >:(
    - changejar419
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:09 AM
      
      I was up at 5:50am. :)
      - Demius
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:22 AM
        
        so was i <-- west coaster :D
        
        bostrov
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:24 AM
        
        was up at 4:00 am, also west coaster
  - jan0r pants
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:34 AM
    
    10:00 PST
- Slowtreme
  
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  September 2, 2008 5:47 AM
  
  Chrome Safari Firefox
- helvetica
  
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  September 2, 2008 5:47 AM
  
  I'm crossing my fingers that my sites will look okay on the shiny new browser.
- aurealis
  
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  September 2, 2008 5:49 AM
  
  this looks sweet, i didnt even know about it
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  September 2, 2008 5:50 AM
  
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  - jcupitt
    
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    September 2, 2008 5:59 AM
    
    really? :( they say win, mac and linux in their comic
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      September 2, 2008 6:01 AM
      
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      - jcupitt
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:02 AM
        
        oh :( gah! I'm not sure I'd use it tbh since I love my ff extensions so much, but it would be interesting to try
        
        boring gegtik
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:04 AM
        
        I suspect 99% of their developers used firefox before moving onto this project so I expect to see some way to port add-ons over
        
        jcupitt
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:06 AM
        
        yes, they've got quite a few of the ff devs working on the project even
        
        the comic doesn't mention an extension api though, ah well
        
        Slowtreme
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:09 AM
        
        is that the gear stuff? I think page 34
    - boring gegtik
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:01 AM
      
      today's beta is supposed to be windows only, with other platforms being released laster
- ThomW
  
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  September 2, 2008 5:51 AM
  
  Is there more to Google Chrome than just the process->tab thing? If not, I wish they'd just add that to Firefox and not bring out another browser I have to test shit on. :P
  - boring gegtik
    
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    September 2, 2008 5:52 AM
    
    http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/
    - Slowtreme
      
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      September 2, 2008 5:57 AM
      
      It's like they are claiming other browsers haven't rebooted their code base since 1990. Except, chrome is built on other browsers code base, so
      
      I'm pretty much over this already.
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      - aurealis
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:01 AM
        
        i didn't get that impression
        
        Fayk
        
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        September 2, 2008 11:06 AM
        
        They try to infer it on the first damn page (bottom and second to last panel)
      - boring gegtik
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:02 AM
        
        you read things real funny
        
        Slowtreme
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:05 AM
        
        it's the only way I can lol your posts.
  - jcupitt
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:02 AM
    
    >10x faster than firefox3 on javascript, nice minimal interface, everything is super sandboxed and jailed, even more so than ie8
    - ThomW
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:08 AM
      
      I never buy Javascript speed claims until I see them. You can optimize the shit out of a particular test to win benchmarks but doesn't necessarily carry over to actually using it.
      
      Plus, how is it versus TraceMonkey?
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        September 2, 2008 6:27 AM
        
        should be the same or faster ... of course we'll see soon enough
      - action roommate
        
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        September 2, 2008 8:16 AM
        
        Dude, they have a javascript VM. I wouldn't be surprised if it's 10x faster or even more.
      - Fayk
        
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        September 2, 2008 11:07 AM
        
        Isn't FF in the process of making a new Javascript engine too? I know webkit has squirrelfish or whatever coming.
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        September 2, 2008 11:31 AM
        
        What the crap is TraceMonkey?
- ra1n
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:03 AM
  
  I can't bring myself to read that stupid comic.
  - bamb
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:04 AM
    
    I can't imagine who'd want to
    - ra1n
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:08 AM
      
      See above.
      - gakera
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:11 AM
        
        It's good and explains allot of things general to all browsers and other technologies. Your comicophobia is just sad
        
        ra1n
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:22 AM
        
        My phobia is relegated to product explanations via xkcd.
        
        gakera
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:35 AM
        
        ah, like how my baseballophobia is relegated to sportastic activities via mhob (man handling of balls)
        meaning
        xkcd is just one brand of comic and there are many others that can be very good.
        Don't say basketball sucks just because the WNBA is no fun to watch.
        
