Evening Reading

So being the consumer whore that I am I had to go check out the local AT&T store and apparently my location is some kind of secret. There were a couple of goofballs who spent the night but I stood in line for all of 2hrs. That sure was time better spent than when I got suckered in to seeing Shrek 3 recently. THAT was a painful 2hrs. Alright then, on to the weekend shenanigans:

Lastly, here's your iPhone explosion on the market article. I heard it came out today. Oh and if you're a moron like me who bought the first gen product, here is your regret article.

Steve Gibson is the cofounder of Shacknews.com. Originally known as sCary's Quakeholio back in 1996, Steve is now President of Gearbox Publishing after selling Shacknews to GameFly in 2009.

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    June 29, 2007 6:01 PM

    Official iPhone Thread
    I figure we might as well get this under wraps for this new chat thread. So what's up with the iPhone, you guys? Is is good or is it whack?

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      June 29, 2007 6:03 PM

      just got home, waiting for activation to go through before i can play with it.......


      (this is killing me)

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        June 29, 2007 6:08 PM

        me too :( since i'm transferring my number from my verizon account, it could take upto 24 hours. minus 2 :P

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          June 29, 2007 6:24 PM

          Is it free activation? I remember reading on Gizmodo that it was possibly going to be $175 but I don't see anything like that on at & t page.

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        June 29, 2007 6:30 PM

        Got mine. Number transfer from t-mobile took about 10 minutes.

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          June 29, 2007 6:31 PM

          oh fuck off :(

          my email stated "up to 24 hours"

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            June 29, 2007 6:32 PM

            Depends on the service provider you're leaving.

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              June 29, 2007 6:37 PM

              t-mobile :(

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                June 29, 2007 6:40 PM

                Oh well I guess they weren't as sorry to see Bostrov go then.

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                  June 29, 2007 6:48 PM

                  Apparently he got interviewed by a tv crew as he was waiting in line though, so I'm sure there'll be some comedy for us all to enjoy..


                  he's probably cursing my name for telling you all now.. hahahaha

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        June 29, 2007 10:46 PM

        I'm imagining you guys at home shaking like junkies waiting for a fix.

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      June 29, 2007 6:03 PM

      I'm going to say good - but who the hell knows. Until it comes standard with wifi and I don't have to purchase broadband I will avoid this. or i'm just jelous of people that can afford this.

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        June 29, 2007 6:05 PM

        yeah all the exclusivity stuff will keep me from purchasing it. I don't want to be locked in to using any one provider, especially if I'm paying full price for the phone.

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        June 29, 2007 6:05 PM

        I believe it does come standard with Wifi?

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          June 29, 2007 6:06 PM

          christ! I will do my homework before I post like this again. You have to get the phone bundled with broadband though correct?

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            June 29, 2007 6:07 PM

            You have to purchase a 2 year service plan, yes. But you can use any WiFi spot you have access to.

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            June 29, 2007 6:08 PM

            Yeah the plans have, I think unlimited, edge connectivity included.

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            June 29, 2007 6:08 PM

            um, no, the phone is bundled with cellular service.

            which is not the same thing as broadband.

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              June 29, 2007 6:15 PM

              Not to confuse your point but Edge is unfortunately fast enough to classified as a broadband technology by FCC.

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            June 29, 2007 6:08 PM

            I don't think it lets you activate it without getting a bundled data plan or adding data to an existing one, though

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              June 29, 2007 6:10 PM

              Ok I'm completly confused now. ha.

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                June 29, 2007 6:19 PM

                It supports WiFi in that if available, you can use any hotspot to use the internet features of the phone, but it's not a VOIP phone or anything.

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                  June 29, 2007 6:21 PM

                  Given his post history in this thread alone, just stop.

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            June 29, 2007 11:10 PM

            NO. All rate plans come with the unlimited data. So even if you use nothing but wifi you are still paying for the broadband connection(EDGE in this case). Or that is how I came to understand their plans.

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      June 29, 2007 6:04 PM

      yeah I want to know.. i'd love to have one but don't feel like spending the money now (and I just got a new phone not too long ago). I want to live vicariously through you guys!

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      June 29, 2007 6:05 PM

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      June 29, 2007 6:05 PM

      So Steve got an iPhone? Tell us how it is Steve-O!

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      June 29, 2007 6:14 PM

      whack

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      June 29, 2007 6:17 PM

      Eat up Martha.

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      June 29, 2007 6:19 PM

      iPhone acquired IN 2-4 WEEKS.

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        June 29, 2007 11:25 PM

        Scratch this... picked one up. BUT IT WON'T LET ME ADD MY BUSINESS LINE. Jesus. They obviously don't want businesses using this, otherwise they wouldn't have made it impossible to add or transfer a number.

        Take a look at the business options in reply...

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          June 29, 2007 11:26 PM

          QUESTION:
          Business customers: Problems activating your iPhone?
          ANSWER:

          iPhone is only available to qualified Individual Responsibility Users (IRUs). An IRU is an employee who subscribes to service individually (with a 2-year service agreement and eligible plan) and assumes financial responsibility for his/her wireless account, but whose account is “attached” to his/her employer’s Foundation Account Number (FAN) in order to receive certain benefits (such as specialized business customer service). NOTE: iPhone and associated wireless service are not eligible for corporate service or equipment discounts. IRUs who activate an iPhone will lose any corporate discounts they have been receiving. If an IRU switches from an iPhone to another device, such IRU will have to cancel service to his or her iPhone and activate a new line of service with a new wireless number in order to receive any service discounts for which he or she then qualifies.

          iPhone requires subscription to eligible Voice Service and Wireless Data Service. Customer’s IRUs (a) must have an eligible Voice Service Plan with a minimum Monthly Service Charge of $39.99 (or an AT&T Family Talk “Add-a-Line” Plan with a Monthly Service Charge of $9.99), and (b) must have an iPhone Data Plan with a minimum Monthly Service Charge of $20.00.* NOTE: iPhone is not compatible with any other data plans from AT&T. iPhone offers access to many of today's most popular email services including most IMAP and POP3 services. Note that access to corporate email via IMAP may require a user's IT department to change settings on the server and firewall. iPhone does not support enterprise e-mail solutions such as BlackBerry Enterprise Server, Good Mobile Messaging or Microsoft Direct Push. Customers who activate an iPhone will automatically lose their international roaming capabilities or revert to pay-per-use rates for international roaming. Customers interested in having international roaming capability will need to contact AT&T at 1-800-331-0500 to assist them in selecting the international roaming solution that best fits their needs.

          *2-year agreement required. Additional charges, terms and conditions apply - see applicable plan brochure for details.

          As noted in the Pre-Purchase Understanding, iPhone is not available to Individual Responsibility Users participating in Split Liability Billing (SLB subscriber) or Corporate Responsibility Users (CRUs) due to the unique CRU and SLB processes, billing arrangements and specialized offers that are not currently supported for iPhone.

          If you are a CRU, or other corporate liable user or an SLB subscriber and are attempting to activate an iPhone, the information below outlines your current options, including the iPhone Return Policy.

          CRUs

          You are considered a CRU or other corporate liable user if your wireless service is intended primarily for business use and your company is the financially responsible party, whether or not you pay the wireless invoice.

