Evening Reading
Lastly, here's your iPhone explosion on the market article. I heard it came out today. Oh and if you're a moron like me who bought the first gen product, here is your regret article.
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Official iPhone Thread
I figure we might as well get this under wraps for this new chat thread. So what's up with the iPhone, you guys? Is is good or is it whack?
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Ok here is the plans. Not bad I guess.
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/specials/iPhone.jsp
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QUESTION:
Business customers: Problems activating your iPhone?
ANSWER:
iPhone is only available to qualified Individual Responsibility Users (IRUs). An IRU is an employee who subscribes to service individually (with a 2-year service agreement and eligible plan) and assumes financial responsibility for his/her wireless account, but whose account is “attached†to his/her employer’s Foundation Account Number (FAN) in order to receive certain benefits (such as specialized business customer service). NOTE: iPhone and associated wireless service are not eligible for corporate service or equipment discounts. IRUs who activate an iPhone will lose any corporate discounts they have been receiving. If an IRU switches from an iPhone to another device, such IRU will have to cancel service to his or her iPhone and activate a new line of service with a new wireless number in order to receive any service discounts for which he or she then qualifies.
iPhone requires subscription to eligible Voice Service and Wireless Data Service. Customer’s IRUs (a) must have an eligible Voice Service Plan with a minimum Monthly Service Charge of $39.99 (or an AT&T Family Talk “Add-a-Line†Plan with a Monthly Service Charge of $9.99), and (b) must have an iPhone Data Plan with a minimum Monthly Service Charge of $20.00.* NOTE: iPhone is not compatible with any other data plans from AT&T. iPhone offers access to many of today's most popular email services including most IMAP and POP3 services. Note that access to corporate email via IMAP may require a user's IT department to change settings on the server and firewall. iPhone does not support enterprise e-mail solutions such as BlackBerry Enterprise Server, Good Mobile Messaging or Microsoft Direct Push. Customers who activate an iPhone will automatically lose their international roaming capabilities or revert to pay-per-use rates for international roaming. Customers interested in having international roaming capability will need to contact AT&T at 1-800-331-0500 to assist them in selecting the international roaming solution that best fits their needs.
*2-year agreement required. Additional charges, terms and conditions apply - see applicable plan brochure for details.
As noted in the Pre-Purchase Understanding, iPhone is not available to Individual Responsibility Users participating in Split Liability Billing (SLB subscriber) or Corporate Responsibility Users (CRUs) due to the unique CRU and SLB processes, billing arrangements and specialized offers that are not currently supported for iPhone.
If you are a CRU, or other corporate liable user or an SLB subscriber and are attempting to activate an iPhone, the information below outlines your current options, including the iPhone Return Policy.
CRUs
You are considered a CRU or other corporate liable user if your wireless service is intended primarily for business use and your company is the financially responsible party, whether or not you pay the wireless invoice.
Option 1:
Sign up for a new consumer line of service with a new phone number to use with your iPhone. Your existing CRU or other corporate liable user line of service and wireless phone number remain unchanged under the CRU or other corporate liable user account and you can continue to use them with your NON-iPhone device.
1) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone for activating the device as a new AT&T subscriber and establish a new consumer line of service with a new phone number. Keep in mind this new line of service will be under a new personal account in your name, and you will be subject to a personal credit check.
2) After the iPhone is active, attach your new phone number to your employer’s IRU FAN at www.att.com/wirelessdiscounts or by visiting an AT&T retail store. By attaching your phone number to your employer’s FAN, you’ll be able to access specialized business customer service with respect to your new phone number. However, because the new line of service and phone number are used with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts with respect to the new line of service/phone number.
Option 2:
Transfer your existing line of service from corporate responsibility to individual responsibility status so that you can use your existing phone number with your iPhone.
1) To initiate the service transfer process, check with your company’s wireless account manager to determine if you have permission to make this change to the CRU account. If you do not have permission, your company’s authorized representative will need to call 1-800-999-5445 Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. - 8:30 p.m. EST to authorize your service to be transferred from corporate liability to your personal liability. Once your company’s authorized representative approves the transfer, he or she will provide you with the company’s IRU FAN, and the AT&T customer service representative will place a note on your CRU account validating that company authorization was provided. Important: You will not be able to proceed with the service transfer until approval has been provided by an authorized representative of your company.
