Evening Reading

So after evaluating that iPhone thingie some more I'm pretty darn sure that I would happily own one. My only real concern is using the keyboard on the touch screen but I guess thats a wait and see kinda thing. The AppleTV is also cute although I wish it came in closer to $200.

- Dell wants you!
- Big TV
- BR/HDDVD backers not happy with hybrids
- Pillars of creation

Lastly, buzz around the latest crop of US concept cars. Hopefully its not flies circling poop!

Steve Gibson is the cofounder of Shacknews.com. Originally known as sCary's Quakeholio back in 1996, Steve is now President of Gearbox Publishing after selling Shacknews to GameFly in 2009.

Filed Under
From The Chatty
  • reply
    January 9, 2007 6:00 PM

    I want an iPhone but only if Steve Jobs gives me wake up calls every morning.

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 6:02 PM

      you mispelled..ahh too easy


    • reply
      January 9, 2007 6:04 PM

      [deleted]

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 6:08 PM

        It only has one button for sleep-smacking justice!

    • Ebu legacy 10 years legacy 20 years
      reply
      January 9, 2007 6:15 PM

      Ok, yea, after spending 5 minutes at the iPhone website drooling, yes, I very much want one. <3

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 6:16 PM

        I just wish they hadn't shacked up with Cingular. The price point is a little high too, but I didn't expect much less. I just think Cingular was a bad choice. :(

        Here's to hoping some of those features trickle down to the iPod line sometime soon...

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 6:19 PM

          Cingular's the company I'll switch to if I switch anyway, so that's actually kind of nice from my perspective. Other choices would have irritated me though.

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 6:24 PM

          I've only had bad experiences with Cingular, and EDGE is slow. Not to mention reception is really spotty around here, but looks like I'll have to go back :( I wish they would've done a CDMA model on Sprint, their EDGE is amazingly fast.

        • Ebu legacy 10 years legacy 20 years
          reply
          January 9, 2007 6:59 PM

          I already use Cingular.

          Woo!

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:00 PM

          i'm just waiting to see if cingular will cripple this phone at all, and how hard it will be to get it unlocked..

          • Ebu legacy 10 years legacy 20 years
            reply
            January 9, 2007 7:04 PM

            What? Cingular took steps at Apple's request to enable the phone's features.

            What would they cripple? I've been very happy with Cingular and see no reason to think they'd mess this up.

            It's like a checklist. A checklist of awesome!

          • reply
            January 9, 2007 7:04 PM

            what do you mean? What Apple showed today is what we will get in June.

        • reply
          January 10, 2007 3:14 AM

          Why is Cingular any worse than any other provider?

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 6:17 PM

        It looks so good. I have been skeptical of the whole smartphone thing so far, because they just don't do enough to justify the additional size and cost. But with the iPhone being basically a pocket computer... and the potential of complex custom development given it runs OS X... I'm sold. Being able to GMail, GMaps, GTalk, and the web anywhere would be sweet.

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 6:26 PM

          And it only costs as much as a ps3

          • reply
            January 9, 2007 6:27 PM

            Most smart phones are expensive, and the damn thing is definitely more powerful than the others (I mean Christ, it's running OS X). I've always wanted to go back to a Smartphone, and to merge my MP3 player with it (but keep good functionality), so I'm really happy. I just wish it had an SD slot.

        • reply
          January 10, 2007 12:42 AM

          exactly. alot of ppl want the power of a smart phone but are afraid it might be too complicated to use and dont want a clumsy uncool looking hugeass keyboard monstrosity. this phone they can have it all...at a PRICE bwahahhaha

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 12:55 AM

            I'm not sure what kind of PPC/Phone/Personal Browser hybrids that have 4-8gigs in storage you've been using, but most of these devices EASILY range in the $400-500 dollar range, hell most current blackberries fall within that range...

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 4:56 AM

              they aren't that much with a contract, the ipod phone is still $599 with contract

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 6:59 PM

        it looks pretty huge.

