Morning Discussion

March 18, 2008 6:30 AM

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Let's kick off the discussion of most all things great and small again, shall we? Yesterday saw quite a bit of news, with the announcement of Epic's Unreal catalog heading to Steam. That's pretty great, but it's like seeing an Olympic-sized pool and just staying in the shallow end. Where's Jill of the Jungle? Jazz? I think fairly relevant to Shackers would be news of the Puzzle Quest expansion for the XBL version, though I wonder if they'll try to do anything for those who bought it on other platforms. Also, the Audiosurfers in the house should pay heed to this free album, though to be fair I don't think the game is a requirement. Plus, ding/gratz to the big guy.

Jeff "geedeck" Gondek

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tomservo

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March 18, 2008 6:33 AM

I wanna go home and play Titan Quest :(
- afrochops
  
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  March 18, 2008 6:35 AM
  
  What are you doing at work already?
  - tomservo
    
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    March 18, 2008 6:37 AM
    
    7 - 330 shift. Which is awesome. Except I'm sleepy by 9pm hahaha
    - afrochops
      
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      March 18, 2008 6:41 AM
      
      Ah I worked that schedule once. It was pretty nice.
- NeoMoose
  
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  March 18, 2008 6:35 AM
  
  i'd rather go home and just take a nap.
- zerog83
  
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  March 18, 2008 6:48 AM
  
  So do I. I was hoping to make some progress last night but I ended up going to dinner and staying out far later than I had intended... This hangover is worth it.
- deject
  
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  March 18, 2008 7:10 AM
  
  what level are you tomservo? my brigand just attained level 18.
  - tomservo
    
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    March 18, 2008 7:19 AM
    
    I forget, it's been a few days since I've played, but I'm somewhere around 16 or 18 I think? I'm using Dream + Warfare for awesome justyce
    - jbury
      
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      March 18, 2008 7:23 AM
      
      How did you allocate your points? I'm wanting to be warfare/dream but haven't put any points into dream yet (I'm level 15).... I'm worried about dividing the points between them too early and gimping myself or something :/
      - buzzbat
        
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        March 18, 2008 7:36 AM
        
        Hell my Harbinger is level 40 and I haven't even switched or put points into dual wielding yet ;)
        
        You can always respec.
        
        omnova
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:35 AM
        
        How far through Act 4 (assuming) are you? I'd like some company while I whip some undead ass.
        
        zanzares
        
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        March 18, 2008 9:06 AM
        
        I am in Rhodes. :D
        
        buzzbat
        
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        March 18, 2008 2:11 PM
        
        I already whooped hades little normal ass.
      - tomservo
        
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        March 18, 2008 7:52 AM
        
        I've actually dumped much more points into Dream than Warfare. That Distortion Wave really fucks things up good. It's an awesome spell. I have it fully maxed now :D
        
        zerog83
        
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        March 18, 2008 7:57 AM
        
        I'm a big fan of maxed-out dream stealer. Lvl 22 and my max damage was 3200 :D
        
        jbury
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:01 AM
        
        interesting - I'm pretty much fully duel wield specced at the moment and have no problems killing stuff - I just like the idea of the AOE
    - zerog83
      
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      March 18, 2008 7:34 AM
      
      Harbinger! That's what I'm using as well; I'm Lvl 22
- Entity
  
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  March 18, 2008 7:35 AM
  
  I feel the same way about a little something called WoW
  
  KAEL MUST DIE.
- stonedonkey
  
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  March 18, 2008 7:43 AM
  
  Maybe one of you knows this, I been getting requests to update TitanCalc to handle +skills on various items.
  
  I'm not to sure how this works once you go over the max points for a skill for instance:
  
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/titanquest/skills/earthenchantment.php
  
  Max Skills for Earth Enchantment is: 1 Active Energy Cost/Second, 6.0 Meter Radius, +100% Fire Damage, 5-8 Fire Damage, +75 Energy Reserved
  
  The skill goes up 8% in Fire Damage each point, but I'm not sure the skill actually goes to +108% Fire Damage... so I'm curious if any of you know what it does...
  
  Does it cap the points once you hit max regardless of skill points, or does it recalculate above the max?
  - Legacy679
    
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    March 18, 2008 7:52 AM
    
    I'm pretty sure you can go above the maximum. For instance with the summon wolf spell with enough additional +nature, you could get 1 more wolf than the maxed out skill. Sorry don't remember the exact numbers though.
    - stonedonkey
      
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      March 18, 2008 8:11 AM
      
      Looks like +4 is the cap on going above any given skill.
      
      I'll have to open the AssetManager and dig through and get the values for EVERY skill in the game to do this.... interest is fading :(
      
      What's neat about that though is if you find an item that grants say +5 Skill in Warfare, you could take all your warfare skills and remove one point from max and still get the full benefit.. pretty nifty.
      