2) Following your company’s approval of the service transfer, please call 1-888-444-4410 Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. EST with your company’s IRU FAN on hand to request that your line of service and phone number be transferred to a new account in your name. At this time you will be subject to a personal credit check and will be required to agree to a wireless service agreement with an eligible plan. At the end of the transfer process, you will no longer be a CRU and your company will not be financially responsible for your account – you will be an IRU with personal responsibility for your own account and bill payment. You will be able to use your existing phone number with your iPhone.
3) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone and activate the device as an existing AT&T subscriber. NOTE: As an IRU with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts available through your employer’s business agreement with AT&T.
SLB Subscribers
An SLB subscriber is an IRU whose employer is financially responsible for part, but not all, of the IRU’s wireless service. Specifically, the employer is financially responsible for data charges, but the IRU is financially responsible for voice charges.
Option 1:
Sign up for a new consumer line of service with a new phone number. Your existing SLB-enrolled line of service and wireless phone number remain unchanged under your IRU account and you can continue to associate them with a NON-iPhone device.
1) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone for activating the device as a new AT&T subscriber and establish a new consumer line of service with a new phone number. Keep in mind this new line of service will be separate from your IRU account in your name, however, after successful activation of your iPhone, you can call Business Customer Services to have your individual accounts consolidated into one account. Keep in mind you will be subject to a personal credit check for the new line of service. Also, because the new line of service and phone number are used with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts with respect to the new line of service/phone number.
Option 2:
De-enroll your existing line of service and phone number from the Split Liability Billing program so that you can use them with your iPhone.
1) To initiate a de-enrollment from Split Liability Billing, you will need to call 1-800-214-0825 Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. EST and request to be de-enrolled from the program and to personally assume full financial responsibility for your account. You will be required to change your current data plan to a plan that is compatible with iPhone. At the end of the de-enrollment process, you will still have your existing service and phone number and you will still have an IRU account that is attached to your employer’s IRU FAN, but you will now be personally responsible for paying *all* amounts incurred under your account, including all voice and data service charges.
2) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone to activate the device as an existing AT&T subscriber. NOTE: As an IRU with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts available through your employer’s business agreement with AT&T
iPhone International Offers:
Customers who activate an iPhone will automatically lose their international roaming capabilities or revert to pay-per-use rates for international roaming. If you are interested in AT&T’s international roaming packages, please call AT&T at 1- 800-331-0500 after activating your iPhone. You can add basic pay-per-use international data roaming, or you can add the new iPhone International data feature, which offers 20 MB of international data usage in select countries, for an additional charge of $24.99 per month.*
Customers calling from outside of the domestic United States inquiring about international features should dial 916-843-4685.
*Additional charges, terms and conditions apply. See feature brochure for details.
iPhone Return Policy:
You must return your iPhone to the channel where it was purchased within 14 days from the date of purchase on your receipt for a full refund. For example, iPhone purchased in Apple retail stores must be returned to an Apple retail store. Customers who purchase from Apple online will find instructions on how to return the device on www.apple.com . If the device packaging is opened a 10% re-stocking fee will be withheld from the refund.
Still have questions?
* iPhone Availability/Eligibility: If you have additional questions about iPhone availability, please contact your sales representative or call 1-866-Mobility twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, for dedicated support.
* CRU iPhone Activation Support: Call 1-866-907-3484 seven days a week 7:00 a.m. – 1:00 a.m. EST for dedicated support.
If you are viewing information on devices or services, please note: content reflects instructions for devices and services purchased from AT&T.
Some differences may exist for devices not purchased from AT&T.
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TL:DR Basically I can use it, but I have to pay for it. And my company is not liable for the bill at all.
