WWDC: iMac Pro Offers AMD Vega GPUs, Up to 128GB of ECC Memory
All the iMac Pro's teraflops and ECC memory can be yours in December for $4999.
Apple announced updates for all of its Mac computers at today's WWDC, but carved out time to showcase its upgraded iMac Pro, which will launch in December.
The iMac Pro delivers up to 22 teraflops of computation, ideal for machine-learning capabilities. You'll be able to deck it out with up to 128GB of ECC memory (twice the maximum allowance in the standard 27-inch iMac) and up to 4TB of SSD storage that reads and writes data at up to 3GBs per second. Additionally, you'll get high-performance input/output as well as built-in, 10-gigabit Internet.
The price starts at $4999 and will be available beginning in December.
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That's nuts. Wonder if they're trying to get back into the server arena or just future proofing?
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Have doubts Apple will get back into server stuff: you need to support both hardware and software to be in that game. Look at where Apple is making money and their "server" and "enterprise" line was a pittance. Lots of Mac shops run heavily with cloud services and/or MS' AD -- there isn't any need to run OSX Server for anything.
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Agreed, but that's a lot of (traditionally) server level hardware in the Mac Pro, makes me wonder if someone over there is thinking about it.
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Again Apple continues to treat there Desktop line like there phones. What Happens when I spend 5k on a desktop that is Completely and utterly non expandable? Apples answer 'Buy the newer one 2 years later for 5k"
Unbelievable. we waste so many resources making tech like this. I've been asking apple for years to just give us a Desktop we can expand INTERNALLY! Miss the mark yet again.
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What one part of Apple asks the community doesn't always translate to the other part of Apple acting on it. It's such a huge complex organism these days where the brain isn't sure what the kidneys are doing.
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A classic example was when Steve Jobs introduced Bungie tunning on a Mac showing off the Halo before they ended up on Xbox.
It was a great showcase for gaming on macs and definitely drew in the gaming crowd. But Jobs didn't give a shit about gamers or promoting macs to in that role. In the end Bungie was barely solvent and Apple didnt do anything by raise their profile from which MSFT showed up with money. Rest is history.
IIRC, the Halo demo was kind of shoehorned in at the last minute. They talked about it better in the Bungie documentary I saw years back. They were so innocent back then haha.
Now they are forced to make Halo-esque games and had a falling out with Marty O'Donnell.-
I'm not sure how instructive 16 year old examples of Apple are, especially in the context of org wide communication and coordination. Apple's scale now is completely unlike that era.
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It's more that Apple is big enough to think of everything, but those higher won't give it another thought. Especially those at the top who don't have any experience in the areas people want them to improve in.
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no one (person or org or company) can think of everything, that's the entire premise of our capitalist system.
They fucked up on their pro dev market. They're taking forever to fix it because Apple insists on perfection (for good and bad).
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Isn't thunderbolt dead? I've only ever seen it on mac. I went through ADCP, Fire Wire 400, fire Wire 800. And honestly USB/HDMI eventually won out. So I'm a bit skeptical about thunderbolt being the "Future"
I also worry about the lack of support apple gives it's "Older" Machines. How many years will the 5k PC work well on Mac Os, before they only optimize the new OS for the latest and greatest?
Sorry, I'm not trying to rant. i really want to like apple again, But they really stabbed me in the back years ago, gonna take awhile to gain back trust.-
It's port compatible with USB-C IIRC, so I wouldn't call it dead just yet.
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Yeah, finding devices that support full Thunderbolt 3 is going to be tough (although possible, especially if thunderbolt GPUs become a thing, also storage and daisy chained displays).
https://thunderbolttechnology.net/tech/faq
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Apple has used more interfaces than ANYONE, yes. Apple has also spent more time than even SONY with their proprietary ports.
Thunderbolt is different: physically USB-C, backed by Intel. The same USB-C on Dells are the same thing on Macs. Want to use an external GPU enclosure on your Mac and PC? One cable does it all.
I fully agree with your lamenting/ranting about Apple pivoting on their physical ports, but TB3 is really where their future is: fast enough I/O for external GPU displays, flash storage, and connectable to PCs.-
I get that. I mean With tech you have to do experimentation and such and I commend them for that. But this sounds exactly like that ADCP port they made many years ago to compete with DVI. Does anyone remember that? I think it was Called ADCP or maybe AGCP. But eventfully DVI won out, and all those expensive Mac Desktops that had 1 Video Port on there GFX card now needed a 200$ converter to work with Newer monitors. I would know, i had to buy one.
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The bigger problem is a lot of devices are just developed for USB-C 3.1 instead of full on Thunderbolt 3 because it's compatible with a lot more. The other end of that spectrum is the bigger problem at the moment (particularly when you go beyond storage and displays).
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Just makes the expensive thunderbolt ports less likely to be added to all but top end devices. You need active/active in order to get full support and that's not cheap.