          Option 1:

          Sign up for a new consumer line of service with a new phone number to use with your iPhone. Your existing CRU or other corporate liable user line of service and wireless phone number remain unchanged under the CRU or other corporate liable user account and you can continue to use them with your NON-iPhone device.

          1) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone for activating the device as a new AT&T subscriber and establish a new consumer line of service with a new phone number. Keep in mind this new line of service will be under a new personal account in your name, and you will be subject to a personal credit check.

          2) After the iPhone is active, attach your new phone number to your employer’s IRU FAN at www.att.com/wirelessdiscounts or by visiting an AT&T retail store. By attaching your phone number to your employer’s FAN, you’ll be able to access specialized business customer service with respect to your new phone number. However, because the new line of service and phone number are used with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts with respect to the new line of service/phone number.

          Option 2:

          Transfer your existing line of service from corporate responsibility to individual responsibility status so that you can use your existing phone number with your iPhone.

          1) To initiate the service transfer process, check with your company’s wireless account manager to determine if you have permission to make this change to the CRU account. If you do not have permission, your company’s authorized representative will need to call 1-800-999-5445 Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. - 8:30 p.m. EST to authorize your service to be transferred from corporate liability to your personal liability. Once your company’s authorized representative approves the transfer, he or she will provide you with the company’s IRU FAN, and the AT&T customer service representative will place a note on your CRU account validating that company authorization was provided. Important: You will not be able to proceed with the service transfer until approval has been provided by an authorized representative of your company.

          2) Following your company’s approval of the service transfer, please call 1-888-444-4410 Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. EST with your company’s IRU FAN on hand to request that your line of service and phone number be transferred to a new account in your name. At this time you will be subject to a personal credit check and will be required to agree to a wireless service agreement with an eligible plan. At the end of the transfer process, you will no longer be a CRU and your company will not be financially responsible for your account – you will be an IRU with personal responsibility for your own account and bill payment. You will be able to use your existing phone number with your iPhone.

          3) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone and activate the device as an existing AT&T subscriber. NOTE: As an IRU with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts available through your employer’s business agreement with AT&T.

          SLB Subscribers

          An SLB subscriber is an IRU whose employer is financially responsible for part, but not all, of the IRU’s wireless service. Specifically, the employer is financially responsible for data charges, but the IRU is financially responsible for voice charges.

          Option 1:

          Sign up for a new consumer line of service with a new phone number. Your existing SLB-enrolled line of service and wireless phone number remain unchanged under your IRU account and you can continue to associate them with a NON-iPhone device.

          1) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone for activating the device as a new AT&T subscriber and establish a new consumer line of service with a new phone number. Keep in mind this new line of service will be separate from your IRU account in your name, however, after successful activation of your iPhone, you can call Business Customer Services to have your individual accounts consolidated into one account. Keep in mind you will be subject to a personal credit check for the new line of service. Also, because the new line of service and phone number are used with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts with respect to the new line of service/phone number.

          Option 2:

          De-enroll your existing line of service and phone number from the Split Liability Billing program so that you can use them with your iPhone.

          1) To initiate a de-enrollment from Split Liability Billing, you will need to call 1-800-214-0825 Monday through Friday 8:00 a.m. – 8:00 p.m. EST and request to be de-enrolled from the program and to personally assume full financial responsibility for your account. You will be required to change your current data plan to a plan that is compatible with iPhone. At the end of the de-enrollment process, you will still have your existing service and phone number and you will still have an IRU account that is attached to your employer’s IRU FAN, but you will now be personally responsible for paying *all* amounts incurred under your account, including all voice and data service charges.

          2) Follow the instructions provided with the iPhone to activate the device as an existing AT&T subscriber. NOTE: As an IRU with an iPhone, you will not receive any corporate discounts available through your employer’s business agreement with AT&T

          iPhone International Offers:

          Customers who activate an iPhone will automatically lose their international roaming capabilities or revert to pay-per-use rates for international roaming. If you are interested in AT&T’s international roaming packages, please call AT&T at 1- 800-331-0500 after activating your iPhone. You can add basic pay-per-use international data roaming, or you can add the new iPhone International data feature, which offers 20 MB of international data usage in select countries, for an additional charge of $24.99 per month.*

          Customers calling from outside of the domestic United States inquiring about international features should dial 916-843-4685.

          *Additional charges, terms and conditions apply. See feature brochure for details.

          iPhone Return Policy:

          You must return your iPhone to the channel where it was purchased within 14 days from the date of purchase on your receipt for a full refund. For example, iPhone purchased in Apple retail stores must be returned to an Apple retail store. Customers who purchase from Apple online will find instructions on how to return the device on www.apple.com . If the device packaging is opened a 10% re-stocking fee will be withheld from the refund.

          Still have questions?

          * iPhone Availability/Eligibility: If you have additional questions about iPhone availability, please contact your sales representative or call 1-866-Mobility twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week, for dedicated support.
          * CRU iPhone Activation Support: Call 1-866-907-3484 seven days a week 7:00 a.m. – 1:00 a.m. EST for dedicated support.




          If you are viewing information on devices or services, please note: content reflects instructions for devices and services purchased from AT&T.
          Some differences may exist for devices not purchased from AT&T.

          -----------------------------------------------------------

          TL:DR Basically I can use it, but I have to pay for it. And my company is not liable for the bill at all.

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      June 29, 2007 6:21 PM

      For everyone activating theres online, how do you transfer over all your old numbers, do you have to go back to att store?

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        June 29, 2007 6:22 PM

        no, you can do a number transfer through iTunes. you just have to wait longer.

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        June 29, 2007 6:22 PM

        If your old phone has bluetooth, do a sync it with iSync. Done.

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          June 29, 2007 7:28 PM

          is this a MAC only product? I need to get my numbers over from my S710a to my iPhone.

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            June 29, 2007 7:31 PM

            Yeah :( Though I honestly can't tell you what the syncing is like in windows.

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              June 29, 2007 7:36 PM

              and it's awesome because everytime I try to watch QuickTime in FF or IE it crashes so I can't even watch the videos on the site.

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                June 29, 2007 7:56 PM

                Do you have the latest version of QT? My FF was crashing and I found out I was a point release back from the latest.

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                  June 29, 2007 8:33 PM

                  I use iTunes daily so I am assuming it gives me the latest QuickTime no? I just installed 7.3 for this god damn phone.

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                    June 30, 2007 12:18 AM

                    If you got the standard itunes it should have installed quicktime with it yes. But it was available without it.

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      June 29, 2007 6:22 PM

      I'm slightly surprised it's not launching in Asia until 2008. Rivals like SE and Nokia have have alternate handsets on the horizon by then. Having said that, if it's 3G, there probably isn't much point for the Asian market.

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        June 29, 2007 6:22 PM

        *lacking in 3G

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        June 29, 2007 6:36 PM

        that may be why they are waiting. I would assume they want to have more features by the time they release an iPhone in Asia. My guess, Asia release will coincide with a gen2 iPhone.

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          June 29, 2007 6:43 PM

          Techmeme claims Apple will announce next week that their European iPhone will be 3G and work with 3 different carriers.

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      June 29, 2007 6:33 PM

      Fuck you Verizon!

