Morning Discussion
A cavalcade of trailers have popped up, which all can be leisurely grazed at ShackVideo but here are some of the E3 highlights: Fallout 3, Banjo Kazooie, Final Fantasy 13, Mirrors Edge, Rage, Left 4 Dead, Sims 3, Gears of War 2, Prince of Persia, Red Alert 3 and Ghostbusters.
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replySony better pony up today. i dont see a bright future for the ps3
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What did they announce besides a few minor upgrades to the Dashboard that they should have added a long time ago? Netflix is pretty badass, but dashboard updates aren't all that crazy and exciting for most of us ;)
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Ahh ok, thats cool. I didn't know people were still that excited about FF games
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What makes a Final Fantasy game these days, anyway? Squeenix is popping out these games with bad voice acting and generic photo-rendered anime characters with swords and technodragons. What sets FFn apart from (the ridiculously titled) Infinite Undiscovery? The FF battle and upgrade systems change every game anyway, there's no overarching story line... It's really just a brand name from what I can see.
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Watch the retrospectives on gametrailers. There's like 13 of them. They're great.
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hahah, no I remember hearing a lot of people complain about the previous FF games due to their sheer enormity. Maybe that was me complaining and I imagined it was other people, who knows I'm probably crazy.
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I dont like that its basically a single player MMO. I personally despise MMO style combat, in any game. This is pretty much the main reason I've subscribed to an MMO beyond playing a 1 week trial and uninstalling it.
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I saw that bit on the press conference, I bet a lot of people were going, "WTF is this?"
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I'm not sure why but this decision bothers me. I guess it's mostly out of nostalgia but a small part of me will feel guilty for enjoying this on the xbox.
On the other hand, I won't have to purchase a PS3 for this game and it was the one game that would require said purchase.
\o/ hooray!
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Yea the marketplace downloads is pretty cool, I've always wondered why they didn't offer something like that though. It's not anything particularly difficult to develop (considering the other functionality their platform already offers) so it's surprising that it took them this long to do it.
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since everyone is using the same OS with the same hardware do you really have to spend that much time worrying about edge cases during the development cycle?
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Absolutely. Though everyone is using the same hardware and OS not everyone is using the same network configurations. Both from the client to the hardware. It's also necessary to make sure that the bandwidth is there for high demand content.
If we were to just release some half assed fix for this, there would be a major uproar. Also you have to take consideration to the fact that initially when the 360 was released, having a channel to download or stream content to your computer, like Steam, was yet to be proven as a successful business model (aside from the expected demand of titles like HL2).
But now that our catalog has grown exponentially, its almost a necessity.
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Minor upgrades? I've been bustin my ass working on this stuff, it's far from minor. The UI update to the dash is quite huge. However yes some elements like a broader resolution support, install to hdd, download queuing are things that could have been addressed previously.
Regardless the improvements are large ones.-
I'll be really happy with the dashboard upgrades, but isn't E3 supposed to be about announcing new games?
I miss the old days when E3 was huge and everyone announced 30 new awesome games :(-
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Oh, well I feel like a dumbass.
This whole thread should be nuked then, I thought yesterday was the first day so that's why I was disappointed. Does it start today?
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download queuing should be nice. i forgot to turn on my download for too human demo after i got into some bad company online last night and it auto-shut off. i assumed it would resume and keep downloading when i logged off but the lights went out fully on the console and i was too lazy to restart the download :(
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I'm not hard to please and I wasn't trolling, I guess am still getting used to this *new & improved* E3 that doesn't revolve around dozens of new game announcements.
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Really?
Dashboard: Hard for me to get excited about a firmware revision, especially when it was so badly needed (PS3 winning by a long shot on this one)
Avatars: Ugh.
Price Drop: About time, for one, and I already have one, for two. So not a big deal.
60 GB Version: Ok.
FFXIII: Bought a PS3 (not just for this) and am impressed enough with the hardware that I won't be buying another game for the 360 that I can get on the PS3, if I even buy another 360 game at all.
Netflix: This is really cool, but the system is pretty noisy, even when the drive isn't spinning, and they're requiring XBL Gold for the right to do it, and mine runs out at the end of the month. So unless someone else has a sale and I can get a year for $30 again, I'll never see it.
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I dont really like the new dashboard (sorry two50six!), though I do think its cool as hell to be able to do all that stuff with your party. I guess I will just wait and see on the new interface. I hate the avatars already.
The Netflix stuff sounds pretty sweet, I can only wish they allow it to buffer a bit to the hard drive as Netflix keeps dropping the quality (on the PC) saying I dont have good enough connection when I do.
Remote marketplace sounds like a cool concept in theory, but lets see how it works once implemented. I dont plan on leaving my 360 turned on all of the time, its just not going to happen.