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:00 PM

          It's bigger than an iPod but thinner than a RAZR.

          • reply
            January 9, 2007 7:04 PM

            yeah now that i look at the measurements it's not bad.

            it just looks big in that hand on the front page - you'd think they find someone with fucking mammoth hands to take these promo shots

          • reply
            January 9, 2007 7:05 PM

            wtf! thinner than a razr!? thats crazily awesome.

            • reply
              January 9, 2007 7:08 PM

              Yeah, the RAZR is 13.9mm while this thing is 11.6mm.

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:03 PM

          It'll fit........

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:09 PM

          Size comparison:

          http://www.kottke.org/07/01/the-apple-iphone

          • reply
            January 9, 2007 7:15 PM

            wrong link?

            • reply
              January 9, 2007 7:17 PM

              nope... just me. connection here sucks

              • reply
                January 9, 2007 7:18 PM

                It's being linked tons, so I think the server's strained too.

                • reply
                  January 9, 2007 7:19 PM

                  poor kottke. btw, that guy's blog is outstanding, it's on my daily reading list.

                  • reply
                    January 9, 2007 7:21 PM

                    His remaindered links are easily the best on the web.

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 12:35 AM

            ok, thats pretty damn big. Especially the width bothers me

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 2:03 AM

              that's what your mom said to me last night

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 7:06 PM

        I'm probably gonna wait 'til Gen 2 comes out. 6 GB/8 GB is not enough. NOT ENOUGH!

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 6:30 PM

      update: still fapping.

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 6:44 PM

      [deleted]

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 7:06 PM

      DUDES THE BATTERY LIFE IS TERRIBLE : (

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 7:07 PM

        yeah... 5 hours talk/video/browsing... 16 hours music... that's TERRIBLE and UNHEARD OF

      • reply
        January 10, 2007 12:39 AM

        That's ridiculous - 5 hours talk time is fine. 16 hours audio playback, 5 hours video ? Sheesh. WTF do people expect from a portable device that's running OS X and using wifi and blah blah blah?

        • reply
          January 10, 2007 12:45 AM

          That's probably runing minimum features in power saving mode. I'd like to see it playing music for 16 hours with wifi engaged. Though, you probably won't be doing anything that would involve talking on the phone + listening to music or watching video at the same time.

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 12:45 AM

            in the keynote it was listed as 5 hours talking, watching movies or surfing the web, 16 hours listening to music in the slides.

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 12:50 AM

            first, lets see you do it on your PPC, then we will comapre.

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 1:29 AM

            Apple's record on the battery life of their ipod products is actually very good. I don't know what the point of having "16 hours of audio with wifi", or whatever it was you were curious about, but I fully expect to get 5 hours of use out of it, if that is what they are claiming (or 16 hours of audio, etc).

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 7:11 PM

      Battery is being reported as NON removable/replaceable by the user, yay :/ Also http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/macworld2007/gizmodo-iphone-handson-i-called-my-mommy-227582.php has a pretty decent handson, sounds like they like it.

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 7:19 PM

        non removable batteries is how they keep these things tiny.

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 7:20 PM

        * No 3G. We know you know, but still, it hurts man.
        * No over the air iTunes Store downloads or WiFi syncing to your host machine.
        * No expandable memory.
        * No removable battery.
        * No Exchange or Office support.

        http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/the-iphone-is-not-a-smartphone/

        that sorta sucks when in perspective.

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:21 PM

          Yeah outlook syncing would be nice

          • reply
            January 9, 2007 7:23 PM

            That's _almost_ a deal breaker for me. Assuming this comes out in Oz anyway. I bet they team up with telstra :(

            • reply
              January 9, 2007 7:32 PM

              Man what a piece of shit that would be.

            • reply
              January 9, 2007 7:43 PM

              when i travel next year (oz being one of the places) ill have to stop by and say hello. we'll have a mini shackmeet.