      Not that I can afford one anyway but I seriously hope someone got fired for passing on it =(

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      June 29, 2007 6:40 PM

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      June 29, 2007 6:48 PM

      On hold with the third customer support number AT&T has given me.

      The phone looks good, at least.

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      June 29, 2007 6:54 PM

      I wonder if there will be the same sort of violence that there was w/ the 360 and PS3 launch. Especially considering how pricey they are...


      Wonder if I can pick up a used iPhone in a few years that'll work with AT&T's pre-paid service like my Smartphone does...

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        June 29, 2007 6:57 PM

        From what the activation in iTunes said before it bugged out for me, it looks like they already work with AT&T's pre-paid service.

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          June 29, 2007 6:58 PM

          You should not have told me this.

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          June 29, 2007 7:02 PM

          from what i've been told by AT&T corporate, it will NOT work with pre-paid. but then again, we'll have to wait to see when someone tries it..

          they also told us the SIM wouldn't be removable, but the iPhone manual says otherwise..

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            June 29, 2007 7:03 PM

            I could very well be wrong because I didn't try that method.

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            June 30, 2007 12:48 AM

            Well, my Smartphone isn't supposed to work w/ pre-paid service either, but it works just fine. In fact, after they had already charged my card and I was headed out the door they found out they weren't even supposed to sell it to me (WTF why?), but too late for them.

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        June 29, 2007 6:57 PM

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      June 29, 2007 7:02 PM

      I am constantly wiping off grease and smudges on my Blackjack. I can imagine how much worse it can be if I were constantly touching the screen and having to lock the screen to wipe it off.

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        June 29, 2007 7:04 PM

        but the iPhone comes with a free shammy!

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      June 29, 2007 7:02 PM

      I'm surprised that there isnt that guy that goes around breaking new electronics up yet like he did with the Xbox 360 and other consoles.

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      June 29, 2007 7:16 PM

      So was there any reason to stand in line? Are they actually selling out in some areas?

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        June 29, 2007 7:29 PM

        they sold out at the AT&T store I waited at. Got there at 5:30, I was 57 in line. At the Boca Raton Apple Store there were 400+ people waiting, they still had plenty of iPhones at 9:00pm when I called.

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          June 29, 2007 7:32 PM

          Hmmm..

          I ordered online and ^^^^

          Maybe I'll try to get one local.

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        June 29, 2007 8:02 PM

        Sold out at the store I went to as well.

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        June 29, 2007 8:05 PM

        got to the local Apple store (in south San Jose) at around 7:00. I was out of the store w/ an iPhone by 7:30 or so. I think they had quite a few in stock.

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      June 29, 2007 8:02 PM

      Engadget have this great Newton comparison pic http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/29/how-far-weve-come/

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      June 29, 2007 8:07 PM

      how long does it take to boot from powered off to usable state

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      June 29, 2007 8:15 PM

      i have one year till my verizon contract is up :(

      hopefully there will be rev2 out or it will be available at other providers by then.

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        June 29, 2007 8:19 PM

        at&t has a 2 or 3 year exclusive deal.. cant remember which.. i think 3..

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          June 29, 2007 8:22 PM

          guess ill switch to shitty cingular

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          June 29, 2007 11:13 PM

          Hmm I heard 5, 3 would be much better.

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      June 29, 2007 8:22 PM

      Can you talk to jesus with this phone? Because if you can't, I'm not interested in paying a few hundred dollars for a phone I already have.

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        June 29, 2007 8:26 PM

        So you have the jesus free version of iPhone?

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      June 29, 2007 8:37 PM

      Just got home with mine...just need to activate it...

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      June 29, 2007 8:41 PM

      Typing this on the iPhone keyboard using two thumbs and I'm doing pretty well with it. its correcting mpst of the mistakes for me but it doesnt catch all of them. though it seems to be getting smarter(it already has nyranger66 memorized)

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        June 29, 2007 8:42 PM

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          June 29, 2007 8:49 PM

          yeah, id like to see how well the shack renders on it (mine wont get activated til tommorrow) --- plus, how fast does it render via wifi?

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            June 29, 2007 8:53 PM

            it's really fast. Almost just as fast as a regular render. It renders just like you see it here, it's a full browser.

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              June 29, 2007 8:55 PM

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              June 29, 2007 8:58 PM

              i cannot wait to get mine activated... wow. people bitch about the price for a phone, but really, its not a phone, its a laptop with a phone... and id pay 2K for a nice laptop with a portable form factor, so this is really a steal.

              when are they gonna allow it to be used as a general storage drive?

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        June 29, 2007 8:48 PM

        I was trying to post at the apple store but I couldn't get the post box to appear.

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      June 29, 2007 8:45 PM

      grah. anyone else stuck on the "activation requires additional time to complete" step? I want to play with it already dammit.

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      June 29, 2007 8:46 PM

      arrived at the ATT store at 5:50, was about 35th in line or so, and got a 4gig model (couldnt afford the 8gig, but didnt really care)

      it really is a slick product, and thats from me playing with it at the unlock screen and the in store model. I've never seen a portable device anything like this. wow. The industrial design on this thing is... well... apple.

      i currently have a Go-Phone (pre-paid) ATT account, and I asked the guy at the counter if when i activated my iphone if i could port that phone number over (since they are the same freakin company, wtf?) and he said "no, its a totally different system", which prolly means "i have no clue, i just read the sheets they send me". anyone know anything about this?

      the screen has a slight case of the "smudgies", and im scared im gonna drop it -- they didnt seem to offer any sort of insurance on this thing, whats my best option there?

      we web browser is freaking amazing. I believe this thing will reshape the cell phone market and force the other guys to make a decent phone. I couldnt afford this thing, as I'll be eating bread and water for a month, but hey, i can read the shack anywhere, now, right?

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      June 29, 2007 8:46 PM

      I'm disappointed it's only available through Cingular. =\

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      June 29, 2007 8:49 PM

      Getting an iPhone was ridiculously easy.

      Today I went to The Grove, a big outdoor mall in Los Angeles adjacent to the old Farmer's Market, to go see Die Hard 4 there. The biggest Apple store in LA is here so I checked out the huge line that had formed with no intention of getting an iPhone. The first person in line got there at 4am. Several hundred people back from him 9am-10am arrivals. The line snaked out of the Grove and out onto 3rd Street around the outside of it. This was at 4pm and it was hot outside. So yeah, pretty huge line.

      I got out of the movie at 7pm. The line at that point looked surprisingly managable. I asked the person at the front how long he had waited for, he said only 20 minutes. I wasn't planning on buying one but I figured what the hell. From when I got in line to when I paid for two iPhones was only 15 minutes. They cranked people through that line so fast, selling you accessories and stuff while you waited. Really nice.

      I feel bad for the person who had waited fourteen hours for one when it took me only fifteen minutes. Either way (and I realize that this is a flagship store that probably had thousands of iPhones), this was stupidly painless for a hyped gadget launch. Considering the waiting I have done for game consoles this was cake. It ran like clockwork, and I hope that Nintendo and other companies that have similar big launches take notice.

