Xbox One not backwards compatible with 360 games
The Xbox One won't play existing Xbox 360 games, according to Xbox Live corporate VP Marc Whitten.
The Xbox One won't play existing Xbox 360 games, according to Xbox Live corporate VP Marc Whitten. The hardware architecture is too different, so you'll have to keep your current system plugged in to play the current generation of games.
"The system is based on a different core architecture, so back-compat doesn't really work from that perspective," Whitten told The Verge. This is due to the transition to x86 architecture, similar to the reason the PlayStation 4 won't run PlayStation 3 games natively. That puts both of the next-gen consoles in the same boat.
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The Xbox One won't play existing Xbox 360 games, according to Xbox Live corporate VP Marc Whitten.-
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there's nothing stopping Activision from making a next gen Skylanders game that still uses the old figures.
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and? welcome to new consoles
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Honestly, most of the kids who loved Skylanders will have moved on in a year, maybe two. They're toys, and kids out-grow their toys FAST.
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comparing apples and oranges
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he is also comparing ecosystems, so yes.
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Yeah cause every PC game can easily be played without any hoops to just through to get working on a new system. Hell getting a lot of games working when they first came out was a pain in the ass then also.
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Fair enough. But the amount of people looking for it drops drastically after the first year, maybe two. How many people on here went through the headache just to play System Shock 2 before it got re-released on GOG and now Steam? That number shrinks year after year.
BC is great and all but it is not something that they need to go out of their way to put it in given that for a vast majority of the people it makes no difference. The time that it does they are still going to have their old systems or if enough time has past it would be taken care of by emulation.
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I like oranges more than apples. Holy shit, I just compared them!
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He means the game from 1998. :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_(video_game)
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IIRC when wasteland 2 is getting released they are releasing one digitally.
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I assume you've been investing in the PC instead of consoles forever then. Because that's pretty much always how this shit has worked.
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I know, I know. I was just expecting some sort of backwards compatibility due to the rumor from a couple of months back (the whole 360 hardware on a SOC deal).
As many comments have stated, the One is HUGE looking and I don't want to have to switch between consoles in order to clear my backlog of games.
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That's a ridiculous statement. I have a gaming backlog for my 360. Considering that most places would normally offer me a discount to trade in my 360 to get the One, I'm stuck either paying full price for the One or trading in my 360 and all the games. I would have much preferred the ability to play my current 360 games on the One so I could buy it as soon as it came out and play both my old games and buy new ones.
I guess that I'll just stick with current generation consoles until my gaming backlog has gone!-
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Look, you either have interest in playing these games, or you do not. What you are somehow implying and refusing to admit is that just playing these old games on new hardware holds a separate interest for you. If you would just say this you'd get some kind of acknowledgement, and even agreement from me. Most of the XBox games that the 360 was compatible with were enhanced at least by way of resolution. So that would be a nice plus with newer hardware if it were to have compatibility at all. But, you can't realistically expect much more than that, and the gap for resolution enhancement with respect to 360->One is not going to be anything like the improvement we saw from XBox->360. It would be great to have, but "the people have spoken," and they spake by not buying more XBox games and by hardly playing any of them either once the 360 was available. Sure, plenty of people give good lip service to the better classics, but they can see just what games you're playing when you connect, they easily know better than you or I how many or few folks were taking advantage of this with the 360.
As much as you would like it, or even pay a premium for it, you're a small minority.-
you make some good points, but I think you and many replies have invested far more energy than necessary.
I'm not going to buy the system, I have access to better hardware, better backwards compatibility, a more varied indie community and I don't care for the exclusives that will find themselves on the X-Box One.
Any game that I would care to play on the X-Box One will find itself on the PC and I'll be able to run it with better controls and more screens, since backwards compatibility was a feature I wanted, I'll stick with my 360 for those games.
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I think you're missing my point. I'm not interested in the One solely because of the backwards compatibility but the lack of backwards compatibility is an issue for me because I have a lot of 360 games that I'm still trying to finish. As was mentioned in another thread, anyone who bought a lot of Rock Band 3 DLC (me!) is also screwed because the One won't play RB3. That makes me annoyed because I was able to play Xbox games on my 360 after downloading a patch for them, why am I not getting the same benefits for the One?
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lol
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Yeah, it was so elaborate and detailed that it sounded true. I wonder where that came from? Maybe it was a plan they had which was scrapped? The thing they talked about with the console having multiple OS's almost sounds something like it. That article said something about the 360 System on a chip would manage a seperate OS than what the games run on. So... maybe it was running that way at one time but they moved beyond it?