      I'll see how big a pain it'll be I guess... ug.
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  - stonedonkey
    
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    March 18, 2008 8:13 AM
    
    :) What's sad is I never even bought Immortal Throne, I think I may snag it off Steam and join the Shack hype :)
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      March 18, 2008 11:35 AM
      
      It was me, he replied to the wrong thread I think :P
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- MrGrindy
  
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  March 18, 2008 8:13 AM
  
  You are very late to the party. Finished the main game and the expansion years ago.
  - tomservo
    
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    March 18, 2008 8:26 AM
    
    oh oops
    - EvilDolemite
      
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      March 18, 2008 8:30 AM
      
      You can't play tom, because he played first
      - tomservo
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:33 AM
        
        I want to play The Witcher so bad :(
        It and Crysis are my motivation to build a new machine. Damnit.
        
        EvilDolemite
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:35 AM
        
        Both run hot and sticky on my computer which only cost $700 (minus case, PSU, hard drive, and DVD-RW). WItcher in particular gets really fucking good. I am about 30 hours in and have about 15-20 hours left. The game presents you with lots of tough choices and unlike most RPGs (where no matter your response NPCs treat you the same), you can really piss people off where you'll miss out on quests or gain other quests.
        
        tomservo
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:36 AM
        
        That's what attracts me to it mainly is the choices you make and how it effects things. Oh my god waaahhhhh. I'll build a new system this year, I am determined. And with my raise and a 2nd job on the way (primarily to get out of debt), it is SO on. :D
        
        MrGrindy
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:50 PM
        
        Dude, old to the party ... again.
    - Rauol Duke
      
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      March 18, 2008 8:39 AM
      
      You should uninstall it.
      - tomservo
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:40 AM
        
        Done :(
        
        Sexpansion Pack
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:53 AM
        
        And be fucking happy about it
        
        tomservo
        
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        March 18, 2008 8:59 AM
        
        :}
        
        Sexpansion Pack
        
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        March 18, 2008 9:08 AM
        
        There we go!
  - royalally
    
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    March 18, 2008 9:53 AM
    
    LOL Lurkowned
    - ihya
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:52 PM
      
      Bitch owned his ass!
- okellyc
  
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  March 18, 2008 10:12 AM
  
  For all you TQ fans that have a melee or ranged class the following items is what you need
  
  Rings 2 of these: http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=728
  
  Chest:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=8
  Head:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=183
  Legs:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=281
  Hands:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=380
  Neck:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=797
  
  Weapons:
  Bow : http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=1418
  Maces x2:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=1518
  
  Sheild:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=1529
  
  Arftifact:
  http://www.gamebanshee.com/cgi-bin/search/banshee_search.pl?_layout=TitanQuest_Items_Page&_cgifunction=search&TitanQuest_Items.id=710
  
  With this gear you should have an Avg DPS of 12176 in melee and up to 21000 with onslaught at max
  with ranged you should have Avg DPS of 5664 would be much higher if you are hunter spec (im warfair)
  
  Dont worry about the +skills to talents you dont have, the gear listed has the most +damage and +attack speed you can get to max out your toon
  
  repost from last night
  - omnova
    
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    March 18, 2008 10:30 AM
    
    It's a shame that most people are not going to find much or any of that without significant farming, an probably well after they've completed the game. At that point, why bother?
    - okellyc
      
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      March 18, 2008 10:37 AM
      
      i got most of the stuff in about 2-3days by just making new online games called...Trading Need *item name, theres no way your gonna clear Legendary with any more then 2 people with out good gear like that
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- bipolar
  
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  March 18, 2008 11:04 AM
  
  I'm late to the party I guess but anyone up for starting new characters tonight? Think I have to uninstall. Non-Steam TQers can play with Steam TQers, yes?
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    - bipolar
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:01 PM
      
      Bah, can find my IT disc but not the original TQ disc(s?). Debating whether or not just to repurchase on Steam.
- zerog83
  
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  March 18, 2008 11:08 AM
  
  Who's playing TQ tonight? We should get a game going. And does anyone have any decent swords a lvl 22 Harbinger (warfare/dream) can use?
  - pancake humper
    
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    March 18, 2008 1:34 PM
    
    I have an extra Soul Carver or 2 left over that suited me fine until 26-27 or so.
    - zerog83
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:37 PM
      
      you gonna be playing in the shack hardcore game tonight?
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        March 18, 2008 3:34 PM
        
        what is that?
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  - zerog83
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:36 AM
    
    I'll be joining tonight! What time will you start playing?
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  - dionex
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:42 AM
    
    I'll check if I have any armor/bows that you could use. What's your strength and dex right now?
    