        ra1n
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:49 AM
        
        That made very little sense. But thanks for proving my point about the type of people who enjoy that comic.
        
        gakera
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:03 AM
        
        hahah that made perfect sense thanks fro proving my point about the type of people who don't :D
        
        ra1n
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:24 AM
        
        I know you are but what am I?
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        September 2, 2008 6:23 AM
        
        Also, see below.
  - nomaad
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:25 AM
    
    It's actually really good, it explains a lot of design and UI choices.
    - azenmaster
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:42 AM
      
      Is that an oxymoron?
      - nomaad
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:43 AM
        
        what no, they are talking about architectural decisions and stuff aka software design look just read the damn thing.
        
        azenmaster
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:58 AM
        
        how can it be really good but talk about that?
        
        nomaad
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:01 AM
        
        because some people are interested in that?
        
        Goncyn
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:59 AM
        
        Because it does a fantastic job of explaining those things in a clear, concise way?
  - Chod
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:37 AM
    
    I read 10 pages then got mad it wasn't over. 38 pages is way too long.
  - MamiyaOtaru
    
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    September 2, 2008 8:29 AM
    
    It's illustrated by Scott McCloud, that micropayments windbag D:
- spaceless
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:09 AM
  
  but firefox has the cooler name :(
  
  ill rename chrome.exe to firefox.exe
  - e1ghtball
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:18 AM
    
    why stop there? you could name it galacticdeathmonkey.exe, coolness +10
- avatar_58
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:13 AM
  
  I'll try it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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  September 2, 2008 6:27 AM
  
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- epit
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:30 AM
  
  wtf is google chrome? can someone tldr for me? that comic just isnt cutting it
  - nomaad
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:32 AM
    
    it is a browser from Google and it is coming out today.
    - nomaad
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:32 AM
      
      and it is open source.
      - lightly inclined
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:34 AM
        
        and apparently it's multithreaded and does cool things with tabs.
        
        Matt Burris
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:40 AM
        
        and it will take your mom out on romantic dates.
        
        TwiLyght
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:42 AM
        
        and it will let you win in NHL09 when you're down by two goals.
    - epit
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:54 AM
      
      weird. why are they releasing their own browser when they've put so much $$ into mozilla?
      - Maarten Goldstein
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:57 AM
        
        because they have their own specific ideas about what they want a browser to do
      - nomaad
        
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        September 2, 2008 6:57 AM
        
        I guess Firefox isn't really meeting their business goals, they've been nabbing a few people from Mozilla to work on this. I bet Mozilla is pretty pissed off right now.
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        September 2, 2008 11:08 AM
        
        My guess? Firefox = referral $$$ to Mozilla. Chrome = No referral $$$, pays for development by itself alone.
  - magistersmax
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:33 AM
    
    INTARWEBS.
    - Mini-d
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:44 AM
      
      Isn't INTARWEBS; ITS TEH INTERNETS
- spiderfill
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:37 AM
  
  I suspect it won't have any adblocking
  - nomaad
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:42 AM
    
    hardly out of the box, but it does have plugin support.
  - avatar_58
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:46 AM
    
    I'd worry about google ads being attached to the browser myself.
  - digital_d
    
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    September 2, 2008 11:17 AM
    
    So? It's based on WebKit, and there's a WebKit adblock plugin.
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  - jan0r pants
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:48 AM
    
    Wiki says 18:00 GMT (10:00 PST).
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      September 2, 2008 6:50 AM
      
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      - zerog83
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:08 AM
        
        18:00GMT is 1pm EST, 10am PST
        
        lightly inclined
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:13 AM
        
        So around three more hours then. ;(
        
        Blah, I'm going to sleep.
        
        arhughes
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:17 AM
        
        4 hours. 2PM EDT.
        
        zerog83
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:17 AM
        
        yeah, forgot we're only -4 during DST
        
        arhughes
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:18 AM
        
        Yeah, but you were still correct. 18:00 GMT = 1:00 PM EST = 2:00 PM EDT.
        