The install option will be nice on a few games to reduce the loading times. I may just get that hdmi enabled elite I have been thinking about... my 20gig hdd usually only has about 2gigs free space at any time without having to manage it all of the time.
I could give a shit about Final Fantasy as its not my thing, but I do understand the impact that will make in the industry and I think that really does put them ahead of Sony.
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If the elite was quieter and cooler I would get one in a minute.
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The 65nm Elites that are supposed to arrive in August should be cooler. No idea if they'll be quieter tho.
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Wow, is that some special 180$+tax upgrade? I cannot fit a sandwich in my dvd player. man, the 360 even doubles up as an oven, and here i thought it just carried on the legacy of the 5950ultra.
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I wish they would come out with like a $50 HDD enclosure that lets you put whatever drive you want in there. Either that or drop the price of the 120GB drive down to sub 100
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the hard drive comes with an ethernet cable? that seems a bit odd.
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No, I would have been perfectly fine with that, it's a sneak peak of the next generation. Having all my 360 games on a single and being able to jump between games without having to get up and change disc would have been AWESOME. But that's not what's happening.
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not really. a DVD9 is only 9.6GB. the original HDDs are 20GB (with 12GB free space). the new HDDs are 60GB (i'm assuming has 52GB free space after the system's required 8GB) and then, of course, the Elites have 120GB drives (with maybe 112GB free space?).
if you have any of the available hard drives, it's free. if you're a loser without a hard drive, you don't care enough about gaming to even own a 360. losers.-
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its optional, its better than not having the option at all, what solution do you want? they hand out a free 120gb harddrive to everyone? people complained before that they wanted the option once the PS3 was doing it and now you're bitching that your harddrive is too small and they should've seen this coming 2 years ago and given everyone 120gb drives from the start for no added cost or what exactly?
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only noobs without headphones have this problem :)
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Yeah. I don't get the love for the ps3 about the volume. If I have the PS3 in my entertainment center, then the circulation is poor and the fans kick on if I so much as try to play a dvd. So my choices are pull it out of there in which case it is quiet, but fucks up my Wife Approval Factortm, or I can leave it in there, in which case it is so loud it sounds like a jet engine. I guess if you have your shit sitting out on a table it's pretty quiet :-/
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That's weird. My 360 never gets as loud as you are talking about, but my PS3 is absurdly loud. The 360 is in a slightly better ventilated spot in the entertainment center, so maybe that's enough to make the difference.
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This made me laugh.. thank you. :)
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I notice after I am done playing and the drive spins down. While I am playing I generally have the volume at the point where I can hear what's happening.
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I really hope Sony has something. I think we will see backwards compatabilty across all skus, God of War III, and killzone 2. I just can't think of any annoucement Sony could make to save face in the current situation. They are in last place, with the most expensive hardware, and too few exclusives.
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I'm not making any quality judgements on the hardware. Its better hardware wise than the 360. I am just refering to Sony's standing in the current gen market place.
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lol backwards compatibility. It's a sad time when people still care about that.
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I'm in the same boat. I would love to be able to go through the ps2's back catalog since I never played any of them.
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What? Considering the sheer wealth in the ps1 and ps2 libraries, I don't think it's at all irrelevant that people want to experience some of the classics for the first time or revisit old favorites.
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How is saying that "Its a sad time when people still care about that" have anything to do with Sony's business model? Buying a PS3 only for BC is dumb yes, but thats not what his statement was saying.
And no BC wont hurt the PS3, the PS3 is hurting the PS3, for now. The 360 is backwards compatible and I'm pretty sure that 360 titles have since trumped those of Original Xbox titles. Most people that want backwards compatibility already have an existing library or titles for the previous system and would enjoy the luxury of having 1 system that can play their previous library while owning new ones for the new generation.
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you are crazy. there are a ton of great ps2 games that i still play/want to play.
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What is crazy is people not buying a PS3 because it does not have backwards compatibility. That being the deciding selling factor is SAD. Go buy a used PS2 for $45 or a new one for $99.
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or you could spend that $100 to get the 80 gb ps3 with backwards compatibility. With a dual shock controller, and MGS4.
I find it sad that PS2 games are still more of a selling point than PS3 games.-
If you can even find that bundle.
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circuitcity.com has it avail. And most stores I have been to have them in stock now.
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You are missing the point. People want the latest and greatest but don't want to shut any doors. Why not buy a ps3 and be able to play ps1/ps2 games on it while waiting for the specific ps3 titles that you want to finally arrive?
All that, on just one console. Not to much to ask I think.-
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You guys are hilarious about this. People who want to play PS1 games on their PS3, seriously? lol.-
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Parappa the Rapper is worth it. I agree.
Punch, kick.
The sequel sucked though :(
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I play Frogger on my 360. Just because a game is "old" doesn't mean people don't want to play it. I wouldn't mind playing some ps1 games. The idea of having one box to play ps1, ps2, and ps3 games is very appealing.