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Yeah, agreed. I don't care about the disc based games but all of my downloadable games being unplayable on the next console is pretty frustrating.
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Wasn't Spelunky originally a PC game?
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Yeah but with a lot less features
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It won't play Xbox 360 games, but it will play all Xbox one games on it.
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how much are you going to get for a 360 anyway, $50? just keep it around for the few times you want to play some old shit.
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Between this and the inability to rent games, it will probably be a long time before I buy into any of these new consoles. :-/
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well there goes any chance I'll buy any other game for my 360 ever. I have a ton of XBLA.
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Are PSN games now going to work on PS4 as well? They both are abandoning their current system architectures.
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The only hope for the future consoles may be an Onlive type setup where you can stream games for BC. I think Nintendo has understood the importance of cross compatibility the most over the years and even they fuck it up and can't get it right. It's spotty at best for consoles when it comes to being able to play past content. The good thing (so far) has been if you do get an itch to show your kids an SNES with LTTP, you can go to ebay or a game store and buy that exact console hardware and cartridge to relive the game that way it was originally conceived.
I see a benefit in everything moving to a digital only platform, but the lack of companies and certain consumers caring if the content carries over even one generation and the whole no used games at all idea just doesn't sit right at all from a long term perspective. I would like to know in 20 years, we can buy the XBOX One, PS4, or Wii U and still be able to enjoy some of the games that were only made for that system and never carried over.
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there's nothing special about downloadable games. They're not immune to the same BC problems as a game on a disc. They were programmed for a particular CPU architecture, the architecture changes, they don't run anymore.
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If they were programmed for a different CPU architecture? No, you can't. That's how computer architecture works.
You could spend time re-engineering the game for a different architecture (aka porting) or you could hope someone else creates a general purpose or per title/engine emulation layer (like what the 360 did for BC), or you could hope the new hardware with a different CPU architecture simply includes the old architecture on the board (as the launch PS3 units did for BC). These all have different cost and performance hits, and the solution is again not unique at all to the fact that the game is downloadable. Full retail games on the PS3 and 360 are downloadable now for example. There's no difference at all in how they're affected by an architecture change unless they happened to have been programmed in an architecture agnostic way (which generally means using a higher level framework with a larger performance hit than native code).
You can't just run it though.-
Yeah, but you can emulate almost anything can't you? Just simulate processes in software and then translate the outputs to the new hardware? I'm not saying it's easy, but isn't it almost always possible to emulate a lesser powerful device inside a more powerful one? I really don't know, but I thought it worked that way.
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Emulation takes a lot of resources. It's unlikely the Xbox One cpu has enough power to sufficiently emulate the Xbox 360.
To put it in perspective, there's a SNES emulator that emulates the old SNES properly instead of using all sorts of hacks and shortcuts that break many games and require patched roms. This emulator needs a 3 GHz quad core cpu to run smoothly.
Now, there are obviously much less processing-hungry emulators out there, but it's very telling that we need current high-end hardware to emulate a computer that's almost 20 years old without resorting to dirty tricks. -
Look at the hardware requirements for a Wii or PS2 emulator on the PC. Notice the lack of PS3 or 360 emulation on PC.
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yeah, it's crazy. But even if it was technically possible it'd still be a lot of hard engineering work for what gain exactly? Sony removed BC from their last console and saw the backlash over that (minimal), while MS went to a significant effort to port some important Xbox content to the 360 and has an idea of how much that ended up getting used.
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Well in terms of the life cycle of a console and the health of the company creating it, "most people's" opinion is quite a bit more important than just yours.
Otherwise what was the purpose of posting your opinion if it wasn't related to the console we are talking about?
And about your other comment, I agree, most people would not try to steal a laptop from work. I don't see how that relates to Microsoft, or Xbox or either of our statements, but very well said. Bravo.-
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The one thing I can say about backward compatibility is that it could have forced me to buy the Xbox first (instead of the PS4). I eventually probably want to have both, but if I can't play my 360 games on it, I have no real push to go with the Xbox One first. It might just come down to what games are out on day one.
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People who are done with most of the old 360 games a year after the launch of One either spent a crazy amount of time playing games, or they missed out on a ton of good titles.
Either way, for the future - I think it is kinda sad that 'new gamers' won't be able to play the old stuff (you probably won't see many buying a 360 after the launch of One if they didn't own one already). You can say the same problem was there with older consoles - but in this HD era, it did seem like the perfect chance to merge two generations...