        lightly inclined
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:21 AM
        
        For me, it's three more hours. I'm GMT+10.
    - bostrov
      
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      September 2, 2008 6:52 AM
      
      and we're on daylight time now, 11 am PDT.
      - jan0r pants
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:03 AM
        
        Whoops; right you are.
        
        arhughes
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:07 AM
        
        So were you. 10 PST = 11 PDT. I hate timezones.
        
        jan0r pants
        
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        September 2, 2008 9:20 AM
        
        Yeah, but who's actually using PST right now? :D
        
        I hate time; programming anything to do with it ever usually makes me hate the world.
- bozer
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:46 AM
  
  interesting this is coming out right when ive become sick of FireFox 3. Its been locking up for me at home when trying to watch videos from time to time.
  - ThomW
    
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    September 2, 2008 6:51 AM
    
    I wish there was some open source competition for Flash. Apparently Silverlight isn't enough of a threat to light a fire under Adobe's ass to fix this shit.
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      September 2, 2008 7:01 AM
      
      there are two open source flash replacements (erm, and both suck somewhat, but swfdec will now do youtube I think)
  - boring gegtik
    
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    September 2, 2008 7:04 AM
    
    yeah FF3 works really well on OSX except when it crashes all the time
- aeg1x
  
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  September 2, 2008 6:53 AM
  
  yeah at first I was pretty meh but after reading about it it sounds like they've got some really good ideas going.
- avatar_58
  
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  September 2, 2008 7:04 AM
  
  By the way, is the theme shown in all the web pages a custom windows theme or is it Google Chrome's default look? I ask because I *hate* custom app themes. Just match my O/S theme please, I don't need dozens of apps with their own 'look'.
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    September 2, 2008 7:05 AM
    
    I don't think you quite understand, that is the O/S look. You're looking at google O/S running under a windows host.
    - avatar_58
      
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      September 2, 2008 7:09 AM
      
      No I'm pretty sure it's "just another browser". Ergo it should follow the O/S theme I have set for my system.
      - boring gegtik
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:13 AM
        
        FF didn't support native window decorations till FF3. google's releasing the first public beta revision of an app, I don't really see what the big deal is to get all pussyhurt about
        
        avatar_58
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:17 AM
        
        Isn't that contradictory to the whole starting over for 2008 thing? Yes it's 2008, and in 2008 we don't mask our programs with themes.
        
        boring gegtik
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:18 AM
        
        shit yes I believe their number one most important goal in making a new browser was not to upset the aesthetic sensibilities of browser connoisseurs!!!
        
        avatar_58
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:20 AM
        
        You seem to think it takes effort to use the O/S theme, when in reality it's the reverse. It took effort and time to make it look as it does now. Why not just take off that silly resource-wasting nonsense?
        
        nomaad
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:17 AM
        
        no it should be perfect and behave only as I want it to, otherwise why would Google even bother!!??
        
        Goncyn
        
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        September 2, 2008 8:04 AM
        
        Eh? FF always had native window decorations, it just lacked native UI widgets, which is different.
        
        Richese
        
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        September 2, 2008 10:44 AM
        
        FF3 still doesn't quite follow them, at least not in Vista.
      - hawkeye
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:14 AM
        
        I read his post as "Chrome is it's own O/S, welcome to the Google Overlord Future"
        
        boring gegtik
        
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        September 2, 2008 7:17 AM
        
        thank you!!!!!! all hail Techno-emperor Brin
  - goatjc
    
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    September 2, 2008 7:06 AM
    
    I was thinking this as well. Or hopefully it's at least on par w/ firefox / IE.
- pieman
  
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  September 2, 2008 7:05 AM
  
  I've become increasing frustrated with FF3 locking up and adverts loading via javascript slowing page loading right down (although that maybe just horrible CDNs). Seperate tab processes is enough for me to switch.
  