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Now you're just trolling.
Is it really implausible that someone who played MGS4 might get curious about the older games in the series, and want to check MGS2 or even MGS for the first time? Rather then rooting around for a ps1 or a ps2, he just throws it in the ps3 and is on his way. The first Tenchu? Parappa? Front Mission 3? All great titles, worthy of anyone's time. One box, for everything.
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That $45 or $99 could be put towards a PS3 with backwards compatibility if they made one. Also the PS2 looks pretty asstastic on big HDTV's.
For me personally, I don't want to buy another PS2 to replace my broken one and I'm not in a hurry to play the PS3 games so there is no point me buying a PS3 yet. I might consider it if they lowered the price but even then I think I'll just hold out and see if they do add backwards compatibility. The only game that can make me change my mind is the new Team Ico game. If that turns out to be good (high chance) then I will get a ps3.-
Also my biggest reason for not buying one is that they haven't categorically stated that they WON'T ever bring back the BC. If they said it would never come, I would probably just buy one anyway (when a game or two came out) but until they deny it I would rather wait. I just know if I did buy one they'll announce one with BC and i'll regret it.
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i didnt get a ps3 until i could find one that was backwards compatible. i dont have the shelf space to accommodate a Wii, 360, PS3, and PS2. Thats not sad or crazy.
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^^^ this is what my theory is too
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I'd be shocked if they added BC to all skus, it seems like they've pretty much phased it out at this point and given up on the idea even though it was one of their bullet points pre launch for why it was better than the 360
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Sit on their hands and they will sell millions less than the 360
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White Knight Story/Chronicles and LittleBigPlanet are the only two PS3 exclusives that interest me. And I'm not sure either one is a system-seller.
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I keep hearing that LBP will hit the pc a year after the ps3. If true I can wait. If not... well sony better show something today or my mad cash is likely to be spent on a larger hard drive for the 360.
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TBH, I think I'd enjoy it more as a console game than a PC game.
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I enjoy games more on my pc. I like to think I'm platform agnostic but there is something about gaming at a desk with a mouse and keyboard with a high resolution monitor that is much more appealing to me than sitting on my couch with an hd tv across the room. I know most people would perfer to game on the couch but not me.
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Plus, Bluray "won" but really it just beat another format. There still is On Demand, digital downloads, finally DVDs before its won anything.
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Haha. :) I thought they were dropping costs, but they certainly poured a fuck load into it. Is it really doing that badly in the US compared to Japan and Europe? It's not like MS is doing great in Japan either, however much they wish. Maybe FFXIII will change that to some degree but probably not.
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They pretty even in terms of sales in the USA this year, software sales they're still away behind though I think but I don't track those.
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Here we go. The exact phase was "may not be fully recovered."
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53269
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Their future's so bright, I think they have AIDS.
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hey duuudes. dont forget. http://www.e3feed.com. it'll update from all main websites via rss including shack!. :)
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Threads like this are hilarious. OMG the PS3 is doomed because the X-box has a firmware upgrade!!!!!
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It is mostly the FF announcement. That was a huge selling factor and I have atleast a few friends who were going to buy a PS3 solely for FFXIII and now aren't going to. MGS/FFXIII was supposed to be this 1 2 punch of PS3 exclusive games.
I fully expect God of War 3 to be shown and be good but it doesn't have that system seller potential that the FF series does. God of War and MGS seem to tap in to the same audience, where the FF games seem to be much broader.-
Co-workers are looking to sell their ps3s on ebay now that FF13 was annouced. Apparently it was the only reason why they owned one. Sure they would play a game here and there but they rather just have one system and picked to keep the 360.
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Honestly I just can't comprehend buying any console for just one game. If people really only wanted it for the one game then they probably shouldn't have gotten one.
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Also, I can't understand the fanaticism for Final Fantasy games so maybe that is why it's so crazy to me. They all seem the same to me, but I don't dig JRPGs.
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But the thread wasn't titled OMG FFXIII is the death of the PS3. It was just that the PS3 was in trouble, and I doubt that.
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I think they will be fine with blu ray winning the HD war. Digital downloads of HD content is not going to happen anytime soon and I think the probably made that choice to lose money on the PS3 and win the HD war. But anyway, I don't care if Microsoft or Sony makes money on their consoles this generation. Neither one is going away anytime soon and they both have good systems that are fun to play.
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You should care because it affects what developers they attract, what console gets release priority, and could possibly affect the next round of consoles.
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I don't want to start a hijack but with cable companies charging for bandwith and the fact that they couldn't support everyone downloading HD movies I don't think it will take off for a while. But you are correct blu ray sales are slow going, but I think it will still have it's place in the next few years.
