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June 17, 2008 2:24 AM

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So how about those leaks? It's almost like a better E3, no? Speaking of things that have been bottled up, the Spore Creature Creator demo is out, with the full release coming today for $10. Think we'll see much connectivity between the PC and DS versions of the full game? And more nice news in the form of the TeamFortress 2 PC Pyro update

coming this Thursday along with two user made maps. I see Valve, how you resort to slave labor. We're watching you. Watching you till you produce a new version of The Rock.

Jeff "geedeck" Gondek

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Helter Skelter

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June 17, 2008 5:42 AM

Dear EA: please to be putting Spore and/or the creature creator on Steam.

I know you won't, though, because you're a bunch of dicks.
- geedeck
  
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  June 17, 2008 5:43 AM
  
  EA DOWNLOADER IS YOUR FRIEND
  EA DOWNLOADER LOVES YOU
  EA DOWNLOADER WANTS TO CARRY YOUR BITS
  EA DOWNLOADER WANTS TO TAKE YOUR MONEY
  EA DOWNLOADER WILL DEVOUR YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL
  - Helter Skelter
    
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    June 17, 2008 5:47 AM
    
    You'd think they'd want it on every digital distribution platform out there, considering that no matter what they'll be raking in a boatloads more cash through those avenues than through retail sales.
  - TastyWheat
    
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    June 17, 2008 5:47 AM
    
    I still think EA DOWNLOADER is a cunt. :P
    - geedeck
      
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      June 17, 2008 5:51 AM
      
      I've heard people having a lot of issues with it. I have no interest at all, especially given how nicely spoiled we are by Steam.
      - TastyWheat
        
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        June 17, 2008 5:53 AM
        
        My thoughts exactly. Steam just WORKS.
  - jbury
    
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    June 17, 2008 5:48 AM
    
    I've mentioned this before... I got Hellgate: London from the EA downloader service. However after a harddrive crash I don't have a copy of the game anymore and am not allowed to download another copy through EA.
    
    Basically I paid fullprice for a downloadable game, and now if I want to play it I need to download a pirated copy (and can then use my proper login details). Ridiculous, and I'll never use it again, how they can make decisions on things like this when Steam is out there amazes me
    - [deleted] 1271987451
      
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      June 17, 2008 6:06 AM
      
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      - DinK
        
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        June 17, 2008 6:17 AM
        
        Sounds like their design is terrible. Any service that doesn't let you re-download game files forever just isn't worth touching, considering the progress that's been made in that area.
      - jbury
        
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        June 17, 2008 6:30 AM
        
        Yep, it's just the way it works, you can't redownload games like you can with Steam
        
        shavenewok
        
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        June 17, 2008 6:50 AM
        
        you can for 6 months, unless you pay $6 when you purchase your game, then you can download it for 2 years
        
        festivalman
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:07 AM
        
        ^^^ This sums it up. After being a big fan of EA downloader, I'll never buy anything from it again. Their original service for BF2142 was awesome. Now I'm afraid to redo my machine because I'll effectively lose it.
    - riptyde
      
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      June 17, 2008 6:57 AM
      
      Yep. I downloaded BF2142 over EA Link, and after I got my new computer I am SOL because 1) EA Link no longer exists (and thus apparently my account no longer exists) and 2) they wouldn't let me re-download it anyways.
      - Modulus
        
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        June 17, 2008 6:58 AM
        
        and this is why I don't trust STEAM either
        
        hawkeye
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:01 AM
        
        If Steam fails at this point it means Valve has failed, and if Valve fails I don't want to play video games anymore.
        
        Modulus
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:12 AM
        
        it doesn't have to be now, it could be 5-10 years down the road.
        I don't like the idea of "buying" something, and then having my access to said product revoked because of the forced content distribution system goes down with the company.
        
        moshman
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:14 AM
        
        that's cool, in the meantime we will have fun playing their awesome games.
        
        dedgecko
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:18 AM
        
        No shit, modulus - Valve isn't going anywhere, and worse case scenario is that Steam gets spun off into it's own company and will survive on it's own anyways given how established they are. Valve has already shown that they don't fuck over their customers.
        
        Modulus
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:28 AM
        
        I just don't expect Steam to survive forever. I just consider it a bad investment buying something to which my use rights may be revoked someday.
        If I can, I'll buy physical media, but if Steam is the only option I'll still buy it.
        