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        June 29, 2007 8:52 PM

        the ATT store wasnt too bad, but they did only let like 3 people at a time in the store, and then i think they had to explain the iphone to them , which i thought was odd since if they knew the date it was released and waited in line for it, they prolly knew wtf it was... lol

        the whole "sealed bag" thing was weird, and i asked the register guy about that, and he said that apple's stores required that of all their sales (why? I dont know.. any ideas there? just a weird jobs thing?) and I joked that apple was calling the shots now at ATT and he didnt seem to like that comment.

        not too bad though, I talked to a guy in line for 30 minutes who was driving back to chicago from his FLA vacation and decided to try and get one. we talked programming, etc... fun times.

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          June 29, 2007 8:54 PM

          weird, do you live in FL? I had a conversation with a guy about this very same shit while I was waiting in line tonight. I even made that comment myself about the date it was released. bizarre!

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        June 30, 2007 12:14 AM

        god Apple are genius marketers... you bought 2 fucking phones??

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          June 30, 2007 12:15 AM

          I picked up one for my friend. WTF would I need two phones for?

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          June 30, 2007 12:24 AM

          apple barely has to do anything; people were clamoring for and speculating about an iphone for years before this.

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      June 29, 2007 8:57 PM

      in the run up to today's launch Jobs has stated publicly that Apple will give every one of its 20,000 employees an 8GB iPhone.

      wow, nice.. give me an application to work at apple

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      June 29, 2007 9:01 PM

      any idea on how to port a pre-paid / go-phone number over? they told me at the ATT store that it couldnt be done (wtf?) but generally they dont know shit about the tech.

      shack-knowledge?

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        June 29, 2007 9:16 PM

        Stick your SIM card in it?

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          June 29, 2007 9:18 PM

          with almost all GSM phones, you can pull this off... everyone is telling me that wont work here.

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            June 29, 2007 9:25 PM

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              June 29, 2007 9:27 PM

              I tried putting my iPhone sim into my other Cingular phone to copy the contacts. It saw the card, copied the contacts but I have no way of getting it onto the iPhone. I might have to manually enter all the #'s...UGH.

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                June 29, 2007 9:50 PM

                send them from your old phone to your PC?

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                  June 29, 2007 10:46 PM

                  no easy way to do that unfortunately, will have to type it all out manually.

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                June 29, 2007 9:54 PM

                type that shit out on your pc and sync it that way

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        June 29, 2007 9:54 PM

        also, does it take the billing account from iTunes, or can i setup an autodraft, or do they send you a bill, or what?

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          June 29, 2007 9:56 PM

          You're billed through AT&T just like anyone with any other phone.

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        June 30, 2007 12:11 AM

        Phones can be locked to a particular SIM card. I'm going to guess that only AT&T cards will work with the iPhone that you buy from AT&T.

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      June 29, 2007 9:03 PM

      Waiting until it can run on G3 and my current contract expires.

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      June 29, 2007 9:38 PM

      the iPhone keyboard really sucks. i kept hitting the wrong keys even though i was trying hard.

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        June 29, 2007 9:48 PM

        In his WSJ review, Walt Mossberg wanted to throw the iPhone at the wall after three days because of the keyboard, then finally got used to it and loved it after five days. I'm curious to see how this plays out for everyone. The keyboard video on the Apple website does make it seem pretty good at prediction, correcting errors, etc.

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          June 29, 2007 9:51 PM

          I think I'm already used to it an approaching the same typing speed that I had on the blackberry that it replaced (and I was pretty fast there). I think in a few weeks it'll be really good.

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        June 29, 2007 9:53 PM

        lol report back when you've used it for more than 30 seconds, thanks.

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      June 29, 2007 9:52 PM

      So, is there or is there not corporate Exchange ActiveSync support?

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        June 29, 2007 10:18 PM

        2 answers to this question actually. If your company enables IMAP on their exchange server you can get it that way.

        Also.. I think Engadget or Gizmodo had an article today saying that full exchange support might come soon

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          June 30, 2007 12:53 AM

          Fuck that noise. I'm not enabling IMAP for iPhones. One less thing to worry about. Early adopters at work can go kiss my ass. :)

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            June 30, 2007 1:03 AM

            lol, IT people and their power trips

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              June 30, 2007 11:35 AM

              Power trip?! Not likely. More like I'm too lazy to go through the trouble of figuring out how to implement it in a secure way without adding any security risks. I'd rather wait and see if Apple licenses a supported corporate email standard, such as Exchange ActiveSync, Good, or BlackBerry Connect.

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        June 29, 2007 9:55 PM

        Holy crap that thing is tiny.

        I still have yet to open mine; I'm polling my friends on Cingular on how coverage in my area is.

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          June 29, 2007 9:59 PM

          Yeah, not sure if the pics show it, but it's actually THINNER then my RAZR.

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            June 29, 2007 10:06 PM

            I can see that. That was pretty surprising.

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        June 29, 2007 10:40 PM

        Use macro mode if you want us to actually be able to see anything.

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        June 30, 2007 12:21 AM

        lol you suck at focusing

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      June 29, 2007 9:55 PM

      when typing up a sms, can you turn it sideways to spread out the keyboard and make it larger? if not I think that would be a cool idea for them to implement.

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        June 29, 2007 9:56 PM

        not to my knowledge. the widescreen keyboard is implemented only in the safari browser, iirc.

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        June 29, 2007 9:57 PM

        Only Safari does the keyboard in landscape mode. I won't be surprised if they add a landscape keyboard to everything else in an update.

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      June 29, 2007 10:35 PM

      anyone smash one yet?

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      June 29, 2007 10:41 PM

      posting from a demo unit. It's adorable.

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        June 29, 2007 10:58 PM

        okay, that's just hot.

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        June 29, 2007 11:01 PM

        hot

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        June 29, 2007 11:02 PM

        how am i going to afford one of these things :(

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          June 29, 2007 11:26 PM

          If you figure it out, tell me how plz.

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        June 29, 2007 11:07 PM

        Fine, I'll open the box.

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        June 29, 2007 11:21 PM

        That's hot that is.

        I wonder if Vodafone will pick it up here when my W900i is up for replacement

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          June 29, 2007 11:39 PM

          Vodafone is the current favourite in Europe to get it, probably in a joint deal with t-mobile apparently. Vodafone will have to do something about their shitty data charges though, they just relaunched those, £7.50 a month for 120mb!!

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            June 30, 2007 12:13 AM

            Yeah, I made shackenposten about the 120MB for £7.50 thing

            the painful part is, that's amongst the better deals available here.


            that said, the basic iphone plan is what... $59.99 (+ tax?) which is £29.86/month

            I'm paying £29.99 to vodafone now, and I'm not getting unlimited mobile to mobile, nor unlimited data


            I do have that whole 'stop the clock' thing and 500 texts going on though.

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              June 30, 2007 2:03 AM

              Could be worse, could be with Orange, they charge £8 for 30mb!!!!!! LOL

              In recent weeks I've been tempted to switch from Vodafone to Three, they offer data for £5 a month, with fair usage that kicks in at 1024mb. T-mobile would be nicer but their contract prices start pretty high, especially if you don't want a shitty phone.

              I also read that Apple don't want the iPhone price to be subsidised by the networks in Europe, so it'll be just as expensive here (who am I kidding, this is Apple we're talking about, it'll be more expensive) as it is in the US.