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My midrange'ish Z170 board with a Skylake has a USB-C port with thunderbolt functionality on it, it's slowly creeping in all over the place.
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That's what we heard with the Mac Pro launch years ago...
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This is a work station. It's meant for corporate life cycle of four to five years. Work stations like that don't get upgraded. They get replaced when the lease ends.
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What 3D House or Post house is going to use this in a business environment? and if not them, why would any business, Retails, Accounting or otherwise spend 5k for a Desktop that's going to crunch emails and google cal appointments?
Maybe a college/School environment, But 5k per machine is an insane amount of money for a Public School to drop on an apple product. -
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I just don't understand who their target audience is. A Hardcore PC Gamer or 3D Artist I don't think would ever spend 5k on a "All in One" PC. which is what the iMac is. A laptop, maybe. for sure. But an All in One?
They do realize that the new generation is pretty poor compared to the boomer gen?-
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Seriously - why would they want a non-upgradeable workstation? Makes no sense.
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it's so they can funnel die hard fans to upgrade by buying yet another, 5k workstations 2-3 years from now.
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Mostly RAM, storage and GPUs.
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Yeah, those enclosures are ridiculous in price and by the time your first external upgrade is due for a change there's going to be a newer system and the enclosure irrelevant until the next upgrade and by then, all new tech to replace it.
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I don't know where you've seen that? Thunderbolt 3 and similar external GPU setups can be _very_ performant.
hell, I know someone with an alienware X51 and one of their "Graphics amplifier" things, which they've put a Titan XP in and that machine is very much quick. -
They're janky as fuck, and hella expensive, even on the PC side.
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The monitor, you know, that thing that's now welded to your computer. So now when your monitor goes on the fritz you need to rma your entire machine, barf.
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GPU rendering has become a mainstay at this point and is a distinct reality in vfx and animation especially for contractors who can't afford to pay for cloud or a large render farm. You'd be hard pressed to find guys involved in illustration, motion graphics or just the commercial world in general that aren't rendering on a gpu.
The fact that GPU's are far outpacing cpu's in performance gains every year means constantly upgrading your video card. The performance difference between a 980 and a 1080 is massive and would make a huge difference to a guy rendering off frames on his machine at night. -
GPU rendering matters in After Effects.
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Gamers of any sort avoid Macs, their Pro model is a non issue.
Who uses iMac's that want that sort of hardware? Plenty of AV production work are dying to get their hands on this iMac Pro. The trashcan Mac is very outdated with both CPU/GPU/disk, no production shop in their right mind would buy one. iMac Pro represents a huge upgrade over current iMacs: way more CPU, memory, disk, GPU ... AND it's more expandable.
Remember: buying a Mac isn't just about hardware, it's heavily about workflow and ecosystem that goes along with it.-
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It's expandable... in theory. It was supposed to happen with the pro, and it didn't. I know, because we have one. :/
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the same people who always bought Mac Pros before
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is there a problem with targeting a lucrative, niche demographic with particular needs/desires that differ from the masses?
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but why? You don't need this compute power so if you want the form factor you can get the regular iMac. If you do need the power then you can get this or wait for the full Mac Pro refresh that Apple already teased, or you can go with a Windows workstation, same as always.
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how price sensitive are people already considering a $3k+ all in one? (like a Surface Studio that goes up to $4.2k).
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how much does $800 matter to someone who can think about spending $4-5k on a computer based in part on its design/looks?
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Honestly i've been around the block a few time. I only know 1 person who uses mac in a business/Studio environment and he's like a HARDKORE (with a K that's how hardcore he is) Mac Fanboy. And designed his whole studio around The Trash Can Mac Pro.
5k for a All in One seems like a "look how big my dick is" sort of thing. I mean I get PC people do it too. But those PC people would never spent 5k on a All In One Desktop, let alone a Apple Desktop.
I feel this machine is for people like my Dad, someone who likes macs and just wants the best regardless of the cost or what they're doing with it.
I feel this is another miss, and a sad attempt to Target weeathly Baby boomers who don't know any better, but hey, they love mac, so why not?
Kind of sad really.-
I feel this machine is for people like my Dad, someone who likes macs and just wants the best regardless of the cost or what they're doing with it.
eh, the iMac is for him, not this. Was your dad buying the spaceship Mac Pro instead of the iMac before?-
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Then I honestly don't know who this machine is for.
Too Expensive for College kids or high school kids.
Youtubers already have a beast machine to game on so they won't need this.
Any Business in 3d or otherwise will most likely has a render farm of some type.
Maybe its for that one guy who "Just can't enough of Mac" but honestly i feel Apple's alienated so many of its creative community base, I'm surprised anyone is left or loyal for that matter.
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This feels like a band aid to try and stop their pro market from completely dissolving.
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