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Engadget have this great Newton comparison pic http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/29/how-far-weve-come/
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arrived at the ATT store at 5:50, was about 35th in line or so, and got a 4gig model (couldnt afford the 8gig, but didnt really care)
it really is a slick product, and thats from me playing with it at the unlock screen and the in store model. I've never seen a portable device anything like this. wow. The industrial design on this thing is... well... apple.
i currently have a Go-Phone (pre-paid) ATT account, and I asked the guy at the counter if when i activated my iphone if i could port that phone number over (since they are the same freakin company, wtf?) and he said "no, its a totally different system", which prolly means "i have no clue, i just read the sheets they send me". anyone know anything about this?
the screen has a slight case of the "smudgies", and im scared im gonna drop it -- they didnt seem to offer any sort of insurance on this thing, whats my best option there?
we web browser is freaking amazing. I believe this thing will reshape the cell phone market and force the other guys to make a decent phone. I couldnt afford this thing, as I'll be eating bread and water for a month, but hey, i can read the shack anywhere, now, right? -
Getting an iPhone was ridiculously easy.
Today I went to The Grove, a big outdoor mall in Los Angeles adjacent to the old Farmer's Market, to go see Die Hard 4 there. The biggest Apple store in LA is here so I checked out the huge line that had formed with no intention of getting an iPhone. The first person in line got there at 4am. Several hundred people back from him 9am-10am arrivals. The line snaked out of the Grove and out onto 3rd Street around the outside of it. This was at 4pm and it was hot outside. So yeah, pretty huge line.
I got out of the movie at 7pm. The line at that point looked surprisingly managable. I asked the person at the front how long he had waited for, he said only 20 minutes. I wasn't planning on buying one but I figured what the hell. From when I got in line to when I paid for two iPhones was only 15 minutes. They cranked people through that line so fast, selling you accessories and stuff while you waited. Really nice.
I feel bad for the person who had waited fourteen hours for one when it took me only fifteen minutes. Either way (and I realize that this is a flagship store that probably had thousands of iPhones), this was stupidly painless for a hyped gadget launch. Considering the waiting I have done for game consoles this was cake. It ran like clockwork, and I hope that Nintendo and other companies that have similar big launches take notice.-
the ATT store wasnt too bad, but they did only let like 3 people at a time in the store, and then i think they had to explain the iphone to them , which i thought was odd since if they knew the date it was released and waited in line for it, they prolly knew wtf it was... lol
the whole "sealed bag" thing was weird, and i asked the register guy about that, and he said that apple's stores required that of all their sales (why? I dont know.. any ideas there? just a weird jobs thing?) and I joked that apple was calling the shots now at ATT and he didnt seem to like that comment.
not too bad though, I talked to a guy in line for 30 minutes who was driving back to chicago from his FLA vacation and decided to try and get one. we talked programming, etc... fun times. -
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In his WSJ review, Walt Mossberg wanted to throw the iPhone at the wall after three days because of the keyboard, then finally got used to it and loved it after five days. I'm curious to see how this plays out for everyone. The keyboard video on the Apple website does make it seem pretty good at prediction, correcting errors, etc.
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shitty iPhone Pics
Some size comparisons with my old RAZR:
http://nyranger66.shackspace.com/iphone%20pics/IMG_1795.jpg
http://nyranger66.shackspace.com/iphone%20pics/IMG_1796.jpg
And here's how the Shack comments look:
regular:
http://nyranger66.shackspace.com/iphone%20pics/IMG_1800.jpg
widescreen:
http://nyranger66.shackspace.com/iphone%20pics/IMG_1801.jpg
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iPhone pics and Shack rendering
Here are some nice pics for you guys...
http://www.yaoguy.com/i.jpg
http://www.yaoguy.com/i2.jpg
http://www.yaoguy.com/i3.jpg
http://www.whatisitgoodfor.net/iphone/i4.jpg
http://www.whatisitgoodfor.net/iphone/i5.jpg
http://www.whatisitgoodfor.net/iphone/i6.jpg
http://www.whatisitgoodfor.net/iphone/i7.jpg
http://www.whatisitgoodfor.net/iphone/i8.jpg-
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Yeah, I made shackenposten about the 120MB for £7.50 thing
the painful part is, that's amongst the better deals available here.
that said, the basic iphone plan is what... $59.99 (+ tax?) which is £29.86/month
I'm paying £29.99 to vodafone now, and I'm not getting unlimited mobile to mobile, nor unlimited data
I do have that whole 'stop the clock' thing and 500 texts going on though. -
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Could be worse, could be with Orange, they charge £8 for 30mb!!!!!! LOL
In recent weeks I've been tempted to switch from Vodafone to Three, they offer data for £5 a month, with fair usage that kicks in at 1024mb. T-mobile would be nicer but their contract prices start pretty high, especially if you don't want a shitty phone.