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                June 30, 2007 7:07 AM

                Everyone I've ever known that used 3 had serious coverage issues, but it's been a while since I anyone I know last attempted to use them, so that might not be the case anymore, additionally YMMV anyway.

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            June 30, 2007 8:19 AM

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        June 29, 2007 11:24 PM

        pretty slick, how do you plan on protecting the screen?

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          June 29, 2007 11:26 PM

          It's not as necessary as with an ipod; it's glass, and pretty resistant, from everything I've read.

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        June 29, 2007 11:28 PM

        how much do you wanna bet they'll come out with a better, sleeker, sexier version in a year? still damn hot.

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          June 29, 2007 11:46 PM

          I honestly don't even know how or why you would need something sexier than this. Let alone how will Apple out do themselves. Honestly, I never seeing myself owning another cell-phone ever.

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            June 29, 2007 11:48 PM

            hmm, sexier than the iphone...

            Makeit come with your preference of hot person of your gender of preference to carry it around and interfere with you sexually on demand?

            that's about the only upgrade aside from capacity and software that I'd really want from a snazzy gizmo.

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        June 29, 2007 11:31 PM

        It's weird how I always imagine these things to be bigger than they are from the advertising, and then when I see real-life shots I'm blown away by how small they really are.

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          June 29, 2007 11:36 PM

          It is actually less bulky than my razr. I'm really surprised since it always seemed bigger in photos and videos.

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        June 29, 2007 11:48 PM

        that is so hot

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        June 29, 2007 11:50 PM

        holy, must resist till version 2. But seeing that makes it tough. so sweet.

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        June 29, 2007 11:55 PM

        So decided not to return it huh?

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          June 30, 2007 12:08 AM

          yeah, I smoked a bowl with my roommate. We were taking pictures of the box to put on eBay actually. I got a SM from soggybagel about it and was like, "fuck it, lets open it" so I did. I don't regret it at all.

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        June 30, 2007 12:09 AM

        How long did it take to load Shacknews homepage on an clear cache?

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          June 30, 2007 12:10 AM

          2-5 seconds on WiFi maybe?

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            June 30, 2007 12:25 AM

            Edge plz, not interested in WiFi, alreayd know that's fast. If I had an iPhone, I'd use web outside of hot zones too.

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        June 30, 2007 12:50 AM

        Holy shit, that's a lot smaller than I thought it was.

        Fuck, now I'm honestly considering getting one. :X

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          June 30, 2007 12:58 AM

          it's really small. Just go to a store and check it out.

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            June 30, 2007 1:10 AM

            We don't really have any apple stores around here.

            Plus I really don't want to put myself into a position of actually buying one, because I might. :X

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        June 30, 2007 8:25 AM

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      June 29, 2007 11:48 PM

      Meebo looks like it's a go on the iphone, HOORAY!

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      June 29, 2007 11:53 PM

      this shit is hot. at&t's edge sucks ass, as soon as a 3g version comes out i'll upgrade to that. and i've become an apple fanboy again. i've been on a 12 year hiatus

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        June 29, 2007 11:54 PM

        it doesn't even need 3G. The WiFi is amazing on it. ugh this thing is almost perfect. just needs real time GPS :(

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          June 29, 2007 11:56 PM

          i agree the wifi is indeed amazing. youtube videos starting in a matter of seconds? i mean they actually look good at this resolution too!

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        June 29, 2007 11:55 PM

        3G and ability to play shoutcast streams would be super hot.

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        June 29, 2007 11:55 PM

        youtube videos on the thing via wifi are THE BOMB. as are the maps. my number transfer only took minutes from sprint. keyboard is a dream, i've only misstyped 2 times, granted i'm no speed demon either but i love it!

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          June 30, 2007 12:22 AM

          I'm watching Vader Sessions on this thing and it is awesome.

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      June 30, 2007 12:14 AM

      Ok, this thing is fucking rad.

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        June 30, 2007 12:19 AM

        just wait until you start seeing features. For instance, I figured setting up my voicemail was going to be a chore like any other phone. No, I think it was like a press of 2 buttons and it was working? Everything is just designed how it should be, it works perfectly, man oh man.

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      June 30, 2007 1:58 AM

      Hahah!!! I just read that there is a minimun charge of $60 a month. And I thought $500 was already too much.. BWAHAH! thats pretty damn funny considering its totally not worth it. At least I don't think so. Maybe my opinion will change... Once the price comes down.. hahah! Rediculous..

      It better surf the web, have the greatest reception ever, make waffles, and comb my hair with ease for that price.

      And to think that some of those moneypants bought 2 of them. Wow...

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        June 30, 2007 2:00 AM

        That $60/month is called a phone bill. You'd pay at least that much for any cell phone voice+unlimited data plan.

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        June 30, 2007 2:02 AM

        What is your average monthly cell phone bill? Mine averages $80 a month and I'm on the low end of the people I know. Considering that data is unlimited with the iphone plans I think the prices are pretty fair.

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          June 30, 2007 2:05 AM

          Jesus what the hell was I thinking.. I totally forgot i have a freaking phone bill i guess... Now I feel stupid.. Okay but still $600 is like alot of money..

          :(

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          June 30, 2007 5:22 AM

          $32.95 / month :(

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        June 30, 2007 2:05 AM

        You have heard of these things called "telephone contracts" right?


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        June 30, 2007 6:11 AM

        Actually after all the fees and crap it'll probably come closer to $75 a month.

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      June 30, 2007 2:06 AM

      Needs 3G, GPS, and about $100 less before I'll buy.

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      June 30, 2007 2:30 AM

      I totally thought I would wait but this thing is amazing. Best gadget since the DS Lite.

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      June 30, 2007 2:54 AM

      Went and looked at a friends but still won't get one. There are too many times I just need my phone to be half the size. It needs a companion "nano" phone given along with it.

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      June 30, 2007 3:29 AM

      My buddy has been raving about his all evening. I quote: "the keyboard is amazing." I guess he was getting 188kbps over EDGE (in LA), which isn't too bad. The interface looks pretty hot, but I must resist until 2nd gen.

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        June 30, 2007 3:40 AM

        I'm just going to sell mine when the 2nd gen comes out. I wasn't even planning on buying an iPhone today but I couldn't be happier with this thing. I get to replace a bunch of seperate devices with one that is superior to all of them.

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      June 30, 2007 4:28 AM

      Anyone taken any pictures with the camera yet? Phone cameras are usually pretty terrible quality even when they have "2 MEGA PIXZELS!", apart from the newer SonyEric ones.

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        June 30, 2007 4:32 AM

        my friend has an Ericsson P910i... the camera is incredible for a phone

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      June 30, 2007 4:28 AM

      there was a line of three people at the AT&T store near our house- I could have walked in and bought one in 5 minutes (but no way am I paying $600 on 1st gen (says the guy with a 1st gen iPod :(

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      June 30, 2007 4:55 AM

      How do I move music from my pc to my iphone??

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      June 30, 2007 5:55 AM

      What is the lowest possible monthly fee you can get with an iPhone? How many minutes does that include?

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      June 30, 2007 6:37 AM

      I'm curious about the video quality, especially when comparing to an iPod video.

