Morning Discussion
Title updates, system updates and blogs oh my! Also, contest results from Shackers writing stories. I'd stay longer, maybe get a cup of coffee, but finals await.
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replyThe new Live update rocks!
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Question on the divx update, does this mean it can play divx files that are burned to a dvd?
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Hell yes! I had a kick ass dvd player that played divx files and then one day it died. So this makes me very happy!
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They probably have to be encoded to a certain standard [mpeg 4 simple/advanced profile, I never learned all the details] , I'd assume a few videos made not to normal specs won't play
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I like the Market place news thingy -- the streaming video was very cool. I'm surprised Microsoft hasn't "hipped up" Larry Nelson yet... (like J Allard) He looks too much like someone's Dad
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I misread your question, but there is no defacto standard for lossless because no one gives a shit.
95% of people are perfectly happy with MP3, that's why it's the defacto standard. I don't care of OGG can do the same filesize with better quality, everyone already has MP3 and there are tons of devices that can play an MP3, hence it being a defacto standard.
DIVX is much the same as tons of DVD players will play DIVX files burned to CDs/DVDs. Guess what, again, people are happy with it because it looks good for the most part and its quick to download. If you want higher quality there is really no beating an actual optical media.
People don't care about OGG or FLAC no matter how much better it is.-
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Head-fi.org may have tons of members. When I refer to 95% I'm talking 95% of mass-market consumers. The people who buy iPods. The people who buy Zunes. The people who buy every other MP3 player in the world.
Those people made MP3 the defacto audio codec.
I'm not arguing FLAC/OGG are not better, it's just no one cares at this point.-
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You're kidding right?
yeah totally its not like HD space is up to 1TB drive sizes now lol, this isn't 2010. Maybe one day we can buy 500-750GB HDs for less than $200... only in our dreams right? I mean it's not like there is a huge demand for High Definitiion video lawlz, that stuff is MASSIVE, it will never fit.
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you guys are pretty clueless heh. FLAC is the standard lossless format, and has been so for years. It's used by a ton of people, and I'm pretty sure some big name online music stores use .flac. There are 4 or so mp3 players out there that support FLAC.
FLAC is not something thats trying to replace mp3. It's completely different.-
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Yea, FLAC is great. But if it's not meant to replace MP3, why do people always complain when an MP3 device or something else does not support FLAC? I'm not arguing, it's awesome for high quality sound files. I will argue that most consumers couldn't give a rats-ass about a high quality sound file. They are perfectly happy with MP3.
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problem you need to understand why flac exists in the first place. Mp3s = COMPRESSED MUSIC, audio quality is lost during encoding. Not a ton, but some is lost. Generally the only way to tell is to use high quality headphones/speakers and DAC.
CDs use .wav, but wave is massive. FLAC is the bridge between the 2, it lowers the size a bit, but does not mess with the audio, thus it is LOSSLESS. Mp3s = lossy.-
I don't think you see that I'm not arguing you on this point. I think the concept you fail to grasp is that consumers in general don't care. FLAC may be better, but they are happy with MP3. That's the same reason OGG has failed to gain mainstream acceptance. The ONLY reason AAC got into the game is because it's what iTunes defaults to. While it is technically better than MP3 as far as lossy codecs, it wouldn't have gained the use it has without iTunes defaulting to that format.
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still laughing at this! http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=15706726
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You think that more than 1 in 100 XBOX 360 owners is going to use their 360 to play FLAC files? I'm willing to bet that less than 1 in 100 360 owners has ever even heard of a FLAC file, let alone has a sound system that warrants using a lossless format.
We get that you have a huge boner for FLAC, but don't let that over inflate your sense of how popular it is.-
you have a huge stick up your ass as well. What were you planning to accomplish here? Are you like, Mr. Anti-FLAC to the rescue? I don't get it, why are you posting in this sub thread?
You might inform yourself about a subject before trying to bash people for endorsing it first. One thing you might want to know, is that MS has already added support many other codecs that hardly anyone uses. Go bash them.
Also go bash hardware manufacterer's like Apple, MS (again), Archos, Creative, Cowon, amongst many others, for adding FLAC and/or support for a Lossless format codec.
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I don't think they're against it so much as saying it's highly unlikely. Even if you had 25% of the xbox user base using flac as a format, it's unlikely they'd put it in officially unless there was more like a 90% demand. Certainly not when they have their own competing format. the fact that they put in xvid support in the first place is pretty amazing and it's just a testament to how many users there are for the format.
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did FLAC eat your guys' babies or something? FFS. Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec
Go down to the hardware mp3 FLAC supported devices, then sent hate mail to the companies that designed hardware with native FLAC support.
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No they are just saying it's not worth the price of development to add FLAC support. I have all bootlegs that I collect in either FLAC of SHN, but I've yet to hear a difference between that and a high variable MP3 bitrate pool of say between 160kbps and 384 kbps. When I want to put a live show on my MP3 player I have to compress them.
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I don't hate any company for supporting it. I do see why some companies don't think it's worthwhile. The 360 has to pick and chose due to space limitations of the dashboard software itself. I'm sure they could have easily added this support, but I'm willing to bet little to no people were asking for it. Tons of people asked for DivX support, and it was added.
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This is one of the reasons I use WMA-Lossless instead of FLAC. So many more things support it. As much as I like the idea of open standards, they're only as good as the support for them.
I don't actually play music on my 360 very often but WMAL works in a bunch of places that I do care about where FLAC, sadly, doesn't. e.g. I can drop WMAL on iTunes to convert to AAC or ALAC (as a bonus, with cover-art and tags in-tact).
It is a fucking shame that neither Microsoft nor Apple support FLAC and instead felt the need to re-invent the wheel with arguably worse formats (ALAC's compression is consistently worse than WMAL and FLAC, and I think FLAC tends to beat WMAL although it's very close) but they both want to control everything or have "not invented here syndrome" or something. :( Or maybe it's to do with DRM? I just wish they'd support FLAC, or at least both support a lossless format other than WAV so I don't have to store two lossless copies of things if I want to listen to lossless music on both my computer and my portable player. :-(
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One thing that kills me is that crazy price for the 120gb HD. I have my stock 20gb drive and its only got 5gb or so free. Each new (old) XBox game is 1.2 gb or so so you are forced to get the new drive at some point if you want to download movies etc.
So if MS's DRM is tied to the console itself and NOT the profile/HD, why dont they allow stuff to be stored on external drives? -
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wmp11 makes me cry. i've been able to avoid being forced to use it since its inception
this thing is garbage :(-
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i dislike that it's adding all my porn even though i explicitly told it NOT TO
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