        I not just concerned about Steam, but also games that use online activation. What happens when 2k no longer wants to support the online activation server for Bioshock? Am I suppose to go looking for CD cracks?
        I don't trust companies. Especially don't trust them to give a fuck about their customers when they are going out of business.
        
        electroly
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:45 AM
        
        I'm sure Valve wouldn't fuck over their customers, but if Valve is going out of business (which is what we're talking about here), they aren't going to have much of a choice. If a bank is liquidating their assets, they're going to have a hard time inking contracts with every single one of their game vendors so that their users can continue playing the games. It says right in the Steam EULA that they are under no obligation whatsoever to make it so you can play Steam games after Steam dies.
        
        hawkeye
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:34 AM
        
        I know what you mean, and generally I go the same way (especially with movies), but I trust Valve more than anyone else. Also: At some point any distribution medium fails. I can't play any of my old DOS games without a bit a work (I don't even have a floppy drive anymore). A large portion of current games will probably fail to play at some point without cracks for the anti-piracy checks.
        
        I don't think there's a perfect distribution medium yet. Steam is reliable, fast, and cheap. I'll go with it for now.
      - moshman
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:00 AM
        
        I think if you just use the EA downloader you can grab all your old games, and no way you are SOL because they will send you a boxed copy
        
        festivalman
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:08 AM
        
        unlike the old EA Link, EA Downloader doesn't know what you bought.
        
        moshman
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:10 AM
        
        I managed to get my BF2142 addon pack just fine. cunts
    - abrasion
      
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      June 17, 2008 7:39 AM
      
      Absoloute insanity, I can't help but condone piracy in your situation.
  - cause&effect
    
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    June 17, 2008 5:48 AM
    
    Trust the Computer! The Computer is your friend!
    
    I don't know why your post reminded me or Paranoia.. it's been a loooooong time
    - Fyunch Click
      
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      June 17, 2008 5:52 AM
      
      your clearance level has been reset to red. You are in an ultraviolet area. You will now be terminated. Have a nice day.
    - geedeck
      
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      June 17, 2008 5:54 AM
      
      Ooohh Paranoia. I wonder if an actual session would play well over the shack. It almost seems like it would.
      - cause&effect
        
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        June 17, 2008 5:56 AM
        
        Think you're right, the average shack humour isn't too dissimilar to Paranoia really.
        
        Fyunch Click
        
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        June 17, 2008 5:58 AM
        
        One might say the game is already being played: the mods are the Computer, the posters are members of secret societies and many claim that the computermods are random and evil, while loving and kind in a way.
  - 60days
    
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    June 17, 2008 6:14 AM
    
    PLEASE STAND AT THE TOP OF THE MICROTRANSACTION SLOPE
  - baron calamity
    
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    June 17, 2008 6:43 AM
    
    I would be happy if EA downloader just copied steam.
  - zehh
    
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    June 17, 2008 7:42 AM
    
    EA DOWNLOADER IS MADE OF PEOPLE
- Nitrium
  
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  June 17, 2008 5:57 AM
  
  What's the release date for the full version of the Content Creator - that 9.99 one?
  - jenisthebest
    
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    June 17, 2008 6:01 AM
    
    TOday!!!!!!
    - Nitrium
      
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      June 17, 2008 6:03 AM
      
      ORLY? I thought it was just the trial one. Thanks.
  - Nitrium
    
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    June 17, 2008 6:03 AM
    
    Gah I need to read better geedeck's morning posts :(
  - pyrogen
    
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    June 17, 2008 6:15 AM
    
    You can get it now from http://www.direct2drive.co.uk/4/6201/product/Buy-SPORE-Creature-Creator-UK-Download , but not from the US store or EA store yet.
  - riptyde
    
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    June 17, 2008 6:29 AM
    
    Why exactly do I have to pay an extra $10 to create a non-nerfed creature for the game I am going to pay $60 for?
    - Helter Skelter
      
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      June 17, 2008 6:39 AM
      
      I think I heard someone say that if you spend the $10 spent on the creature creator, that would be discounted from the cost of the final game once it comes out (at least through the EA downloader or whatever).
    - pandastrong
      
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      June 17, 2008 7:21 AM
      
      you don't. just wait the 3 months until spore comes out.
    - zehh
      
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      June 17, 2008 7:44 AM
      
      You don't; only if you want to play with it earlier.
      - riptyde
        
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        June 17, 2008 7:58 AM
        
        ah, ok, thanks.
- d fluke
  
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  June 17, 2008 6:02 AM
  
  Mass Effect first plzkthxggbye.
  - avatar_58
    
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    June 17, 2008 7:20 AM
    
    No, they chose their path now stick to it. I would be beyond annoyed at having to settle for this shitty copy protection only to see a steam release weeks later. That would be a big slap in the face.
    - geedeck
      
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      June 17, 2008 7:31 AM
      
      I will gladly take a slap to your face now, for a good game distribution system on Tuesday
- zerog83
  
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  June 17, 2008 6:27 AM
  
  If this available on Direct2Drive I'll get it from there.