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        June 30, 2007 8:07 AM

        should be stunning -- the resolution is higher (480x320) at 160 PPI, so it's going to be very sharp and will probably scale well, too

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        June 30, 2007 8:26 AM

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      June 30, 2007 6:49 AM

      Waited 3 hours last night at the AT&T store. Waited 3 minutes at the apple store this morning. They had tons. Seems that at&t stores really got short changed.

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        June 30, 2007 7:32 AM

        i thought they announced this. that's the whole reason i drove 20 minutes to the apple store. They had a line still when I got there at 7:30 and had these nerds in black teeshirts funneling people in the store. i was in an out in 5 minutes ! here i was afraid i wouldn't be able to get one cause of the lines of people camping out :)

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          June 30, 2007 7:46 AM

          and itunes activation took 4 minutes this morning, even with a phone number transfer. It seems the at&t activation issues have already been taken care of within the last 12 hours.

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      June 30, 2007 7:26 AM

      god these pictures are so tempting

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      June 30, 2007 7:38 AM

      200 SMS messages seems low, but I suppose if you can email everyone, you never need to use SMS? Unless you wish to get a msg to your friends on their phones and they're stuck back in 6/28/07

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        June 30, 2007 8:17 AM

        I think that's the plan - SMS is secondary since you know you'll be online all the time. sucks if you've got friends who never actually, you know, use their phones and prefer to text you to death, but awesome if they use IM chat or e-mail.

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          June 30, 2007 9:10 AM

          I think all AT&T plans come with 200 SMS messages, its a standard of theirs

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            June 30, 2007 9:51 AM

            hahahahaha, no. the iPhone plans, yes, but not all other regular plans.

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      June 30, 2007 8:31 AM

      What about that group that likes to buy new stuff and smash it in front of line people? Have they smashed a iPhone yet?

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      June 30, 2007 8:40 AM

      can anyone break down the data/voice plan you have to use with AT&T? what is your total bill per month with unlimited data and how many voice minutes?

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          June 30, 2007 8:48 AM

          fuck thats not bad at all. im paying 80/mo right now for verizon with a similar voice and data plan. i wonder if its worth it to terminate early.

          I MUST RESIST THE NERD URGE TO GET AN IPHONE

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          June 30, 2007 8:55 AM

          I would say the only thing that sucks is the 200 text messages. I get 1500 with my Bberry, but it doesn't have IM so I guess its not a huge deal.

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            June 30, 2007 8:58 AM

            yea, but 1500 is only $10 more, shich is still almost $20 less a month for verizon.

            w/ verizon i have their "fake" unlimited text messages, which is unlimited IN (and i only know 2 people on verizon) and 500 out of the network.

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              June 30, 2007 9:07 AM

              Yeah, which brings it higher by like 8 bucks for my full voice and corp email for me. Not horrible, but I really wish it had google talk or something. I love having all IM services on my hip. Its really a deal breaker for me.

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      June 30, 2007 8:43 AM

      can you go into the apple store and play with one?

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        June 30, 2007 9:36 AM

        of course, everything is out in the open to try out

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      June 30, 2007 9:15 AM

      So I already use a phone from AT&T and Cingular, does that mean at some point I will be able to do the upgrade thing? Hopefully when the second generation comes out that doesn't suck (3g, decent camera, 2 mega pixels lol wtf, more memory than my old phone....)

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        June 30, 2007 9:19 AM

        Actually 2 mega pixels is pretty high end for a phone..

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          June 30, 2007 9:37 AM

          lol no, my OLD phone has 2 mega pixels. high end for a phone now is a 5 mega pixels with a xenon flash. I wish SE's 5 mega pixel pone didn't use stupid memory format limited to 1gb.

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            June 30, 2007 9:42 AM

            you're weird. 2 is awesome 1 is still the norm.

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              June 30, 2007 1:04 PM

              Its hard to think 2 is awesome, thats like saying if the iphone came with 256 megs of memory its awesome because 64 megs of memory is the norm.

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        June 30, 2007 9:57 AM

        it does not affect your upgrage date at all, you;re buying the phone outright essentially.. so, if your upgrade date it like say, 6 months from now, and you get an iPhone, you can still do the upgrade in 6 months..

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      June 30, 2007 9:27 AM

      how do u get it to delete email from the server?

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      June 30, 2007 9:27 AM

      I haven't been following the iPhone at all. Can you get it in Canada yet? If so where?

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        June 30, 2007 9:30 AM

        Nope, nothing official announced AFAIK. I think some Rogers customer service person said it was coming eventually (and probably is) but no official time frame or details.

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      June 30, 2007 9:34 AM

      wow. this simply is not *just* a phone. believe the hype....

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        June 30, 2007 9:54 AM

        I know man. A lot of people are balking at the price but once you actually get into the phone and see how everything is laid out you cannot appreciate it. Setting up voicemail was amazing. No voice prompts, didn't have to call any numbers, all onscreen and it took 2 seconds. Everything is right about this little machine!

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          June 30, 2007 10:06 AM

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            June 30, 2007 10:10 AM

            way to troll. It was just something that stood out because Apple realized shit like that needs to be simple and straight forward. You seriously need to spend time with the phone. Everyone who is talking shit has probably never even used one. Once you see it and use it, you will probably buy it.

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              June 30, 2007 10:17 AM

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                June 30, 2007 10:37 AM

                i wouldn't want an iphone right now cause everyone would ask me "so you spent $600 on a forkin' phone?!" I definitely can afford one though, but its like you get that stigma of "hey guys i dont know how to manage my money" or "Hi! i'm a GADGET GEEK! "

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      June 30, 2007 9:39 AM

      Why can't AT&T and Sprint have a MyCircle deal so I can leave sprint, switch to AT&T and still be able to call family/girlfriend for free :(

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      June 30, 2007 9:55 AM

      Top 10 Apps for iPhone

      http://lifehacker.com/software/lifehacker-top-10/top-10-iphone-applications-273407.php

      There is even an app that has AIM support. Meebo seems to not be working properly or something.

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        June 30, 2007 10:05 AM

        wow that iphone aim chat is great.

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        June 30, 2007 10:55 AM

        Has anyone used the aim chat feature? Does it stay connected all the time?

        On my bberry google talk stays connected without wasting the battery or taking huge resources.

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      June 30, 2007 10:03 AM

      If you want pictures like that get yourself a real camera. All phones take washed out crap pictures anyway.

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      June 30, 2007 10:14 AM

      Agreed, there were plenty of holy crap moments during the initial setup. Alongside those, there were even more where I said almost out loud, "er.. that's all I have to do?". Apple has always been king at interfaces and they went nuts with this.

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      June 30, 2007 10:39 AM

      My Thougts

      I played around with the various features on my wife's phone for a bit this morning. The UI is slick as hell. The camera's image quality is complete shit. EDGE connection is slower than a 14.4 BPS modem. Other than those two things I think this phone was totally worth it.

      One note of caution though. My wife is a contractor who switched contracts a few months back and she has never had AT&T service. They wanted a $500 deposit on the phone. So grand total it cost us $1100 to get it. We get the deposit back after a year, but that was kinda bullshit considering we make over $150k a year combined and have excellent credit.