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I'd do it for FF7-2, but thats it.
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the thing that confuses me is the way they're BARELY going to start working on the 360 version as soon as the PS3 one gets done... so JAPAN will have FFXIII on ps3 first before the rest of the world. Now Square is going to start internationalizing the game and then also start development on the 360 version
so if the ps3 one gets localized first for the USA.... will square release it on ps3 first?
does localizing a game take way long? how long is it going to take square to develop the game for the 360?
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They will release it same day as the ps3 version in NA and Europe. If the ps3 version is done first, it will be delayed till the 360 version is finished.
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Read this, people:
http://kotaku.com/5025033/liveblogging-square-enix-press-conference
2:02 first they will finish ffxiii in japan. and then they will start localization for english.
2:03 at that point, they will start the xbox 360 development.
This is what the OP is saying. It could very well be a shitty translation, but the implication is that work is not starting on the 360 port until it's been released on the PS3 in Japan.-
That still doesn't change that it comes out on the same day as the PS3 version in the US and Europe.
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You can bet they've already started both processes.
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Final Fantasy games always come out ~1+ years earlier in Japan.
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LOL I don't get this mentality. If they bought a PS3 solely for FF13, then they paid at a minimum $400 + they will pay $60 for the game itself. $460 for a single game? These people are crazy. I can't think of any game I would pay $500 to play. I'm sure there's a lot of people who also want to play MGS4 and GTA4, so getting a PS3 isn't so bad in that respect, but buying a console just to play one game is retarded in my opinion.
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FF13 would have been the deal breaker for me as well. I have no plans to buy a PS3 in the near future anymore.
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I still think of the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player that can play games. The only game that is more than a rental on it for me is MGS4, and maybe Ratchet and Clank. Where Heavenly Sword, Resistance, Uncharted are all just rental games.
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I'll probably end up getting a PS3 simply for the BluRay functions, but as long as there is still regular DVD, I'm not worried about it. Sure BluRay is fucking awesome and blows DVD out of the water, but picture quality isn't worth an extra $500 to me.
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don't forget GTA used to be a Sony exclusive as well. GTA/FF/MGS4/GoW3 is a big set of killer exclusive games and now they've lost half of them.
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Right, but I would wager that a lot of people are less interested in buying a PS3 today than they were two days ago due to FF13 going multiplatform. It could mean bad for Sony, we shall have to wait and see how sales of both consoles and game titles are affected.
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Not doomed, but I think yesterday a WHOLE lot of people lost their reason for ever getting one, at least for the foreseeable future... Thanks to FF13 non-exclusivity. They've also got some really kickass stuff coming to XBL to continue to make it competitive with the free, but function lacking, PS3 online service.
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It's not unheard of for someone to buy a console for only one game. Hell, a lot of people did exactly that when MGS 4 came out.
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It is if you already have
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... a 360.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-uTnqYHZ-I Don't think I saw this posted. If it was, watch it again and bask in the fury.
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This has to be fake.
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Haha, good find.
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Request for Maddog narration.
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It's a possibility, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxY8yQRJW08
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It's fragmaster from Something Awful.
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Don't hang out on SA. Who is he?
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That's a wine glass. Brandy snifters have short stems. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a8/Snifter_Glass_(Brandy).svg/328px-Snifter_Glass_(Brandy).svg.png
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it's seriously likely that the two-piece Wii controller clone is enroute. remember, this is the company that hacked in motion support on the SIXAXIS in just a few weeks -- imagine what happens when they're even more worried about the Wii and they have months to work on it!
also, Sony adamantly denied there would be a price cut, so there will be a price cut.
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damn i guess ken was wrong, people didnt really want to work overtime for the privilege of owning a ps3
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I'm hoping to see/hear some new info on Heavy Rain or maybe that Rockstar PS3 game.
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Wait, I thought they had Marvel?
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lol if this is their big announcement they have problems.
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That's not really a big announcement, because it'll probably suck.
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And http://www.bungie.net/defaultsi.aspx reports 19 minutes to go...
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Haha, that's awesome. I hope the next Bungie AAA title is on the PS3.
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I'm pretty sure MS took the Halo IP in exchange for Bungie being cut loose.
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I wish both MS and Sony would stop using multiplatform titles in their montages/conferences.
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so ms would only have gears of war2 ? heh
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I find it funny that MS shows 3rd party titles (MP) more often than Sony does.
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This is already better then Nintendo's sad showing.
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Holy shit at Resistance 2 Godzilla sized critter.
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At least the first title they're showing is an exclusive rather than multiplatform game.
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It's kinda funny that both MS and Sony have these exclusive games fighting similar generic sci-fi enemies, and they seem to be constantly trying to one up each other.
"5 player co-op!"
"*8* player co-op!"
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Ok, this LBP thing is kinda awesome.
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