  With google hosting most JS libaries now, and bandwidth not a concern for end users, plus gears, it's an exciting time for devs. I just hope they support SVG, Canvas, MathML etc well.
  - hawkeye
    
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    September 2, 2008 7:07 AM
    
    Should support all those things since it's likely got all of Webkit's functionality.
    - pieman
      
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      September 2, 2008 7:20 AM
      
      Webkit isn't great with in-line SVG, a couple of examples can be seen here:
      
      http://jwatt.org/svg/demos/xhtml-with-inline-svg.xhtml
      
      http://www.w3.org/TR/XHTMLplusMathMLplusSVG/sample.xhtml
- hawkeye
  
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  September 2, 2008 7:06 AM
  
  Even if it only succeeds in getting Mozilla to move their ass or bring more attention to Webkit it'll be worth it. Mozilla's been talking about the process separation and a faster Javascript engine (FF3 is faster but still slow) for years now.
- biofrog
  
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  September 2, 2008 7:10 AM
  
  Does chroming have the same meaning in the US as it does in AU?
  
  It seems so, but it seems weird to me Australia gets special mention O.o
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_substance_abuse#Australia
  - gakera
    
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    September 2, 2008 7:14 AM
    
    The only instance of "chroming" I can find on that page is in the EU - NA part
    The practice of inhaling such substances is sometimes colloquially referred to as huffing, sniffing (or "glue-sniffing"), dusting, or chroming.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volatile_substance_abuse#Europe_and_North_America
    
    so... yes?
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      September 2, 2008 7:15 AM
      
      Huffing is the common colloquialism all the places I've been in the U.S.
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  September 2, 2008 7:24 AM
  
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- PoopStewart
  
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  September 2, 2008 7:54 AM
  
  Just in case it was missed, release time is 10:00 Pacific (1:00p Eastern).
  - gakera
    
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    September 2, 2008 7:58 AM
    
    which is 17 UTC
  - arhughes
    
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    September 2, 2008 8:02 AM
    
    11 AM PDT, 2PM EDT
    
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10030025-2.html
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  - Danny5225
    
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    September 2, 2008 8:45 AM
    
    Nice. I want to play with it.
  - Magus
    
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    September 2, 2008 8:56 AM
    
    8pm my time =\
  - Zero|DPX
    
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    September 2, 2008 10:39 AM
    
    No, it's not. Trust me when I say this :)
    - -sk-
      
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      September 2, 2008 10:41 AM
      
      Oh snap!
    - PoopStewart
      
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      September 2, 2008 10:42 AM
      
      I do trust you! Is it 3pm Eastern then?
  - arhughes
    
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    September 2, 2008 11:08 AM
    
    Noon Pacific, per the google press conference.
    - PoopStewart
      
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      September 2, 2008 11:10 AM
      
      So, ~50 minutes from now.
- sKetchflow
  
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  September 2, 2008 8:30 AM
  
  Dear Google,
  
  lame.
  
  Signed, Mac "It just.. IS NOT FUCKING THERE" User
- Ziz
  
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  September 2, 2008 8:46 AM
  
  It needs more Chrome.
  - Phreakin
    
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    September 2, 2008 8:52 AM
    
    Chrome spinner logo.
- Ziz
  
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  September 2, 2008 9:15 AM
  
  So what time is the release eastern? Somebody said 1pm?
  - cyclonebee
    
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    September 2, 2008 9:23 AM
    
    It's been said about 5 times already but that's 1 PM Eastern.
- Hizzow
  
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  September 2, 2008 11:48 AM
  
  It's up folks! http://www.google.com/chrome/
  - sonicdeathwalrus
    
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    September 2, 2008 11:48 AM
    
    Yup. D/L-ed and imported my bookmarks, gonna give it a run now
- chiisu81
  
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  September 2, 2008 11:48 AM
  
  Immediate memory errors, couldn't get to any page. Uninstalled.
  - AllYourBase
    
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    September 2, 2008 11:51 AM
    
    yousuck at installing then, working here!