      If I would have been thinking we would have ran it under my name to see if it came back with out the deposit.. but the store was packed and we wanted to get out of there.

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        June 30, 2007 10:43 AM

        They wanted a $500 deposit on the phone. So grand total it cost us $1100 to get it

        Speechless.

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          June 30, 2007 10:51 AM

          i was pretty shocked too, but she really wanted it (it was a b-day gift as well) and it was a deposit so I said fuck it..

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        June 30, 2007 10:49 AM

        $500 deposit? what the fuck?

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        June 30, 2007 10:53 AM

        I don't know about this $500 deposit business. It sounds like something got screwed up during credit check. They only do that if you have poor credit or something is messed up. I would talk to AT&T about it.

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          June 30, 2007 10:55 AM

          we called and they said they couldn't tell us the reason. The only thing we could figure out is that she is a contractor which makes her job situation transitory and that we never had an AT&T account...

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            June 30, 2007 11:00 AM

            possibly but that is nuts man, sorry to hear :(

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            June 30, 2007 11:06 AM

            Still though, why a deposit for the amount of the phone? Why do they care what the phone costs? I can see a deposit for a couple months of service charges but the phone makes no sense.

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        June 30, 2007 11:43 AM

        EDGE is actually about 3x faster than 56k dialup. Try a 14.4k modem again buddy.

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          June 30, 2007 3:56 PM

          lol, maybe under "optimal" conditions. I left att and went to sprint and cause edge was so freaking slow.

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      June 30, 2007 11:05 AM

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      June 30, 2007 11:49 AM

      after 1 hour of just goofing off with my new iphone, i realized i had not opened my laptop, and... wasnt really that worried about it. The web on the iphone is amazing, not perfect (some rendering effects, etc) but wow... people who care nothing about gadgets automatically recognize how much of a shift this thing is.

      whats the deal with flash video and safari, though? is it nerfed on the iphone?

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        June 30, 2007 11:50 AM

        No flash support with the iphone (yet)

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          June 30, 2007 11:55 AM

          from a developer standpoint, i can see why --- they want a consistent UI / performance experience on this thing, and until they can figure out how to keep bad flash apps from locking up the browser its prolly best to not have it enabled.

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            June 30, 2007 12:09 PM

            From what I've read it is pretty much up to Adobe to develop Flash support for what processor the iphone is using.

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            June 30, 2007 12:57 PM

            So much for it being the "real web" them like they claimed before.

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              June 30, 2007 1:03 PM

              you can browse anything non flash and youtube. I think that's probably enough to keep you busy until they figure out flash support.

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      June 30, 2007 12:07 PM

      It's basically - amazing. Apple just pwned everyone in the cell phone market.

      AAAA+. Would buy again!

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      June 30, 2007 12:18 PM

      Wow, so this thing is like invincible.

      http://www.pcworld.com/video/id,545-page,1-bid,0/video.html

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        June 30, 2007 12:31 PM

        ive wondered about that... how it would scratch, if i dropped it, etc

        this video is painful to watch... lol

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        June 30, 2007 1:25 PM

        Scratch Test: When the iPhone emerged with its screen just as pristine as when it went in, we then attempted to gouge the screen with one of the keys. We were very impressed that even this deliberate attempt to scratch the screen completely failed.

        Drop Test: The iPhone not only continue to work after each drop test, impressively it still looked good as well. The only obvious damage suffered was a few gouges along its metal edge from the concrete drops. But it came out without a scratch on its glass screen, despite our best efforts to mar it in repeated tests of both types.

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      June 30, 2007 12:21 PM

      hey, do any of you iphone users know if it takes a while for visual voicemail to get setup? i created my password and made my custom greeting, but its not working

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        June 30, 2007 1:45 PM

        did you make sure you hit the "Done" button at the top? I forgot to hit that and went back and it saved it and I was setup.

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          June 30, 2007 4:07 PM

          yeah my custom voicemail plays back fine on my iphone, but when people call, they don't hear it.

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      June 30, 2007 12:32 PM

      ya know, apple has had slick products before, but fucking shit... its like they are running backwards circles around the cell phone field. there is simply nothing like this thing.

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        June 30, 2007 12:44 PM

        Totally. I wasn't even pumped for it but I'm blown away by this thing.

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        June 30, 2007 12:58 PM

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          June 30, 2007 1:34 PM

          hell, when i sat here for a while and surfed the web, and then realized i hadnt opened my laptop, all of the sudden my old phone AND my laptop seemed dated.

          I've never owned an apple product, never had an ipod, so im in no way an apple fanboy, but the design on this thing seems like something you would see in a movie ... wow.

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      June 30, 2007 1:32 PM

      I wish it had ichat built-in

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      June 30, 2007 1:43 PM

      So how well does the iphone work as a portable hard drive? Right now I can plug my current 4 gig SE phone into a PC and it just shows up as a drive and I can drag and drop whatever I want on there just like it is a HD including music. Im sure iphone forces I tunes for music but can you drop other files on there without having to install any software on the PC or does it needs some app to drag files around?

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        June 30, 2007 1:46 PM

        You can't do that at all with the iPhone. You can ONLY see the phone through iTunes and the actual Sync process between the iPhone and iTunes is SSL encrypted. You cannot see anything that is going on. It will only sync between your outlook and itunes.

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          June 30, 2007 1:47 PM

          There's no disk mode in the options?

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          June 30, 2007 1:52 PM

          I don't get it when connect it Vista sees it also with a popup with windows explorer. You can't transfer files using vista?

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          June 30, 2007 5:43 PM

          So you are telling me it is not possible to transfer a file like a photoshop.psd file over to the iphone?

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      June 30, 2007 1:50 PM

      iPhone Owning Menz

      Can you customize the home screen? Say if i didn't want the "Stocks" button, can i get rid of that? or re-organize the icons at all?

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        June 30, 2007 1:57 PM

        Why would you want to get rid of one of the buttons? It isn't like the other 11 would get bigger if you got rid of one?

        Also, why would you need to re-arrange them? They are all equally accessible.

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          June 30, 2007 2:04 PM

          maybe i dont want the stocks button on the home screen, ti's something i'd never use. I'm not asking it to make the other larger..

          I like to re-arrange icons to my liking, it's a pet peeve. And also if i can get rid of one, it would leave room for possibly adding a shortcut to other apps I might use down the road when web-apps start to flourish on this thing..

          calm down man, just a simple question..

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            June 30, 2007 2:08 PM

            I'm perfectly calm. It would just look stupid having 11 icons on the home screen is all.

            You can't put shortcuts for web apps on the home screen, so being able to get rid of things on the screen is useless.

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            June 30, 2007 2:23 PM

            Don't want the stocks button, what?

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        June 30, 2007 2:00 PM

        No

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        June 30, 2007 2:03 PM

        Yeah there's a video on Apples site somewhere that shows all the options you have on an iPhone. It runs about 20 minutes and one feature they showed was how you can switch icons around to customize how you want it.

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        June 30, 2007 2:08 PM

        You should watch this it goes over pretty much all the options.

        http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiphone/guidedtour_large.html

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        June 30, 2007 4:21 PM

        You got a job yet?