I also read that Apple don't want the iPhone price to be subsidised by the networks in Europe, so it'll be just as expensive here (who am I kidding, this is Apple we're talking about, it'll be more expensive) as it is in the US.
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Hahah!!! I just read that there is a minimun charge of $60 a month. And I thought $500 was already too much.. BWAHAH! thats pretty damn funny considering its totally not worth it. At least I don't think so. Maybe my opinion will change... Once the price comes down.. hahah! Rediculous..
It better surf the web, have the greatest reception ever, make waffles, and comb my hair with ease for that price.
And to think that some of those moneypants bought 2 of them. Wow... -
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i thought they announced this. that's the whole reason i drove 20 minutes to the apple store. They had a line still when I got there at 7:30 and had these nerds in black teeshirts funneling people in the store. i was in an out in 5 minutes ! here i was afraid i wouldn't be able to get one cause of the lines of people camping out :)
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this guy beat it about a bit - http://www.pcworld.com/video/id,545-page,1-bid,0/video.html
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This might do the trick. Something that popped up on my RSS reader: http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2463/iphone_how_to_delete_email
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I know man. A lot of people are balking at the price but once you actually get into the phone and see how everything is laid out you cannot appreciate it. Setting up voicemail was amazing. No voice prompts, didn't have to call any numbers, all onscreen and it took 2 seconds. Everything is right about this little machine!
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Top 10 Apps for iPhone
http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-iphone-applications-273407.php
There is even an app that has AIM support. Meebo seems to not be working properly or something. -
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My Thougts
I played around with the various features on my wife's phone for a bit this morning. The UI is slick as hell. The camera's image quality is complete shit. EDGE connection is slower than a 14.4 BPS modem. Other than those two things I think this phone was totally worth it.
One note of caution though. My wife is a contractor who switched contracts a few months back and she has never had AT&T service. They wanted a $500 deposit on the phone. So grand total it cost us $1100 to get it. We get the deposit back after a year, but that was kinda bullshit considering we make over $150k a year combined and have excellent credit.
If I would have been thinking we would have ran it under my name to see if it came back with out the deposit.. but the store was packed and we wanted to get out of there. -
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after 1 hour of just goofing off with my new iphone, i realized i had not opened my laptop, and... wasnt really that worried about it. The web on the iphone is amazing, not perfect (some rendering effects, etc) but wow... people who care nothing about gadgets automatically recognize how much of a shift this thing is.
whats the deal with flash video and safari, though? is it nerfed on the iphone? -
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Wow, so this thing is like invincible.
http://www.pcworld.com/video/id,545-page,1-bid,0/video.html
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Scratch Test: When the iPhone emerged with its screen just as pristine as when it went in, we then attempted to gouge the screen with one of the keys. We were very impressed that even this deliberate attempt to scratch the screen completely failed.
Drop Test: The iPhone not only continue to work after each drop test, impressively it still looked good as well. The only obvious damage suffered was a few gouges along its metal edge from the concrete drops. But it came out without a scratch on its glass screen, despite our best efforts to mar it in repeated tests of both types.
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hell, when i sat here for a while and surfed the web, and then realized i hadnt opened my laptop, all of the sudden my old phone AND my laptop seemed dated.
I've never owned an apple product, never had an ipod, so im in no way an apple fanboy, but the design on this thing seems like something you would see in a movie ... wow.
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uh you can dload it here http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-iphone-applications-273407.php
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So how well does the iphone work as a portable hard drive? Right now I can plug my current 4 gig SE phone into a PC and it just shows up as a drive and I can drag and drop whatever I want on there just like it is a HD including music. Im sure iphone forces I tunes for music but can you drop other files on there without having to install any software on the PC or does it needs some app to drag files around?
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maybe i dont want the stocks button on the home screen, ti's something i'd never use. I'm not asking it to make the other larger..