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 4:41 AM

              It will be 2008 at the earliest that it comes out in Australia so it's best to forget about it for now. Hell, by the time it does hit Australian shores they'll probably have the second revision. I work at an Apple Reseller and spent all day trying to explain this to people. People were still insisting that we let them pre-order the iPhones even though we may not even be able to sell them (if it's contract only like in the US they'll have to go to phone retailers).

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:22 PM

          [deleted]

        • reply
          January 9, 2007 7:26 PM

          seems odd after letting all the previous iPods sync with Outlook for contacts.

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 12:38 AM

            yeah, I'm wondering if the support goes as far as they do, but no further, thus making it not 'full support', at which point they wouldn't make a noise out of it?

        • reply
          January 10, 2007 1:43 AM

          Jobs did specifically say that "3G and all that stuff is coming in the future" though.
          My suspicion is that the model they sell in Europe and Asia might be a 3G model.

          Also - imagine the "iPhone mini" in 2009, which is 1/2 the size and more analagous to a nano + phone....

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 3:01 AM

            3g has been "coming in the future" for like eight years.

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 3:06 AM

              I, for one, have a 3G signal where I'm sitting.

              If I hold the phone above my head and wave a plucked fresh chicken around with my other hand.

              • reply
                January 10, 2007 3:13 AM

                heh. didn't they just wind up destroying the whole concept anyway? i mean, really, the third generation has been released -- it's just that it's actual capabilities were so far below the expected capabilities that they tried to call it something different.

                i want this crap rated on transfer rates or some other certain, objective unit of measure. the whole generational numbering scheme is just total idiocy invented by marketroids for drop-out journalists and isn't suitable for any real thought.

                • reply
                  January 10, 2007 4:26 AM

                  I was under the impression that the generational numbering scheme was created by the ITU and is ratified, and each ITU generation has an equviliant IEEE generation (i.e., 4G = Beyond3G for IEEE). 3G does have specific up and down bandwidth requirements IIRC.

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 4:23 AM

              so far ive had the following 3G phones, nec e606, lg 8110 moto e1000, se z800i moto v3x .

              the future is 3 years old yo

              • reply
                January 10, 2007 4:35 AM

                Hasn't everyone basically had 3G systems forever? Verizon and Sprint have EV-DO networks in the US, which is 3G speed.

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 4:44 AM

              maybe where you live! :)

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 4:19 AM

            [deleted]

            • reply
              January 10, 2007 4:25 AM

              actually, yeah, that surprised me, I was expecting to see Jobs fire up a three way video-chat with Ive and Schiller.

              my W900i has video calling.. but it's something stupid like 35p/minute off peak, 50p minute peak rate.. so it's completely unused.

        • reply
          January 10, 2007 3:30 AM

          Biggest deal is no 3rd party software. WTF? That is one of the things that draws me to a smartphone. Not sending email on a tiny screen that will spent 30 minutes downloading all my spam and be useless to me, for all the best intentions, but being able to get a wide range of software, like maps and journey planners for the city I'm in or the city I'm visiting, useful tools like special calculators or guides, interesting games from a wide range of authors (on Symbian UIQ many being free).

          Clearly it's a win for Apple, and in their tradition, if they can keep all of this proprietary but, apart from being able to supply a small number of games through partners like they have with the iPod, I don't think Apple on their own, or with a handful of partners, will be enough to match the software you can get for UIQ or Windows Mobile.

          (Series 60 has a lot of software too but as far as I can tell it's almost all awful and overpriced. I was really disappointed when I moved from a UIQ smartphone to Series 60, which also has a fucking awful UI that Nokia need to kill already. Never buying Nokia ever again.)

          • reply
            January 10, 2007 3:45 AM

            the "no 3rd party" is just one person speculating, it's not confirmed AFAIK

      • reply
        January 9, 2007 7:49 PM

        i've never replaced the battery on my phone. by the time it starts losing its charge i'm due for a new phone anyways.

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 7:39 PM

      [deleted]

    • reply
      January 9, 2007 7:47 PM

      the only reason i wont get it is because ill drop it 30 times and the screen will break on the first one :[

Hello, Meet Lola