    Also, my ranger's wolves also got owned past Egypt but they scale with difficulty. I'm playing Epic right now and the wolves survive just fine. At any rate I'm only really using them for the Strength of the Pack skill.
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        March 18, 2008 11:57 AM
        
        I don't rely on the wolves themselves to do damage. They are more for meatshielding but at least they don't die so fast in epic. I only have enough points in them to summon 2 at once. They will cast "Strength of the Pack" which maxed out adds +68% damage and +15% total speed.
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    March 18, 2008 12:19 PM
    
    Tip:
    Cast : Briar Ward, takes time for the enemys to get to you and due to your range and damage as a Ranger you should have no problem killing stuff
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        March 18, 2008 2:00 PM
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9_FzPkzOeE
        
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  - bipolar
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:31 AM
    
    they've had similar job postings off and on for 3+ years now. In fact, they had one almost word-for-word the same about 18 months ago.
  - Blucklesworth
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:58 AM
    
    Do you really think they aren't working on Diablo III? They aren't stupid.
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      - riptyde
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:50 PM
        
        They're like google. They don't necessarily come up with a lot of new stuff, but they are good at taking existing things and doing them a lot better than anyone else.
    - Horn
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:47 PM
      
      I almost wish they weren't. I'd love to see something new from blizzard.
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- NeoMoose
  
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  March 18, 2008 1:34 PM
  
  Does Titan Quest randomly generate the world???
  - EvilDolemite
    
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    March 18, 2008 1:35 PM
    
    No, just the loot
  - electroly
    
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    March 18, 2008 1:36 PM
    
    No, there is nothing randomly generated in TQ besides the loot, as far as I know.
    - NeoMoose
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:40 PM
      
      do the monsters at least respawn so you can grind?
      - EvilDolemite
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:41 PM
        
        Why would you want to grind?
        
        NeoMoose
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:43 PM
        
        thanks for answering the question with another question.
        
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        zerog83
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:49 PM
        
        Not to mention the vast storage space in the caravan, and the multiple "back packs" your character can have. You can really hold on to a lot of shit :D
      - electroly
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:46 PM
        
        Nope. Zero respawn. If you beat the game in one go, there will be no monsters left when you run back.
        
        electroly
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:47 PM
        
        (Note that you level up so superhumanly fast that there really isn't much need to grind.)
        
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        stonedonkey
        
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        March 18, 2008 2:23 PM
        
        You can do bosses, kill boss.. save game, reload game.. as long as you don't move on to the next fountain you can farm them.
        
        riptyde
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:51 PM
        
        I like it. It's nice to know that if I clean out a dungeon, it stays cleaned out.
        
        deject
        
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        March 18, 2008 1:59 PM
        
        not true, there is occasionally a respawning enemy or two, but it's really rare. like pretty much nonexistent but it is in there.
        
        electroly
        
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        March 18, 2008 3:54 PM
        
        I dunno... are you sure one didn't just walk on from offscreen? I played it all the way through and didn't see any respawned monsters.
        
        deject
        
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        March 18, 2008 4:08 PM
        
        Nah, it's happened in a cave and such. There's nowhere for the monsters to have come from.
        
        Maybe they spawned in from S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
        
        buzzbat
        
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        March 18, 2008 4:09 PM
        
        They were glitched behind the wall or at the bottom of a hole then they unglitch as the cave is reloaded again
      - derelict515
        
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        March 18, 2008 2:05 PM
        
        they don't respawn in Diablo 2 either. You just start a new game and all the monsters will have respawned.
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    - NeoMoose
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:46 PM
      
      BUT do monsters repopulate like they do in diablo 2 so you can go grind for awesome l00tz?
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    - zerog83
      
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      March 18, 2008 1:48 PM
      
      It's almost the exact opposite in TQ; The art styling in the overworld is stunning; it's a fantastic looking game. The dungeons, however... I think they should be the randomly generated levels. that would be more than enough for me.
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        dooberzoo
        
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        March 18, 2008 3:20 PM
        
        That would be a good mix actually. A highly detailed and interesting above-ground but all those little caves and tombs could be randomly generated - they become a little tedious after a half dozen times right now.
- Nixx2004
  
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  March 18, 2008 2:20 PM
  
  Well I just went and picked it up. $20 for the Gold DVD edition is good, and I like these kinds of games.
  
  Installed it, downloading patch now.
  - Nixx2004
    
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    March 18, 2008 2:38 PM
    
    This is pretty cool. :)
    - Nixx2004
      
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      March 18, 2008 2:40 PM
      
      Is there any free healing in town or do you just have to wait for it to regen?
      - theWhite
        
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        March 18, 2008 2:48 PM
        
        potions are your friend :)
        
        Nixx2004
        
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        March 18, 2008 2:52 PM
        
        Well yea, of course. Still a poor level 1 though heh.
        
        buzzbat
        
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        March 18, 2008 3:00 PM
        
        it takes like 5 kills to reach level 2... quit shacking for 30 seconds and go for it!
        