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There's always so much new stuff, that I've never found myself wishing I could go back and replay something I've already played/finished. It'd be a nice bullet point, but it should come as no surprise that with a complete architecture change that cross compatibility is out. It'd have to have one beast of a processor to emulate a completely different CPU/chipset.
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I think it's unfortunate. Not a deal-breaker, but unfortunate.
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Very unfortunate, but yea - I guess it is just a matter of having a backup 360 (or two) around.
My main concern is more about all the digital only purchases (Games on Demand + XBLA) I have made on the 360. Not being playable on the Xbox One does not help in terms of securing their future 'safety'.
I really hope they have a data plan in the works. Eventually the support for old purchases will be dropped.
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So what are those 15k serversin the CLOUUUUUUUUD for?
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it'll probably be used for stuff similar to what dark souls is doing with their games. the mmo but not really mmo aspect.
or maybe what bungie is doing with destiny-
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oh man what if it was 1 big minecraft server with everyone on it. wouldnt that be INSANE
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Yeah, hardware build quality in general has gone down. My nephew was playing the NES that my sister and I had in the early 1990's. Hard drives die, and the 360 has some other longevity problems (aside from Jasper and the Slim models, but I don't imagine those lasting over 5 years on average).
No transition plan for digital-only titles is a dick move. Even more embarrassing that Microsoft could've acquired OnLive, but didn't, and Sony put Gaikai to use for legacy game streaming.
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This is one thing I don't give a shit about. People get really tied up on it but you I realized I never played my older games. Its just not a big deal. I"ll keep my 360.
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People really got pissy about it last consoles too. How many times are you going to be like "FUCK MAN I JUST NEED TO PLAY HALO ODST!!!"
As fucking lame and horrible as it is, the bottom line is old games get traded or put away and I'm so fucking lazy I'd rather rebuy them in a new digital form.-
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Ha, exactly. Steel Battalion: Heavy Armor on the Xbox 360 was pretty terrible due to how mediocre the first-gen Kinect was. I was hoping I'd have the chance to try it again with the Kinect improvements on the new Xbox platform... guess not.
And maybe I'm in the minority here, but I'm always revisiting my old games - ever few months I play through Halo Reach, ODST again, etc, I don't just throw away my old games when I'm done with them. I'll be keeping my old console around just for this reason, but I'm still disappointed at the lack of backwards compatibility.
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Yeah that's a total nonissue for me too. It always seems like something ill do. I don't.
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Yep. I sold all my games to GameStop. Not a single fuck given.. I got so much money back I can buy the new console now. GameStop made a killing on me but I ain't mad at all. I got the Wii U and a 500 dollar gift card for the new Xbox or ps3 by trading in my library of games id never play again.
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Zero fucks given. I have my Xbox 360 to play Xbox 360 games. Whats the problem.
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Yeah, but 5-6 consoles take up a lot more space than 3-4...and its a pain to keep all t he stuff hooked up.
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I don't play ps1 games or n64 games anymore. Why do I need 6 consoles hooked up?
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Gamers will waste their money on next new console controller. That's pretty lame and Microsoft smells more money.
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In that case I'm in no rush to get an XBox One...I'll eventually get one, but its not going to be like last gen where I actively tried to get one fairly early on. I don't have room for both right now...once I get more room I might get one but right now I've got too much invested in the 360 both in terms of physical games and XBLA stuff. The PS3 I at least didn't have a lot of stuff for so I don't feel as bad about dropping it for a PS4...but even there I'm not sure if I'll be looking to get the new system early on.
In all honesty I've not touched either the 360 or the PS3 in half a year...so I'd probably be better off just playing things on my PC until I can justify buying a PS4 or XBO.-
I'd add that with B/C I'd probably try to get one right when it came out because there's be no reason not to if I could manage a pre-order...I'm not limited by the idea of spending money on gaming...gaming is worth my money; I *am* limited in terms of space right now and I'm not ready to toss out all my 360 games.
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Nintendo 3DS and WiiU and the first gen PS3 were backwards compatible, so the question is valid.
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Yeah I actually bought a first gen PS3 for the B/C...I knew they were phasing them out so I went out and bought one before that happened because I wanted hardware B/C.
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That was also a big part of my picking up the WiiU...it was a replacement for my Wii...not something that would take up additional space.
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Hahaha,sums it up well. TVTVTVTVSPORTSSPORTSCALLOFDUTYCALLOFDUTY.
It's the Brah Box.
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is a software emulator to much to ask for M$? i know it wouldn't work with all games, however it would keep most of the people bitching about it happy.
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