I like to re-arrange icons to my liking, it's a pet peeve. And also if i can get rid of one, it would leave room for possibly adding a shortcut to other apps I might use down the road when web-apps start to flourish on this thing..
calm down man, just a simple question..
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You should watch this it goes over pretty much all the options.
http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour_large.html
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im sitting in my favorite pizza joint, just doing some coding, and just about everyone in the place has stopped me to check out the iPhone... its sorta crazy. this guy on the street stopped his whole family so they could check it out. i showed him a quick demo and he goes "you sold me, im getting one" and i was like "er.. ok.. lol"
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Seriously, I hate you guys. All this love is seriously making me want one now, even though it's on my most hated carrier ever. It's so hard not to go down to the Apple store and toss one on the old credit card. Especially since their online checker shows all stores in CA still have them in stock.
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Well I had Cingular for 4-5 months a few years ago and it was so bad I broke contract and switched to Verizon. I've heard enough people say they're happy with them though to make me think that maybe it was just the Treo's I was trying that had issues. I refused to pay the ETF though so I'm curious if they'd even let me get get an account again haha.
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I posted pictures in this thread. It has a couple shots of the shack rendering, no comments pics though.
http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?id=14676045
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AAPL didn't skyrocket when the ipod launched. Hell APPL was at 20 bucks when the ipod launched. Give it time man, it'll pay off :) When I saw the masses of people playing with it at the apple store here, and more importantly when I got my hands on the iphone, I realized that this is as revoluationary as the ipod was, and it will show in time.
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Base it on performance, not events. Come January, anyone holding Apple will be very happy. I've said it many times but people should be buying Jan 08 call options on AAPL. Risky, sure, but I think it is fair. My $125 calls will be worth double if AAPL hits $140. I think this is entirely possible considering how Apple has beaten quarterly estimates for a while now (very impressive considering how closely watched that company is).
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The YouTube on the iPhone is watered down, right? It's just the featured and most watched videos... you can't search all of YouTube, correct?
I figured this was the case, and when I was in the AT&T store earlier when I searched for my band's video on there it just came up with some featured crap, but their display models were kind of fucked up after so much abuse it seemed, so I didn't know if it was just a caching problem or if it is, in fact, watered down gayboy YouTube as I suspected.
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As has been said many places (if you look) the YouTube service is done through h264 instead of flash. This means that YouTube is in the process of converting the entire video catalog to h264. I am pretty sure featured stuff gets priority during the initial phase, but I am pretty sure everything will be available in the next few months.
So you can search for anything, but if it's not been converted yet, it won't find it.-
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Replace Apple's power with Google's power and you are on the right track. The reality is that Google bought YouTube and Google is one of the supporting companies of H264. Apple's part in H264 isn't a huge as people may think, it's an MPEG4 standard, not an Apple standard.
So this is how it works: Apple uses H264 in all their products, knowing the power of using a standard format. Later, Google buys YouTube. Sometime after that, Apple approaches Google and comes up with a partnership on a way of using YouTube on the AppleTV and iPhone. The process just so happens to fit in well with Google's plans to use H264 for YouTube (it scales a million times better) and so they work things out and Apple gets a pretty sweet deal out of it. The end result is, everyone gets YouTube on their Apple products, and YouTube gets higher quality video on their website.
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or, google saw it as an opportunity to push their brand onto the screen of the hottest new device in years, and honestly, its not shit to transcode a bunch of videos, ESPECIALLY if you have nothing but MILES of server farms.
yeah, I work with video, and i definitely noticed the youtube content was of a higher quality than normal.
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http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html
video formats listed at the bottom
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These New Super Mario Brothers wallpapers also make great iPhone wallpapers when zoomed in on Mario's face:
http://serpico74.shackspace.com/nsmb_wp1_1280.jpg
http://serpico74.shackspace.com/nsmb_wpBonus_1280.jpg
This Gir is pretty cool too: http://serpico74.shackspace.com/orange_gir.jpg
These, just a bit creepier:
http://serpico74.shackspace.com/buyfordollar.jpg
http://serpico74.shackspace.com/bennett.jpg
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