        Nixx2004
        
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        March 18, 2008 3:02 PM
        
        Killed 25 things and still level 1, am I doing something wrong or that just hyperbole? Heh.
        
        Getting close to 2.
        
        Nixx2004
        
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        March 18, 2008 3:06 PM
        
        Shit, now to choose a class...choices choices.
        
        riptyde
        
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        March 18, 2008 4:43 PM
        
        That goes away real quick. Pick up everything that enemies drop (hint:, if you hold the ALT key, the names of every non sucky (ie not rusty/cracked/etc) will come up and you can just take those). When you are full, press L to create a portal and head back to town, sell your shit, and teleport back to where you were before.
        
        By level 5 you'll be able to buy mad stacks of potions and not worry about the cost.
        
        Nixx2004
        
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        March 18, 2008 4:47 PM
        
        Yea. Level 4 and I have almost 10K gold. Fun game.
      - naabster
        
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        March 18, 2008 2:52 PM
        
        there are no free things in life
- Ajax
  
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  March 18, 2008 2:22 PM
  
  I want to go home and run more Warsong Gulch. :(
  - stonedonkey
    
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    March 18, 2008 2:24 PM
    
    EoTs yields more honor per :P
    - Ajax
      
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      March 18, 2008 3:48 PM
      
      Oh, I know. I just need the tokens now is all.
  - tomservo
    
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    March 18, 2008 3:51 PM
    
    lol I SWEAR IMA STOP PLAYING
    - Ajax
      
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      March 18, 2008 3:54 PM
      
      I was going to wait for the patch, but I got impatient. :( Also I need to run Black Morass with my Paladin so I can get the honor to pick up the rare PvP gear.
      - tomservo
        
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        March 18, 2008 3:57 PM
        
        I don't know what you just said sir but you are not getting chicks
        
        Ajax
        
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        :(
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- Vash108
  
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  March 18, 2008 3:40 PM
  
  I have a Temp gaming going right now if you want to join and get a little XP before we join the regular game. I need to play catchup a little.
  Game name ShackTQ pw: shack
  - Nixx2004
    
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    March 18, 2008 3:47 PM
    
    What level are you? I just hit 3 heh.
- Vash108
  
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  March 18, 2008 3:51 PM
  
  Or are we not continuing from last night?
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- capt tripps
  
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  March 18, 2008 4:05 PM
  
  I've been feeling the same way about Paper Mario (and naps).
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    March 18, 2008 5:49 PM
    
    uh. game just crashed.. well im going to bed
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- drucifer
  
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  March 18, 2008 5:24 PM
  
  Titty Quest
- whistletits
  
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  March 18, 2008 5:27 PM
  
  i must do some school work first
- Supine
  
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  March 18, 2008 5:59 PM
  
  I would have bought it but the demo doesn't work.
  
  Turns out Titan Quest doesn't support integrated graphics! wtf.
  - derelict515
    
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    March 18, 2008 6:00 PM
    
    I don't think that issue is isolated to TQ, more like the large percentage of modern games
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- Nighteyes
  
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  March 18, 2008 9:01 PM
  
  Me too :( Hopefully I can play while the lady cooks :D
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  - Nighteyes
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:01 PM
    
    In videos I have seen, people always just move.
    - Nighteyes
      
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      March 18, 2008 11:03 PM
      
      Also, your DPS is only 211? My 26 harbringer is around 310. Is there something else missing that makes you do more damage that isnt reported by the DPS calc?
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        March 18, 2008 11:07 PM
        
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        Nighteyes
        
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        March 18, 2008 11:17 PM
        
        I am a harbringer, thats hunting and dream. Being melee may be what gives me the DPS advantage since I need shit dead as soon as its in range while you can peck away before they get to you.
        
        Nighteyes
        
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        March 18, 2008 11:18 PM
        
        Uh, what the hell. Harbringer = Warfare and Dream
        
        Geez I can't think straight.
        
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        March 18, 2008 11:31 PM
        
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    March 18, 2008 11:09 PM
    
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  - omnova
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:11 PM
    
    You do not resist the meteors. You run. They will kill you.
    
    Also, do you have Art of the Hunt maxed out? That will boost your damage output. Fill up the Marksman line and Volley and you'll see a substantial difference in killing power. You should be able to squeeze out about 250-300 DPS with that bow along with good skills and decent equipment.
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  - derelict515
    
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    March 18, 2008 11:33 PM
    
    running him for loot is not worth it at all. Bosses don't drop loot like D2 ones. Just move on, especially in hardcore.