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      June 30, 2007 1:54 PM

      im sitting in my favorite pizza joint, just doing some coding, and just about everyone in the place has stopped me to check out the iPhone... its sorta crazy. this guy on the street stopped his whole family so they could check it out. i showed him a quick demo and he goes "you sold me, im getting one" and i was like "er.. ok.. lol"

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      June 30, 2007 1:55 PM

      How do I bring over all my contacts off of my old centennial wireless phone to my new iPhone??

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        June 30, 2007 1:57 PM

        I had my old nokia update windows contacts for me so when I synced all my contacts came over with pictures and all

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          June 30, 2007 2:07 PM

          is there a program to do this with motorolla phones? I hate doing the pen & paper thing...

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      June 30, 2007 2:19 PM

      Seriously, I hate you guys. All this love is seriously making me want one now, even though it's on my most hated carrier ever. It's so hard not to go down to the Apple store and toss one on the old credit card. Especially since their online checker shows all stores in CA still have them in stock.

      Argh resist resist resist!

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        June 30, 2007 2:25 PM

        Yesterday, 7pm at The Grove I was in and out in 15 minutes. I'm sure you could just walk right in and get one right this second.

        DO IT >:)

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          June 30, 2007 2:39 PM

          You're evil. omg I want to...

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        June 30, 2007 2:26 PM

        resistance is futile. just do it.

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        June 30, 2007 2:34 PM

        well, i mean, you could always sit and wait for it on 3g, 5g, whatever, but ... i mean.. yeah, ATT sucks, but if you want the shizzle, then.... well...

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          June 30, 2007 2:42 PM

          Well I had Cingular for 4-5 months a few years ago and it was so bad I broke contract and switched to Verizon. I've heard enough people say they're happy with them though to make me think that maybe it was just the Treo's I was trying that had issues. I refused to pay the ETF though so I'm curious if they'd even let me get get an account again haha.

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        June 30, 2007 3:59 PM

        This is the first gadget that I haven't had buyer's remorse on. Not even a little. go get one

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          June 30, 2007 4:09 PM

          ok so now i shall steal your Atom and your iphone.

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            June 30, 2007 4:26 PM

            Already integrated it with the car

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      June 30, 2007 4:31 PM

      freakin awesome. love it.

      edge is surprisingly not bad. not 3g.. but given how much better the browser is compared to any other phone i easily take that trade off.

      also, videos.. holy shit.

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      June 30, 2007 4:50 PM

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        June 30, 2007 5:19 PM

        I'm in the same boat as you, but I am not sure. I think it would have to sell out nationwide for AAPL to skyrocket on monday. But at least those who bought it loved it, so it should have some killer word of mouth.

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          June 30, 2007 6:24 PM

          AAPL didn't skyrocket when the ipod launched. Hell APPL was at 20 bucks when the ipod launched. Give it time man, it'll pay off :) When I saw the masses of people playing with it at the apple store here, and more importantly when I got my hands on the iphone, I realized that this is as revoluationary as the ipod was, and it will show in time.

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          June 30, 2007 6:30 PM

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        June 30, 2007 9:37 PM

        Base it on performance, not events. Come January, anyone holding Apple will be very happy. I've said it many times but people should be buying Jan 08 call options on AAPL. Risky, sure, but I think it is fair. My $125 calls will be worth double if AAPL hits $140. I think this is entirely possible considering how Apple has beaten quarterly estimates for a while now (very impressive considering how closely watched that company is).

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          June 30, 2007 9:40 PM

          I meant $145. Either way I think this is a pretty safe bet for something that risky.

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      June 30, 2007 5:29 PM

      How do I change my phones "location"? It is still saying some city in california (im in texas) when i go to the weather button or the clock.

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        June 30, 2007 6:03 PM

        click the little "i" icon on the bottom right of the app.

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      June 30, 2007 6:05 PM

      Has anyone tried hooking their iPhone up to any of the iPod accessories?

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      June 30, 2007 6:26 PM

      The YouTube on the iPhone is watered down, right? It's just the featured and most watched videos... you can't search all of YouTube, correct?

      I figured this was the case, and when I was in the AT&T store earlier when I searched for my band's video on there it just came up with some featured crap, but their display models were kind of fucked up after so much abuse it seemed, so I didn't know if it was just a caching problem or if it is, in fact, watered down gayboy YouTube as I suspected.

      Verdict?

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        June 30, 2007 6:30 PM

        As has been said many places (if you look) the YouTube service is done through h264 instead of flash. This means that YouTube is in the process of converting the entire video catalog to h264. I am pretty sure featured stuff gets priority during the initial phase, but I am pretty sure everything will be available in the next few months.

        So you can search for anything, but if it's not been converted yet, it won't find it.

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          June 30, 2007 6:33 PM

          I see. Interesting.

          That says a lot about Apple's power at this point... their little phone doesn't support flash, so the mighty YouTube converts their entire fucking library just to support one device?

          The future is now.

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            June 30, 2007 6:38 PM

            Replace Apple's power with Google's power and you are on the right track. The reality is that Google bought YouTube and Google is one of the supporting companies of H264. Apple's part in H264 isn't a huge as people may think, it's an MPEG4 standard, not an Apple standard.

            So this is how it works: Apple uses H264 in all their products, knowing the power of using a standard format. Later, Google buys YouTube. Sometime after that, Apple approaches Google and comes up with a partnership on a way of using YouTube on the AppleTV and iPhone. The process just so happens to fit in well with Google's plans to use H264 for YouTube (it scales a million times better) and so they work things out and Apple gets a pretty sweet deal out of it. The end result is, everyone gets YouTube on their Apple products, and YouTube gets higher quality video on their website.

            Win-Win for everyone really.

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              June 30, 2007 9:43 PM

              Interesting. Will the h.246 videos still run within the flash player? I hope so, that is a huge reason why internet video has become so popular. The player is tiny and very OS and browser compatable compared to WMP or Quicktime.

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                June 30, 2007 10:14 PM

                Yes, they simply use flash to play the h264. I am not sure of the details, but it is quite doable.

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            June 30, 2007 9:32 PM

            or, google saw it as an opportunity to push their brand onto the screen of the hottest new device in years, and honestly, its not shit to transcode a bunch of videos, ESPECIALLY if you have nothing but MILES of server farms.

            yeah, I work with video, and i definitely noticed the youtube content was of a higher quality than normal.

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        June 30, 2007 6:31 PM

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        June 30, 2007 9:38 PM

        I'm pretty sure there is search.

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          June 30, 2007 9:44 PM

          There is search, although my favorites aren't all there yet. Soon!

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        June 30, 2007 9:45 PM

        My only issue is that I can't use my bookmarks from my Youtube account. I have to re-bookmark the stuff I have that I really like. Hopefully they add a way to tie in your Youtube web account to the iPhone Youtube player at some point.

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      June 30, 2007 7:24 PM

      What type of videos does the iphone support?? Im trying to transfer some porn onto my iphone and it aint lettin me. >:(

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      June 30, 2007 9:37 PM

      when i plug in my iPhone into its dock... adobe photoshop launches. wtf.

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        June 30, 2007 10:01 PM

        hahahahahah.............. me too :(

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      June 30, 2007 10:19 PM

      These New Super Mario Brothers wallpapers also make great iPhone wallpapers when zoomed in on Mario's face:

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